WHY THE LORD'S DAY IS NOT SUNDAY

BobRyan · Aug 25, 2020

Lost4words said:
What the Early Church Believed: Sabbath or Sunday?

"Some religious organizations (Seventh-day Adventists, Seventh-Day Baptists, and certain others) claim that Christians must not worship on Sunday but on Saturday, the Jewish Sabbath. They claim that, at some unnamed time after the apostolic age, the Church “changed” the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday.

interesting quote (even if it is still not a Bible text saying "week-day-1 is the Lord's Day")

from that same link What the Early Church Believed: Sabbath or Sunday? we have this

"However, passages of Scripture such as Acts 20:7, 1 Corinthians 16:2, Colossians 2:16-17, and Revelation 1:10 indicate that, even during New Testament times, the Sabbath is no longer binding and that Christians are to worship on the Lord’s day, Sunday, instead."

"indicate that" ... (and then what follows is what their doctrine "needs" to have been found as a text in scripture... but is not found in scripture) " the Sabbath is no longer binding and that Christians are to worship on the Lord’s day, Sunday, instead." --- that is the 'missing text' so they simply tell you what they wish they had found in scripture using the words 'indicates' rather than "states in chapter x and verse y"

Some more interesting quotes on a similar note

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''The [Roman Catholic] Church changed the observance of the Sabbath to Sunday by right of the divine, infallible authority given to her by her founder, Jesus Christ. The Protestant claiming the Bible to be the only guide of faith, has no warrant for observing Sunday. In this matter the Seventh-day Adventist is the only consistent Protestant.'' The Catholic Universe Bulletin, August 14, 1942, p. 4.

"Perhaps the boldest thing, the most revolutionary change the Church ever did, happened in the first century. The holy day, the Sabbath, was changed from Saturday to Sunday. "The Day of the Lord" (dies Dominica) was chosen, not from any directions noted in the Scriptures, but from the Church's sense of its own power. The day of resurrection, the day of Pentecost, fifty days later, came on the first day of the week. So this would be the new Sabbath. People who think that the Scriptures should be the sole authority, should logically become 7th Day Adventists, and keep Saturday holy." Sentinel, Pastor's page, Saint Catherine Catholic Church, Algonac, Michigan, May 21, 1995

“If Protestants would follow the Bible, they would worship God on the Sabbath Day. In keeping the Sunday they are following a law of the Catholic Church.” Albert Smith, Chancellor of the Archdiocese of Baltimore, replying for the Cardinal, in a letter dated February 10, 1920.

“Tradition, not Scripture, is the rock on which the church of Jesus Christ is built.” Adrien Nampon, Catholic Doctrine as Defined by the Council of Trent, p. 157

"The Pope is of so great authority and power that he can modify, explain, or interpret even divine law". The pope can modify divine law, since his power is not of man, but of God, and he acts a vicegerent of God upon earth" Lucius Ferraris, Prompta Bibliotheca, art. Papa, II, Vol. VI, p. 29.

"When St. Paul repudiated the works of the law, he was not thinking of the Ten Commandments, which are as unchangeable as God Himself is, which God could not change and still remain the infinitely holy God."-Our Sunday Visitor, Oct. 7, I951.

"If we consulted the Bible only, we should still have to keep holy the Sabbath Day, that is, Saturday, with the Jews, instead of Sunday; ..." -- A Course in Religion for Catholic High Schools and Academies, by Rev. John Laux M.A., Benzinger Brothers, 1936 edition, Part 1.

"Sunday is a Catholic institution, and... can be defended only on Catholic principles.... From beginning to end of Scripture there is not a single passage that warrants the transfer of weekly public worship from the last day of the week to the first." Catholic Press, Aug. 25, 1900

''Reason and sense demand the acceptance of one or the other of these alternatives: either Protestantism and the keeping holy of Saturday, or Catholicity and the keeping holy of Sunday. Compromise is impossible.'' John Cardinal Gibbons, The Catholic Mirror, December 23, 1893.

=========================
“The Faith Explained” by Leo J. Trese
The Catholic Commentary on the Baltimore Catechism post Vatican II
1965 -- first published 1959
(from "The Faith Explained" page 243

"we know that in the O.T it was the seventh day of the week - the Sabbath day- which was observed as the Lord's day. that was the law as God gave it...'remember to keep holy the Sabbath day.. the early Christian church determined as the Lord's day the first day of the week. That the church had the right to make such a law is evident...

