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Say what? I've never heard that before. They didn't need much shielding for the Apollo trips because they were going faster than the mars rocket would have to go? Is that what you're saying? (Is that what they're saying now?)
No, not what I was saying... It isn't the speed that causes the issue. Mars is at a distance orders of magnitude greater than the Moon is. Astronauts will spend 6 to 9 months in transit to get to Mars despite reaching speeds higher than that achieved by the Apollo missions. Exposure to the radiation of space for that long will have a detrimental effect on their health.
Why would the mars rocket have to be going slower? More payload or something? Is that even a factor in space? How fast was the Apollo rockets going through space? Has someone created time and exposure charts relative to speeds and distances involved in traversing the VA belts?
Sorry brother for all the questions but I'm trying to understand exactly what you're saying and wrap my mind around this to see how believable it is, so links to where you got this notion would be appreciated.
Like I said, not necessarily slower, just vastly longer distance to travel. Surely you're not seriously telling me you don't know this?
 
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Is that so? Hmmm. What's Africa got to do with this? Lol. No the questions which popped up in my mind as I checked this out are, how do they know which areas of the VA belts have higher and lower levels of radiation? Have they mapped out the VA belts and did sensor surveys of the whole belt system? (I highly doubt it).

They did, though.

Basically, they were mapped by firing several probes through them (Explorer 4, Pioneer 3 and Luna 1) and having them sent their readings back to earth. Their mapping was not completes, and in fact in 2012 another, third belt was discovered, but the vague mapping they did was deemed sufficient because nasa REALLY wanted to shoot a guy on the moon before the soviets did.

So the astronauts that flew through it and were still exposed to harmful levels of radiation...and in fact made quite a few trips through it repeatedly on different moon missions...and most of them astronauts are still alive. Old men now. To be clear, that's what you're saying? They did do it, repeated trips through harmful levels of radiation, took the risk...and they're not dying off with various cancers

https://spacemath.gsfc.nasa.gov/earth/3Page7.pdf

They didn't get enough harmfull radiation for any severe symptoms to develop.

So I feel they're lying about that. They'd be dead. Or if the (quote) harmful levels (unquote) of radiation are so low that multiple trips through it can easily be made with no adverse effects...then I submit that it wouldn't be an issue at all.

It don't take much radiation to kill somebody. Even if it may take time because it will come out as cancer somewhere. I don't think I've heard of the astronauts are dying off from cancer.No offense brother, but this is sounding pretty thin to me. . Neil Armstrong didn't make just one trip, lol. That ol' dude is lookin good. Too good to have gone through what you suggested.
I think you're buried far too deep in your own cognitive bias and conspiracy theories to be argued with. Everything that endangers your fortified worldview is dismissed out of hand or blamed on the evil, evil NASA lying because they want to keep their big budget and/or fight god because.. evil?
 
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I answered you inside of your quote like I did Jimmy's. What is in bold is me.

The coffee is good tonight! Lol.
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Please don't respond that way, it makes it much harder to address your points. I ask that you do the normal format.
 
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Well not spelled out it doesn't, but the logical conclusion is just screaming it. If we really can not traverse the van allen belts yet, then that has to mean that they lied in 1969 about going. If so then what else have they lied about? Since the fish in the pan is, Is God & the Bible true, or is it just man here alone...then everything gets compared to scripture to see if it fits in with what scripture says. There's a real spiritual war going on and the enemy hides God and lies about God.

So if scripture says that God created the Earth and he put a "Firmament" above earth. A...glass dome so to speak. That we can't get out of by ourselves. This sounds suspiciously like the Van Allen belts to me. Why else would they lie? If we can't get to space, they're still huge motivation for them to lie about it because NASA's "budget" is something like 18 Billion dollars per year. Then all they really have to do is to create their own "space videos" on photoshop or whatever and show the people NASA's doing it!

I've seen a lot of those they faked the moon landing videos, and at first I laughed at those "idiots". But they have brought up a few real good points which makes a man think, whoa, maybe. Like no blast crater under the Lunar landing module or no stars in the moon pictures. It doesn't make sense that you can't see the stars. But why would they have to hide the stars? That sounds stupid. Eventually, I think I figured it out.

People have a suspicious nature and always try to catch the government lying about something, and people are noticing new things all the time...if someone got ahold of a picture of space and the earth from the moon, it could be dated and then checked against star charts to see if the stars in the background are in the right places for that date...and they're moving all the time, lol! That would make it soo hard for NASA to keep up with always having to check and make sure they had all their stars in a row so to speak...It's a lot easier for them to fake photos and videos that don't have to be made from scratch every time, and a lot cheaper for them now, that they don't have to. Just wash out the stars and say you can't see them from the moon blah blah blah. All these little points and incongruities in the issue and NASA's "product" all seem to add up to 2+ 2=4, or...if we really can't get to the moon or mars, then the Bible is true, which means there IS a firmament up there. That would make it a closed system brother.

