I thought you might see what we were alluding to.
The context surrounding 3:19 in Romans would dictate that εν τω νομω should be understood that the Jews were interested, that their main focus was the Law. The fact that the clause is in the Dative Case would allow for the following translation.
Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are IN TO the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Interestingly Paul uses the phrase "υπο νομον", under Law in Romans twice in chapter 6.
Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Re-translating the text may not be of much help given that in context Rom 3:23 says "all have sinned" not "just Jews have sinned". The point of Rom 3 was to lump both Gentiles and Jews together as all needing salvation for all have sinned and all are condemned as sinners "under the Law"
The clause "under the Law" or "in to the Law" is being said in respect to the Jews not the gentiles.
The Gentiles knew not the Law. So whatsoever the Law saith (speaketh), it saith to to them who are in to the Law, those to whom have made it their main focus.
Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Couple that with what the following verses state. That they retest (rest upon) in the Law. And know and approve the things most excellent, being instructed out of the law. Being Confident guides, lights to those in darkness. Instructors of the foolish, and teachers of babes. Having been committed, entrusted the oracles of God.
Rom 2:17 Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God,
Rom 2:18 And knowest his will, and approvest the things that are more excellent, being instructed out of the law;
Rom 2:19 And art confident that thou thyself art a guide of the blind, a light of them which are in darkness,
Rom 2:20 An instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, which hast the form of knowledge and of the truth in the law.
Rom 3:1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
The Greek word for "under" is ὑπό. It is pronounced hupo.
Paul just used it in a previous verse . He said,
"What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all UNDER sin. Rom 3:9
Why would he not just use the word hupo; which means under, if that is what he meant? IT MAKES NO SENSE. Especially considering Paul does use the phrase "υπο νομον", under Law later in chapter 6.
Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
and in Romans 1 Paul tells us that even pagans with no bible at all - are aware that they have sinned - they are condemned because sin is transgression of law whether they read that law or not.
That was posted on in the following quote. Nice to see you see it too!
Forgot one....
Rom 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another.
Now don't forget they, the Gentiles are going to be judged by what you say is the entire Pentateuch. Keep in mind that verse 14 is being said in context to the previous verses. How do we know? Because it starts with the word for. This means what follows is the reasoning for what what was previous stated. In other words, why the gentiles could be judged by a law they had not physically received as the Jews had.
Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Incidentally how do you think these verse from chapter one connect to verse 14?
Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
The law defines what sin is -
Never said anything different. Have a nice Sabbath BobRyan. Keep on in the Ministry brother. His Word through His Love is power.