"The reason for changing the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday lies in the fact that to the Christian church the first day of the week had been made double holy...

“nothing is said in the bible about the change of the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday..tha is why we find so illogical the attitude of many non-Catholics who say they will believe nothing unless they can find it in the bible and yet will continue to keep Sunday as the Lord's day on the say-so of the Catholic church”

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Root of Jesse · Aug 25, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
Sure it does. JESUS says that the Sabbath was made for all mankind in MARK 2:27. The Sabbath was made in creation for mankind in GENESIS 2:1-3 (Adam and Eve). God commands us in the 4th commandments to Remember the Sabbath day to keep it as a Holy day of rest as a memorial of creation and God as the creator of heaven and earth. *EXODUS 20:8-11.

A day of rest as a memorial of creation is not the same as worship. As I said above, absolutely, if the Sabbath is your worship day, go for it. I worship God every day. I keep a quiet Saturday, and worship the Lord on His day. Sunday.

Root of Jesse · Aug 25, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
That is not a command to go and keep Sunday as a Holy day and abolish God's 4th commandments is it Jesse?

Who abolished anything? Why do you think you can only worship God on Saturday?

Root of Jesse · Aug 25, 2020

Root of Jesse said:
But why must there be such a text? Why does "Sabbath" have to equal "The Lord's Day"?

Mt 28:1 After the sabbath, as the first day of the week was dawning,* Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb.; Mk 16:2 Very early when the sun had risen, on the first day of the week, they came to the tomb.; Lk 24:1 But at daybreak on the first day of the week they took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb.; Jn 20:1 On the first day of the week, Mary of Magdala came to the tomb early in the morning, while it was still dark, and saw the stone removed from the tomb.

From the Catechism:
II. THE LORD'S DAY
This is the day which the LORD has made; let us rejoice and be glad in it.103
The day of the Resurrection: the new creation

2174 Jesus rose from the dead "on the first day of the week." Because it is the "first day," the day of Christ's Resurrection recalls the first creation. Because it is the "eighth day" following the sabbath, it symbolizes the new creation ushered in by Christ's Resurrection. For Christians it has become the first of all days, the first of all feasts, the Lord's Day (he kuriake hemera, dies dominica) Sunday:
We all gather on the day of the sun, for it is the first day [after the Jewish sabbath, but also the first day] when God, separating matter from darkness, made the world; and on this same day Jesus Christ our Savior rose from the dead.
Sunday - fulfillment of the sabbath

2175 Sunday is expressly distinguished from the sabbath which it follows chronologically every week; for Christians its ceremonial observance replaces that of the sabbath. In Christ's Passover, Sunday fulfills the spiritual truth of the Jewish sabbath and announces man's eternal rest in God. For worship under the Law prepared for the mystery of Christ, and what was done there prefigured some aspects of Christ:
Those who lived according to the old order of things have come to a new hope, no longer keeping the sabbath, but the Lord's Day, in which our life is blessed by him and by his death.
2176 The celebration of Sunday observes the moral commandment inscribed by nature in the human heart to render to God an outward, visible, public, and regular worship "as a sign of his universal beneficence to all." Sunday worship fulfills the moral command of the Old Covenant, taking up its rhythm and spirit in the weekly celebration of the Creator and Redeemer of his people.

I want to point out that, in each of the gospels, the women and apostles came to the tomb. As we do, when we celebrate Mass. We come to the tomb, and discover that He is Risen. Not just on Easter.

BobRyan · Aug 25, 2020

Root of Jesse said:
A day of rest as a memorial of creation is not the same as worship. .

Is 66:23 - it is a day of worship for all mankind
Lev 23:2-3 it is a day of worship, holy convocation

Acts 13 both Jews and gentiles gather for worship on the Sabbath and the gentiles after hearing the gospel ask that the gospel be presented again "the next Sabbath" so that they can have all their family and friends hear it.

Acts 18:4 both Jews and gentiles hearing the gospel each Sabbath as they gather for worship... "every Sabbath".

Shows that the Sabbath commandment has a lot to do with worship.