I didn't believe it before but over the years I have been paying attention and thinking about it. Over time, the new stuff coming out all seems to give support to the notion that they really did fake it. You may not believe it right now brother, but pay attention and see for yourself if it adds up to 2+2=4 for you too. They keep putting their foot in their mouth, like this guy from NASA saying that our astronauts would die trying to fly through the van allen belts. Whoops, they slipped and told the truth! These small issues like this create circumstantial evidence that God is real and He did create this world (as per thread topic, lol)

You clearly don't understand what 'closed system' means as per the Laws of Thermodynamics.
 
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No, not what I was saying... It isn't the speed that causes the issue. Mars is at a distance orders of magnitude greater than the Moon is. Astronauts will spend 6 to 9 months in transit to get to Mars despite reaching speeds higher than that achieved by the Apollo missions. Exposure to the radiation of space for that long will have a detrimental effect on their health.

Oh ok, sorry for the misunderstanding. Ok so what you're saying raises new questions for me. I googled it, and the van allan belts are two belts, and "The inner Van Allen Belt extends typically from an altitude of 0.2 to 2 Earth radii (L values of 1 to 3) or 1,000 km (620 mi) to 6,000 km (3,700 mi) above the Earth...(AND)...The outer belt... beginning at an altitude of three and extending to ten Earth radii (RE) 13,000 to 60,000 kilometres (8,100 to 37,300 mi) above the Earth's surface.../
(Wikipedia)

So the van allen belts start at about 620 miles in altitude, and go out to about 37,300 miles away from earth to the end of the outer belt. Right so far?

But the moon is (IIRC) about 237,000 miles away. Waayy past the end of the VA belts. Soo...why would there be any difference in how long they spend in the belts? They get through the belts...and then it doesn't matter if they go to the moon or mars, the belts are so thick and once they're past them it doesn't matter anymore. It should take the same time, or even less time if they actully go faster like you said...

Am I missing something here? I don't understand why it would take longer. That it's a danger to go to mars, but not to the moon...?
 
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Oh ok, sorry for the misunderstanding. Ok so what you're saying raises new questions for me. I googled it, and the van allan belts are two belts, and "The inner Van Allen Belt extends typically from an altitude of 0.2 to 2 Earth radii (L values of 1 to 3) or 1,000 km (620 mi) to 6,000 km (3,700 mi) above the Earth...(AND)...The outer belt... beginning at an altitude of three and extending to ten Earth radii (RE) 13,000 to 60,000 kilometres (8,100 to 37,300 mi) above the Earth's surface.../
(Wikipedia)

So the van allen belts start at about 620 miles in altitude, and go out to about 37,300 miles away from earth to the end of the outer belt. Right so far?

But the moon is (IIRC) about 237,000 miles away. Waayy past the end of the VA belts. Soo...why would there be any difference in how long they spend in the belts? They get through the belts...and then it doesn't matter if they go to the moon or mars, the belts are so thick and once they're past them it doesn't matter anymore. It should take the same time, or even less time if they actully go faster like you said...

Am I missing something here? I don't understand why it would take longer. That it's a danger to go to mars, but not to the moon...?
Open space is also filled with dangerous radiation from the sun, which our magnetosphere and athmosphere protects us from.
 
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Please don't respond that way, it makes it much harder to address your points. I ask that you do the normal format.

Ok. I got a handle on it now, lol. (I'm not real great with computers, lol)
 
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They didn't get enough harmfull radiation for any severe symptoms to develop.

See though, that doesn't make sense. Either they were shielded or they weren't. The van allen belts are only so thick and when they're though them then they're through them. Maybe if they were mostly shielded but still got some...it shouldn't be different because they turn towards mars after passing the va belts instead of the moon...does not compute, lol.
 
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See though, that doesn't make sense.
The human body can cope with some amount of radiation before it gets into dangerous levels.

As mentioned in the link I posted, they got about 2 Rad worth of radiation.
 
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The human body can cope with some amount of radiation before it gets into dangerous levels.

As mentioned in the link I posted, they got about 2 Rad worth of radiation.

