Why no evidence FOR creation/ID?

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

No.

Thought as much.

 

[Divide]

Oh, yeah. We're obviously defining it a little differently.

 

[Divide]

You don’t know what a closed system is, do you?

Well...I do. I install Boiler Systems, and some of them are open systems while some of them are closed systems. Can you tell me the difference?

The difference in us defining it, is in that, you guys are wanting to keep it temporal, natural, earthly (Carnal), and not willing to consider the bigger picture of the very real Spiritual realm, with all of it's influences upon our world and lives...

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

Oh ok, sorry for the misunderstanding. Ok so what you're saying raises new questions for me. I googled it, and the van allan belts are two belts, and "The inner Van Allen Belt extends typically from an altitude of 0.2 to 2 Earth radii (L values of 1 to 3) or 1,000 km (620 mi) to 6,000 km (3,700 mi) above the Earth...(AND)...The outer belt... beginning at an altitude of three and extending to ten Earth radii (RE) 13,000 to 60,000 kilometres (8,100 to 37,300 mi) above the Earth's surface.../
(Wikipedia)

So the van allen belts start at about 620 miles in altitude, and go out to about 37,300 miles away from earth to the end of the outer belt. Right so far?

But the moon is (IIRC) about 237,000 miles away. Waayy past the end of the VA belts. Soo...why would there be any difference in how long they spend in the belts? They get through the belts...and then it doesn't matter if they go to the moon or mars, the belts are so thick and once they're past them it doesn't matter anymore. It should take the same time, or even less time if they actully go faster like you said...

Am I missing something here? I don't understand why it would take longer. That it's a danger to go to mars, but not to the moon...?

As has been explained by a few here already, the Van Allen belts are a concentration of free space radiation being funnelled at those altitudes by the magnetosphere of earth, but when not being concentrated by earth's magnetic field, it's just the radiation normally permeating the solar system & space in general. Long exposures to this permeating radiation in space will do damage to life forms in the long run.

Outer tanks full of water have been proposed as the best protection from this free space radiation short of wearing full body radiation suits for the whole trip to mars.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Oh, yeah. We're obviously defining it a little differently.

No, I just think you understand what a closed system is at all.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

The difference in us defining it, is in that, you guys are wanting to keep it temporal, natural, earthly (Carnal), and not willing to consider the bigger picture of the very real Spiritual realm, with all of it's influences upon our world and lives...

If this "very real Spiritual realm" has such a profound influence in our lives and world, then surely we can measure it, right?

 

[Speedwell]

Well...I do. I install Boiler Systems, and some of them are open systems while some of them are closed systems. Can you tell me the difference?

Yes. In boiler systems the reference is to whether the system is mechanically open or closed. In thermodynamics it's about energy flow. Entirely different concepts.

The difference in us defining it, is in that, you guys are wanting to keep it temporal, natural, earthly (Carnal), and not willing to consider the bigger picture of the very real Spiritual realm, with all of it's influences upon our world and lives...

And those of us who do believe in the supernatural, in the "Spiritual realm" may just think your ideas about it are wrong.

 

[Aman777]

If this "very real Spiritual realm" has such a profound influence in our lives and world, then surely we can measure it, right?

Sure, but today's scientists call it's evidence, "dark energy". Actually, it's no more than the gravitational effects of other Heavens/Universes, much larger than our own, but within our Multiverse, pulling the matter within our Heaven to it's doom. God warned us of this conflagration but unbelievers THINK they know more than God. In the end, like undying worms, they spend eternity with self, trapped in the darkness.

Mar 9:44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Well...I do. I install Boiler Systems, and some of them are open systems while some of them are closed systems. Can you tell me the difference?

Lol, a closed system boiler and a closed system in terms of thermodynamics are entirely different things. It doesn't matter what type of boiler a person has, there isn't a single actual boiler that runs on a closed system in terms of thermodynamics, because that would mean that the heat the boiler produces never escapes and no energy goes into the boiler system to make it work. It would kinda defeat the purpose of a heating system if it trapped all the heat it produced.

The difference in us defining it, is in that, you guys are wanting to keep it temporal, natural, earthly (Carnal), and not willing to consider the bigger picture of the very real Spiritual realm, with all of it's influences upon our world and lives...

Pretty sure ghosts and angels don't run boilers, but since you apparently install them for a living, surely you can show me the component that harvests spiritual energy to run the boiler?

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

Sure, but today's scientists call it's evidence, "dark energy". Actually, it's no more than the gravitational effects of other Heavens/Universes, much larger than our own, but within our Multiverse, pulling the matter within our Heaven to it's doom. God warned us of this conflagration but unbelievers THINK they know more than God. In the end, like undying worms, they spend eternity with self, trapped in the darkness.

Mar 9:44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

In Science, God doesn't even rate a mention, so that's rubbish. Also, Dark matter isn't having any effect whatsoever here in our daily lives on this little rock. That would mean we can disregard it because it's having no effect on us here and now, wouldn't you agree? After all, your assertion about the spiritual realm with "all of it's influences upon our world and lives" is a non-sensical and false statement in this respect.

You are full of it Aman, and still dishonest... or are you just making up stuff randomly ad-hoc?

 

[Divide]

If this "very real Spiritual realm" has such a profound influence in our lives and world, then surely we can measure it, right?

I don't know if we can or not. My first instinct is to say no, but I dunno maybe we can or are getting close. I've seen vids where the ghost hunters (Lol) have stuff that supposedly picks up paranormal energy, bit I'm pretty skeptical of that stuff.

 

[Divide]

Yes. In boiler systems the reference is to whether the system is mechanically open or closed. In thermodynamics it's about energy flow. Entirely different concepts.