And there are a few groups that do not worship on Saturday that also admit to this obvious fact.

hence #261

and of course
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I am glad these groups all affirm all ten of the Ten Commandments for Christians.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.

LoveGodsWord · Aug 25, 2020

Root of Jesse said:
A day of rest as a memorial of creation is not the same as worship. As I said above, absolutely, if the Sabbath is your worship day, go for it. I worship God every day. I keep a quiet Saturday, and worship the Lord on His day. Sunday.

Sure it is Jesse. God's Sabbath has always been a day of worship for God's people all through time. We should worship God everyday, but God's 4th commandment according to the scriptures is a "Holy day" or rest from work that God "blessed" and "set apart" from all the other days of the week that he made for all mankind and has made a holy day which he commands His people to "remember" to keep as a holy day of rest from all work and business and shopping and domestic duties. There is no scripture saying Gods day is Sunday. This is not biblical according to the scriptures and God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that according to the scriptures give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken. God is calling us out from following man-made teachings and traditions back to the pure Word of God.

LoveGodsWord · Aug 25, 2020

Root of Jesse said:
Who abolished anything? Why do you think you can only worship God on Saturday?

As posted earlier we should worship God everyday. It has never been about not worshiping God everyday. Read God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments in Exodus 20:8-11. What do you think it says? It is about obedience and disobedience. No one worships God by not doing what God says and breaking God's commandments according to the scriptures in *Matthew 15:3-9.

Root of Jesse · Aug 25, 2020

BobRyan said:
Is 66:23 - it is a day of worship for all mankind

To be fair, this says what I've been saying all along. We worship God every day. From new moon to new moon, from sabbath to sabbath.

Lev 23:2-3 it is a day of worship, holy convocation

Actually only says that you shall do no work on the sabbath.

Acts 13 both Jews and gentiles gather for worship on the Sabbath and the gentiles after hearing the gospel ask that the gospel be presented again "the next Sabbath" so that they can have all their family and friends hear it.

Paul was going around making converts, mostly of Jews. Where would Jews gather the most? On the Sabbath.

Acts 18:4 both Jews and gentiles hearing the gospel each Sabbath as they gather for worship... "every Sabbath".

Again, Paul was going to where the fruit was to be harvested.

Shows that the Sabbath commandment has a lot to do with worship.

And there are a few groups that do not worship on Saturday that also admit to this obvious fact.

hence #261

and of course
===================

I am glad these groups all affirm all ten of the Ten Commandments for Christians.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.

Root of Jesse · Aug 25, 2020

BobRyan said:
interesting quote (even if it is still not a Bible text saying "week-day-1 is the Lord's Day")

from that same link we have this

"However, passages of Scripture such as Acts 20:7, 1 Corinthians 16:2, Colossians 2:16-17, and Revelation 1:10 indicate that, even during New Testament times, the Sabbath is no longer binding and that Christians are to worship on the Lord’s day, Sunday, instead."

"indicate that" ... (and then what follows is what their doctrine "needs" to have been found as a text in scripture... but is not found in scripture) " the Sabbath is no longer binding and that Christians are to worship on the Lord’s day, Sunday, instead." --- that is the 'missing text' so they simply tell you what they wish they had found in scripture using the words 'indicates' rather than "states in chapter x and verse y"

Some more interesting quotes on a similar note

================================

''The [Roman Catholic] Church changed the observance of the Sabbath to Sunday by right of the divine, infallible authority given to her by her founder, Jesus Christ. The Protestant claiming the Bible to be the only guide of faith, has no warrant for observing Sunday. In this matter the Seventh-day Adventist is the only consistent Protestant.'' The Catholic Universe Bulletin, August 14, 1942, p. 4.

This doesn't say that Adventists are right, just that they are the most consistent.

"Perhaps the boldest thing, the most revolutionary change the Church ever did, happened in the first century. The holy day, the Sabbath, was changed from Saturday to Sunday. "The Day of the Lord" (dies Dominica) was chosen, not from any directions noted in the Scriptures, but from the Church's sense of its own power. The day of resurrection, the day of Pentecost, fifty days later, came on the first day of the week. So this would be the new Sabbath. People who think that the Scriptures should be the sole authority, should logically become 7th Day Adventists, and keep Saturday holy." Sentinel, Pastor's page, Saint Catherine Catholic Church, Algonac, Michigan, May 21, 1995

So now you think pastors' opinions are infallible? I don't. Except that he knows the reason why we worship the Lord on Sunday.