The human body is sort of weird. Sometimes it can stand up to some punishing abuse and they walk away. Other times people go down quick from a feather touch almost. But it doesn't explain why they were willing to take the risk back with the Apollo missions, but now to go to mars, they don't want to take the risk. There doesn't seem to be an explanation for that.
(unless they're just fishing for more money?)
 
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The human body is sort of weird. Sometimes it can stand up to some punishing abuse and they walk away. Other times people go down quick from a feather touch almost. But it doesn't explain why they were willing to take the risk back with the Apollo missions, but now to go to mars, they don't want to take the risk. There doesn't seem to be an explanation for that.
(unless they're just fishing for more money?)
The explanation has been given to you multiple times now: The travel to mars takes several months instead of several days, so they need added protection from the radiation of free space.
 
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The explanation has been given to you multiple times now: The travel to mars takes several months instead of several days, so they need added protection from the radiation of free space.

That's not what the NASA guy in the video was saying. He was saying that the van allen belts are the danger.
 
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That's not what the NASA guy in the video was saying. He was saying that the van allen belts are the danger.
Do you really think a guy in a youtube video trumps every other evidence?
 
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Do you really think a guy in a youtube video trumps every other evidence?

He was a NASA guy, so he probably knows what he's talking about, right? He prolly knows more than I do about radiation danger. What's your background in radiation? Not being snarky, maybe you have a PhD or something, I don't know.

If the normal background radiation in space is a clear and present danger, then I would think that they'd be talking about it. This is the first I've heard that it isn't the va belts as much as just normal space...So, yeah. What's your background. I do want to talk the most qualified person of course.
 
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A couple of things. First, radiation is cumulative. The longer you stay out there the worse it gets. A few days is no big deal. A few years is. The ISS is within the protection of the Van Allen belts. Apollo left that protection. A Mars mission would leave that protection. What we didn't know at the time and we were VERY lucky to have avoided was a solar flare. If that had happened the astronauts would likely have died. Not immediately but shortly after they returned. If a solar flare catches the Mars mission in transit and they don't have proper shielding they will die in space. It's why they're talking about taking a giant water-filled chamber. First to use as drinking water but also because water can shield them too. They can enter a room inside or behind the water to protect themselves. We don't know when a flare might happen. So that's the biggest fear.
 
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Well not spelled out it doesn't, but the logical conclusion is just screaming it. If we really can not traverse the van allen belts yet, then that has to mean that they lied in 1969 about going. If so then what else have they lied about? Since the fish in the pan is, Is God & the Bible true, or is it just man here alone...then everything gets compared to scripture to see if it fits in with what scripture says. There's a real spiritual war going on and the enemy hides God and lies about God.

So if scripture says that God created the Earth and he put a "Firmament" above earth. A...glass dome so to speak. That we can't get out of by ourselves. This sounds suspiciously like the Van Allen belts to me. Why else would they lie? If we can't get to space, they're still huge motivation for them to lie about it because NASA's "budget" is something like 18 Billion dollars per year. Then all they really have to do is to create their own "space videos" on photoshop or whatever and show the people NASA's doing it!

I've seen a lot of those they faked the moon landing videos, and at first I laughed at those "idiots". But they have brought up a few real good points which makes a man think, whoa, maybe. Like no blast crater under the Lunar landing module or no stars in the moon pictures. It doesn't make sense that you can't see the stars. But why would they have to hide the stars? That sounds stupid. Eventually, I think I figured it out.

People have a suspicious nature and always try to catch the government lying about something, and people are noticing new things all the time...if someone got ahold of a picture of space and the earth from the moon, it could be dated and then checked against star charts to see if the stars in the background are in the right places for that date...and they're moving all the time, lol! That would make it soo hard for NASA to keep up with always having to check and make sure they had all their stars in a row so to speak...It's a lot easier for them to fake photos and videos that don't have to be made from scratch every time, and a lot cheaper for them now, that they don't have to. Just wash out the stars and say you can't see them from the moon blah blah blah. All these little points and incongruities in the issue and NASA's "product" all seem to add up to 2+ 2=4, or...if we really can't get to the moon or mars, then the Bible is true, which means there IS a firmament up there. That would make it a closed system brother.

I didn't believe it before but over the years I have been paying attention and thinking about it. Over time, the new stuff coming out all seems to give support to the notion that they really did fake it. You may not believe it right now brother, but pay attention and see for yourself if it adds up to 2+2=4 for you too. They keep putting their foot in their mouth, like this guy from NASA saying that our astronauts would die trying to fly through the van allen belts. Whoops, they slipped and told the truth! These small issues like this create circumstantial evidence that God is real and He did create this world (as per thread topic, lol)
You don’t know what a closed system is, do you?
 
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