Oh yeah? But no summary of it? You think it's an open system because we can get sunlight from the sun? Are terrariums and greenhouses also open systems?

(What's mechanically open or closed mean in a boiler system?)

 

[Divide]

Lol, a closed system boiler and a closed system in terms of thermodynamics are entirely different things. It doesn't matter what type of boiler a person has, there isn't a single actual boiler that runs on a closed system in terms of thermodynamics, because that would mean that the heat the boiler produces never escapes and no energy goes into the boiler system to make it work. It would kinda defeat the purpose of a heating system if it trapped all the heat it produced.

That's a good answer! That's what I like about you Sarah, you may not believe, but you do it a lot more intelligently than some on this board, lol!

Pretty sure ghosts and angels don't run boilers, but since you apparently install them for a living, surely you can show me the component that harvests spiritual energy to run the boiler?

This is stretchin it a wee bit. Not sure you know what your asking here, it's not really a question you just don't know how a boiler system works. It's a system of sub-systems actually. You have the electrical system, the gas system which includes the venting system. Then you have the heating loop which is the water system. So the answer is...The Flux Capacitor is the component.

I think the flux capacitor is actually at the power station!

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

I don't know if we can or not. My first instinct is to say no, but I dunno maybe we can or are getting close. I've seen vids where the ghost hunters (Lol) have stuff that supposedly picks up paranormal energy, bit I'm pretty skeptical of that stuff.

....ghost hunters (lol)! I can't take them seriously...

So back to it, if there's a "very real Spiritual realm", then this would surely point to it having a "very real" effect on us, wouldn't it? If it does, then there'd be some sort of effect we can measure. If it doesn't, then there's really no concern. If as you say, there's not the equipment in existence to do the job, then surely I'd have to lean towards the latter, no?

 

[Speedwell]

....ghost hunters (lol)! I can't take them seriously...

If there's something strange in you neighborhood, who you gonna call?

 

[gaara4158]

Oh yeah? But no summary of it? You think it's an open system because we can get sunlight from the sun? Are terrariums and greenhouses also open systems?

(What's mechanically open or closed mean in a boiler system?)

In thermodynamics a closed system is a system in which no energy enters or escapes. Because the Earth receives a significant amount of energy from the Sun, Earth is not such a system.

 

[PsychoSarah]

That's a good answer! That's what I like about you Sarah, you may not believe, but you do it a lot more intelligently than some on this board, lol!

Might as well try to make an example of what you know to help with understanding.

This is stretchin it a wee bit. Not sure you know what your asking here, it's not really a question you just don't know how a boiler system works. It's a system of sub-systems actually. You have the electrical system, the gas system which includes the venting system. Then you have the heating loop which is the water system. So the answer is...The Flux Capacitor is the component.

I think the flux capacitor is actually at the power station!

I was making a joke, since I know that nothing about how boilers run, nor their installation, accounts for any supernatural forces. You don't assume ghosts or gods make boilers work, and in no way would doing so improve your ability to install boilers.

 

[Aman777]

In Science, God doesn't even rate a mention, so that's rubbish.

Amen. Thanks for confirming the Godless nature of today's Science/scientists. It gives the living another reason to ignore atheistic views of the dead.

Also, Dark matter isn't having any effect whatsoever here in our daily lives on this little rock.

It won't until we approach the edge of our world, which we currently hurtling toward at faster and faster speeds, in violation of the known laws of gravitation. That's WHY they call it "dark" since they have No idea of what is supplying the force necessary to crash the Galaxies into the ground which surrounds us. The "dark" is within their Godless minds.

That would mean we can disregard it because it's having no effect on us here and now, wouldn't you agree?

It's not the fall from the top of the Empire State building that does the damage. It's that sudden stop when the Galaxies crash into the Lake of fire.

After all, your assertion about the spiritual realm with "all of it's influences upon our world and lives" is a non-sensical and false statement in this respect.

Those who are dead to God have freely chosen to actually believe that this world is all there is. When they wake up to Judgment, their knees won't be able to hold them. Every knee will bow. Phl 2:10

You are full of it Aman, and still dishonest... or are you just making up stuff randomly ad-hoc?

Then refute me (prove me wrong) either Scientifically Scripturally or Historically. Then you will see that I support what I write with the agreement of every discovery of Science and History. Want to try?

BTW, The ToE is a false assumption and not true to Science.

 

[Divide]

....ghost hunters (lol)! I can't take them seriously...

So back to it, if there's a "very real Spiritual realm", then this would surely point to it having a "very real" effect on us, wouldn't it? If it does, then there'd be some sort of effect we can measure. If it doesn't, then there's really no concern. If as you say, there's not the equipment in existence to do the job, then surely I'd have to lean towards the latter, no?

I don't believe in Ghosts either, lol. (I believe their evil spirits deceiving people).

I guess I have to disagree with you. Just because we don't have the technology to find them doesn't mean that they are not there. They're just too advanced for mans primitive technology even now. So actually, there is a concern. I would think anyway. People can pick up on it at times. They may wind up chalking it up to intuition and dismiss it, but...I believe that we have spiritual senses the same as natural senses. But we are not taught how to use them. Oh, that's bad juju! Occultic even! Better stay away from that...(flag 1, lol).

 

[Divide]

In thermodynamics a closed system is a system in which no energy enters or escapes. Because the Earth receives a significant amount of energy from the Sun, Earth is not such a system.

Much better. Well, ok, then that definition would not cross over into HVAC, lol.

When I say I think Earth is a closed system, I don't mean that no energy is taken on or escapes but rather...we are stuck here on Earth. There is no space travel, moon missions, or mars missions. We might be able to put satellites up in orbit...but that as far as we can really go. God is not going to let us get loose into the Solar System and universe. No Star Treks...(Closed System).