“If Protestants would follow the Bible, they would worship God on the Sabbath Day. In keeping the Sunday they are following a law of the Catholic Church.” Albert Smith, Chancellor of the Archdiocese of Baltimore, replying for the Cardinal, in a letter dated February 10, 1920.

“Tradition, not Scripture, is the rock on which the church of Jesus Christ is built.” Adrien Nampon, Catholic Doctrine as Defined by the Council of Trent, p. 157

This is right on. Tradition and Scripture and the Magisterium is the rock on which the Church is built.

"The Pope is of so great authority and power that he can modify, explain, or interpret even divine law". The pope can modify divine law, since his power is not of man, but of God, and he acts a vicegerent of God upon earth" Lucius Ferraris, Prompta Bibliotheca, art. Papa, II, Vol. VI, p. 29.

Note that the editor wrote after the quotation. So it's an opinion. Which edition of the work is it?

"When St. Paul repudiated the works of the law, he was not thinking of the Ten Commandments, which are as unchangeable as God Himself is, which God could not change and still remain the infinitely holy God."-Our Sunday Visitor, Oct. 7, I951.

This is true, but it really doesn't say that we must worship on the Sabbath. It says to keep the Sabbath holy, and that we must worship God with all our heart.

"If we consulted the Bible only, we should still have to keep holy the Sabbath Day, that is, Saturday, with the Jews, instead of Sunday; ..." -- A Course in Religion for Catholic High Schools and Academies, by Rev. John Laux M.A., Benzinger Brothers, 1936 edition, Part 1.

You haven't figured out yet that we are a Church of Tradition AND Scripture, Bob?

"Sunday is a Catholic institution, and... can be defended only on Catholic principles.... From beginning to end of Scripture there is not a single passage that warrants the transfer of weekly public worship from the last day of the week to the first." Catholic Press, Aug. 25, 1900

Although we know why we worship the Lord on Sunday. It's because we visit the empty tomb each time we attend Mass.

''Reason and sense demand the acceptance of one or the other of these alternatives: either Protestantism and the keeping holy of Saturday, or Catholicity and the keeping holy of Sunday. Compromise is impossible.'' John Cardinal Gibbons, The Catholic Mirror, December 23, 1893.

True. Of course, most Protestant denominations derive from Catholicism, so you can see why.

=========================
“The Faith Explained” by Leo J. Trese
The Catholic Commentary on the Baltimore Catechism post Vatican II
1965 -- first published 1959
(from "The Faith Explained" page 243

"we know that in the O.T it was the seventh day of the week - the Sabbath day- which was observed as the Lord's day. that was the law as God gave it...'remember to keep holy the Sabbath day.. the early Christian church determined as the Lord's day the first day of the week. That the church had the right to make such a law is evident...

"The reason for changing the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday lies in the fact that to the Christian church the first day of the week had been made double holy...

“nothing is said in the bible about the change of the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday..tha is why we find so illogical the attitude of many non-Catholics who say they will believe nothing unless they can find it in the bible and yet will continue to keep Sunday as the Lord's day on the say-so of the Catholic church”

==============================

Who claims that it must be Biblical in order to be practiced?

BobRyan · Aug 26, 2020

BobRyan said: ↑
Is 66:23 - it is a day of worship for all mankind

TWO distinct cycles in Isaiah 66:23 for that New Earth condition. One on a monthly cycle "from New Moon to New Moon" and the other on a weekly one "from Sabbath to Sabbath". Both cycles are mentioned

Root of Jesse said:
To be fair, this says what I've been saying all along. We worship God every day. .

nope.

Root of Jesse · Aug 26, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
Sure it is Jesse. God's Sabbath has always been a day of worship for God's people all through time. We should worship God everyday, but God's 4th commandment according to the scriptures is a "Holy day" or rest from work that God "blessed" and "set apart" from all the other days of the week that he made for all mankind and has made a holy day which he commands His people to "remember" to keep as a holy day of rest from all work and business and shopping and domestic duties. There is no scripture saying Gods day is Sunday. This is not biblical according to the scriptures and God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that according to the scriptures give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken. God is calling us out from following man-made teachings and traditions back to the pure Word of God.

But it doesn't say which day that has to be. Keeping a day holy isn't necessarily holding worship services, but worship services can be keeping a day holy.
We worship Jesus on the day we found the empty tomb. Plain and simple. If you have a problem with it, do it your way. Oh, you'll say it's not your way, it's what God commanded. We read that commandment differently. And did since the beginning of the church.
It isn't the pure Word of God, it is your interpretation of what the Bible says. We don't limit God's Word to just the Bible. God speaks to us in different ways, one of which is the Bible.

Root of Jesse · Aug 26, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
As posted earlier we should worship God everyday. It has never been about not worshiping God everyday. Read God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments in Exodus 20:8-11. What do you think it says? It is about obedience and disobedience. No one worships God by not doing what God says and breaking God's commandments according to the scriptures in *Matthew 15:3-9.

The fourth commandment is Honor your father and mother. The commandment to keep the Sabbath holy doesn't say what you think it says. The Sabbath is a day of rest because God rested on the Sabbath. If you want to say that constitutes worship, that's your definition, but I think it's following God's law. Again, we worship the discovery of the empty tomb on Sunday, the day of the week it was found to be empty and the stone rolled away. This does not supplant the Sabbath rest.

BobRyan · Aug 26, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
God's Sabbath has always been a day of worship for God's people all through time. We should worship God everyday, but God's 4th commandment according to the scriptures is a "Holy day"

Root of Jesse said:
But it doesn't say which day that has to be.

oh really???

"The seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD (YHWH)" Ex 20:10 ...

And of course Jesus was resurrected "on the first day of the week".

So ... yeah... it does say "Which day"

were we simply not supposed to notice?

BobRyan · Aug 26, 2020

BobRyan said:
Acts 13 both Jews and gentiles gather for worship on the Sabbath and the gentiles after hearing the gospel ask that the gospel be presented again "the next Sabbath" so that they can have all their family and friends hear it.

Acts 18:4 both Jews and gentiles hearing the gospel each Sabbath as they gather for worship... "every Sabbath".

Shows that the Sabbath commandment has a lot to do with worship.

Root of Jesse said:
Paul was going around making converts, mostly of Jews. Where would Jews gather the most? On the Sabbath.

The text does not simply say "Paul went to the Synagogue to try and reach some Jews with the gospel Sabbath after Sabbath" -- it says that those who heard and accepted the Gospel "asked for it to be preached again NEXT Sabbath" -- and it says it is NOT the Jews asking for that -- but the believing gentiles asking for more gospel "the next Sabbath".

What is more those gentiles (and Jews) were hearing the Gospel "every Sabbath" Acts 18:4

BobRyan · Aug 26, 2020

Root of Jesse said:
The fourth commandment is Honor your father and mother. .

Not according to those whose' traditions/authors wrote that Ex 20 text.

BobRyan · Aug 26, 2020

BobRyan said:
interesting quote (even if it is still not a Bible text saying "week-day-1 is the Lord's Day")

from that same link What the Early Church Believed: Sabbath or Sunday? we have this

"However, passages of Scripture such as Acts 20:7, 1 Corinthians 16:2, Colossians 2:16-17, and Revelation 1:10 indicate that, even during New Testament times, the Sabbath is no longer binding and that Christians are to worship on the Lord’s day, Sunday, instead."

"indicate that" ... (and then what follows is what their doctrine "needs" to have been found as a text in scripture... but is not found in scripture) " the Sabbath is no longer binding and that Christians are to worship on the Lord’s day, Sunday, instead." --- that is the 'missing text' so they simply tell you what they wish they had found in scripture using the words 'indicates' rather than "states in chapter x and verse y"

Some more interesting quotes on a similar note

================================

''The [Roman Catholic] Church changed the observance of the Sabbath to Sunday by right of the divine, infallible authority given to her by her founder, Jesus Christ. The Protestant claiming the Bible to be the only guide of faith, has no warrant for observing Sunday. In this matter the Seventh-day Adventist is the only consistent Protestant.'' The Catholic Universe Bulletin, August 14, 1942, p. 4.

"Perhaps the boldest thing, the most revolutionary change the Church ever did, happened in the first century. The holy day, the Sabbath, was changed from Saturday to Sunday. "The Day of the Lord" (dies Dominica) was chosen, not from any directions noted in the Scriptures, but from the Church's sense of its own power. The day of resurrection, the day of Pentecost, fifty days later, came on the first day of the week. So this would be the new Sabbath. People who think that the Scriptures should be the sole authority, should logically become 7th Day Adventists, and keep Saturday holy." Sentinel, Pastor's page, Saint Catherine Catholic Church, Algonac, Michigan, May 21, 1995

“If Protestants would follow the Bible, they would worship God on the Sabbath Day. In keeping the Sunday they are following a law of the Catholic Church.” Albert Smith, Chancellor of the Archdiocese of Baltimore, replying for the Cardinal, in a letter dated February 10, 1920.

“Tradition, not Scripture, is the rock on which the church of Jesus Christ is built.” Adrien Nampon, Catholic Doctrine as Defined by the Council of Trent, p. 157

"The Pope is of so great authority and power that he can modify, explain, or interpret even divine law". The pope can modify divine law, since his power is not of man, but of God, and he acts a vicegerent of God upon earth" Lucius Ferraris, Prompta Bibliotheca, art. Papa, II, Vol. VI, p. 29.

"When St. Paul repudiated the works of the law, he was not thinking of the Ten Commandments, which are as unchangeable as God Himself is, which God could not change and still remain the infinitely holy God."-Our Sunday Visitor, Oct. 7, I951.

"If we consulted the Bible only, we should still have to keep holy the Sabbath Day, that is, Saturday, with the Jews, instead of Sunday; ..." -- A Course in Religion for Catholic High Schools and Academies, by Rev. John Laux M.A., Benzinger Brothers, 1936 edition, Part 1.

"Sunday is a Catholic institution, and... can be defended only on Catholic principles.... From beginning to end of Scripture there is not a single passage that warrants the transfer of weekly public worship from the last day of the week to the first." Catholic Press, Aug. 25, 1900

''Reason and sense demand the acceptance of one or the other of these alternatives: either Protestantism and the keeping holy of Saturday, or Catholicity and the keeping holy of Sunday. Compromise is impossible.'' John Cardinal Gibbons, The Catholic Mirror, December 23, 1893.

=========================
“The Faith Explained” by Leo J. Trese
The Catholic Commentary on the Baltimore Catechism post Vatican II
1965 -- first published 1959
(from "The Faith Explained" page 243

"we know that in the O.T it was the seventh day of the week - the Sabbath day- which was observed as the Lord's day. that was the law as God gave it...'remember to keep holy the Sabbath day.. the early Christian church determined as the Lord's day the first day of the week. That the church had the right to make such a law is evident...

"The reason for changing the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday lies in the fact that to the Christian church the first day of the week had been made double holy...

“nothing is said in the bible about the change of the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday..tha is why we find so illogical the attitude of many non-Catholics who say they will believe nothing unless they can find it in the bible and yet will continue to keep Sunday as the Lord's day on the say-so of the Catholic church”

==============================

so then regarding the first two quotes in the above quote --

''The [Roman Catholic] Church changed the observance of the Sabbath to Sunday by right of the divine, infallible authority given to her by her founder, Jesus Christ. The Protestant claiming the Bible to be the only guide of faith, has no warrant for observing Sunday. In this matter the Seventh-day Adventist is the only consistent Protestant.'' The Catholic Universe Bulletin, August 14, 1942, p. 4.

"Perhaps the boldest thing, the most revolutionary change the Church ever did, happened in the first century. The holy day, the Sabbath, was changed from Saturday to Sunday. "The Day of the Lord" (dies Dominica) was chosen, not from any directions noted in the Scriptures, but from the Church's sense of its own power. The day of resurrection, the day of Pentecost, fifty days later, came on the first day of the week. So this would be the new Sabbath. People who think that the Scriptures should be the sole authority, should logically become 7th Day Adventists, and keep Saturday holy." Sentinel, Pastor's page, Saint Catherine Catholic Church, Algonac, Michigan, May 21, 1995

Root of Jesse said:
This doesn't say that Adventists are right, just that they are the most consistent.

Far be it from me to say that the leaders of any other denomination make it their practice to tell everyone that the right denomination ... is some other one.

But in the case you reference above they DO qualify their endorsement of the Adventist POV as being specific to the idea of "sola scriptura" and those who would claim to use that model to validate all doctrine regarding the Lord's Day - or the Sabbath.

Root of Jesse · Aug 26, 2020

BobRyan said:
oh really???

"The seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD (YHWH)" Ex 20:10 ...

And of course Jesus was resurrected "on the first day of the week".

So ... yeah... it does say "Which day"

were we simply not supposed to notice?

Yes, really. We haven't taken the Sabbath away, and yes, it's the seventh day. It doesn't say we are to worship on the Sabbath, though that's when the Jews do worship. It says the seventh day is the day the Lord rested, not the seventh day is the day we're required to worship. We rest on the seventh day because the Lord gave us that day to rest.
FWIW, I can understand worshiping on the day we rested, because we're busy working on the other six days. But that's not what the Scripture says, literally.
As for Christians worshiping on the day in Scripture that the Lord's tomb was found empty, considering it says nearly the same thing in all four Gospels, I can understand why we worship Jesus on Sunday.

Root of Jesse · Aug 26, 2020

BobRyan said:
The text does not simply say "Paul went to the Synagogue to try and reach some Jews with the gospel Sabbath after Sabbath" -- it says that those who heard and accepted the Gospel "asked for it to be preached again NEXT Sabbath" -- and it says it is NOT the Jews asking for that -- but the believing gentiles asking for more gospel "the next Sabbath".

What is more those gentiles (and Jews) were hearing the Gospel "every Sabbath" Acts 18:4

Right. Because that was the day the Jews worshiped. I don't think it would have done any good to go on Sunday, the place would be empty.
Also, I'd like to point out that Jesus showed up in the upper room on Sunday, the Sunday after His resurrection, and the Sunday following.
Look, there is plenty of reason for us worshiping on Sunday. If you want to worship on Saturday, nobody's trying to stop you or say you're wrong (unlike your attempt to say we're wrong to worship on Sunday). Nobody has said to stop keeping the Sabbath. But I wonder, why would we want to follow what the Jews were doing? First they assisted in getting Jesus killed, and after the Resurrection, they constantly made trouble for the Christians still in Israel, murdering Christians and ratting to the Romans. Oh, and then the 'Council of Jamnia'.

Root of Jesse · Aug 26, 2020

BobRyan said:
so then regarding the first two quotes in the above quote --

''The [Roman Catholic] Church changed the observance of the Sabbath to Sunday by right of the divine, infallible authority given to her by her founder, Jesus Christ. The Protestant claiming the Bible to be the only guide of faith, has no warrant for observing Sunday. In this matter the Seventh-day Adventist is the only consistent Protestant.'' The Catholic Universe Bulletin, August 14, 1942, p. 4.

"Perhaps the boldest thing, the most revolutionary change the Church ever did, happened in the first century. The holy day, the Sabbath, was changed from Saturday to Sunday. "The Day of the Lord" (dies Dominica) was chosen, not from any directions noted in the Scriptures, but from the Church's sense of its own power. The day of resurrection, the day of Pentecost, fifty days later, came on the first day of the week. So this would be the new Sabbath. People who think that the Scriptures should be the sole authority, should logically become 7th Day Adventists, and keep Saturday holy." Sentinel, Pastor's page, Saint Catherine Catholic Church, Algonac, Michigan, May 21, 1995

Far be it from me to say that the leaders of any other denomination make it their practice to tell everyone that the right denomination ... is some other one.

But in the case you reference above they DO qualify their endorsement of the Adventist POV as being specific to the idea of "sola scriptura" and those who would claim to use that model to validate all doctrine regarding the Lord's Day - or the Sabbath.

Right. But the Catholic Church doesn't subscribe to sola scritura.

BobRyan · Aug 27, 2020

Root of Jesse said:
Right. But the Catholic Church doesn't subscribe to sola scritura.

Yeah I think that is their point. They believe the sola scriptura group is exposed on this one topic.

WHY THE LORD'S DAY IS NOT SUNDAY

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