Why no evidence FOR creation/ID?

[Divide]

How is Earth a closed system?

We're all stuck here on the planet. There will never be interplanetary space travel. There's no way that God is going to let us get loose out in the universe and do a Star Trek thing. The Bible describes there being a "firmament" surrounding the planet. We're essentially "capped off". Scripture calls it a firmament, and, (I believe) that science call it, the Van Allen Belts.
The inner van allen belt extends typically from an altitude of 0.2 to 2 Earth radii (L values of 1 to 3) or 1,000 km (620 mi) to 6,000 km (3,700 mi) above the Earth.

I watched a NASA video and the guy was talking about how they're doing research about a trip to Mars, and they're trying to develop shielding systems that will protect the craft, it's instruments & crew from the radiation associated with the belts both while they pass through it on their way to Mars, and through it again on the return trip to earth. Twice they will have to go through it. And he was saying that there is a serious danger to the craft and therefore the well being of it's crew to have to pass through this danger zone...blah blahblah, so they'll need some more billions to develop the proper shielding for it (Aha!)

But wait a minute guys...didn't all those manned moon missions already solve those problems back in 1969? How many times have we been (supposedly) to the moon? So why are they saying this? Because, we've really never gone to the moon. I think they lied about it for the money. NASA has like, a 17 or 18 billion dollar per year budget. They needed money for black operations. They need even more nowadays, and I guess they figure that it's been long enough that people wont put 2 + 2 together and realize they lied. I believe we can put stuff in orbit, as long as it's lower than 620 miles up.

That's a closed door. A closed system, the earth. Oh sure, it lets sunlight in, but so does a terrarium or a greenhouse. It's just a big closed system.

That's me story and I'm stickin to it, lol.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

We're all stuck here on the planet. There will never be interplanetary space travel. There's no way that God is going to let us get loose out in the universe and do a Star Trek thing. The Bible describes there being a "firmament" surrounding the planet. We're essentially "capped off". Scripture calls it a firmament, and, (I believe) that science call it, the Van Allen Belts.
The inner van allen belt extends typically from an altitude of 0.2 to 2 Earth radii (L values of 1 to 3) or 1,000 km (620 mi) to 6,000 km (3,700 mi) above the Earth.

I watched a NASA video and the guy was talking about how they're doing research about a trip to Mars, and they're trying to develop shielding systems that will protect the craft, it's instruments & crew from the radiation associated with the belts both while they pass through it on their way to Mars, and through it again on the return trip to earth. Twice they will have to go through it. And he was saying that there is a serious danger to the craft and therefore the well being of it's crew to have to pass through this danger zone...blah blahblah, so they'll need some more billions to develop the proper shielding for it (Aha!)

But wait a minute guys...didn't all those manned moon missions already solve those problems? How many times have we been (supposedly) to the moon? They figured it out back in 1969. So why are they saying this? Because, we've really never gone to the moon. I think they lied about it for the money. NASA has like, a 17 or 18 billion dollar per year budget. They needed money for black operations. They need even more nowadays, and I guess they figure that it's been long enough that people wont put 2 + 2 together and realize they lied. I believe we can out stuff in orbit, as long as it's lower than 620 miles up.

That's a closed door. A closed system, the earth. Oh sure, it lets sunlight in, but so does a terrarium or a greenhouse. It's just a big closed system.

That's me story and I'm stickin to it, lol.

That's a very poor story and shows a very bad understanding of science.

 

[Divide]

That's a very poor story and shows a very bad understanding of science.

Do you think we really went to the moon?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Do you think we really went to the moon?

Oh lord...

 

[Divide]

So you don't believe in the van allen belts? Are they not real or something? I didn't make it up. The NASA dude did a video talking about it. Why, if we've already been through the belts and to the moon and back many times before?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

So you don't believe in the van allen belts? Are they not real or something? I didn't make it up. The NASA dude did a video talking about it. Why, if we've already been through the belts and to the moon and back many times before?

I'm not going to respond because that's an off topic point.

 

[Divide]

I'm not going to respond because that's an off topic point.

Now that's funny! NASA's the one that said it. That sorta kinda makes you sound like you're having a moment of cognitive dissonance. I merely looked a step further and figured all the videos suggesting that the moon landing was faked are probably true then. A scam for the money. Maybe you don't realize how much money is involved?

But that's cool man, believe what you want and have a good laugh. Their status quo is a freakin lie.

 

[Divide]

I found it. This is NASA

 

[Jimmy D]

I answered you inside of your quote like I did Jimmy's. What is in bold is me.

The coffee is good tonight! Lol.

Hi Divide

If you highlight a portion of text you want to respond to, a quote button appears below it, if you click "quote" and then go down to the reply box at the bottom of the page and click the "insert quotes" button, it might make life a little easier.

(Sorry about my poor instructions).

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

Thanks for confirming that there is NO evidence of mindless Nature installing God's superior intelligence, which only Humans have, Gen 3:22 in Apes. Your incomplete untrue ToE is the biggest Satanic Lie ever forced upon our innocent children. Since you have NO evidence, you are forced to believe in Magic.

really....?? -_- It's an emergent trait that's borne out in a trend over time. See:

As a comparison, here's another table showing cranial capacity to size ratio and some of the other mammals that have just as much, or more, mental capacity than we do:

In fact, it's amazing to see how even other apes for example can out do us in some memory, cognitive and observation skills :

Chimpanzees Demonstrate Better Working Memory Skills Than Humans (VIDEO) -

How's THAT for emergent intelligence...?

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

That's a little funny because...that's sorta what I do at work, lol. Perhaps a better rendition of the question would be, Basically, anyone that seriously uses it is unknowingly showing the world that they have little understanding how atheists think?

No, no, @PsychoSarah was right, you actually do lack an understanding of the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics to say something as inane as that.

Yeah, that's it. They don't realize just how big this closed system is.

the Universe is considered a closed system - that's pretty big...

Now that's funny! NASA's the one that said it. That sorta kinda makes you sound like you're having a moment of cognitive dissonance. I merely looked a step further and figured all the videos suggesting that the moon landing was faked are probably true then. A scam for the money. Maybe you don't realize how much money is involved?

But that's cool man, believe what you want and have a good laugh. Their status quo is a freakin lie.

I found it. This is NASA

@Warden_of_the_Storm didn't say they didn't understand or accept your statement, I think you've leapt to a conclusion far, far too early there. It's the conspiracy theorist vibe you're putting out that was the handbrake action in this scene. Not that there's no van allen radiation belt. For the Apollo trips to the moon, the astronauts had enough shielding for the relatively quick trip to the moon and back, but the 6 to 9 month unshielded trip to Mars each way would be too much radiation than us humans could tolerate safely. For that, we need a solution.

 

[sfs]

So yeah, ya'll can have your physics and embrace them and think you know something. I don't have to dive into physics and get 8 years of college to know you folks in that camp are wrong.

Well, yeah. Not understanding a subject makes it a lot easier to have unfounded confidence in your own insight.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Now that's funny! NASA's the one that said it. That sorta kinda makes you sound like you're having a moment of cognitive dissonance. I merely looked a step further and figured all the videos suggesting that the moon landing was faked are probably true then. A scam for the money. Maybe you don't realize how much money is involved?

But that's cool man, believe what you want and have a good laugh. Their status quo is a freakin lie.

Still nothing about how Earth is a closed system as per the Second Law of Thermodynamics.

 

[Nithavela]

We're all stuck here on the planet. There will never be interplanetary space travel. There's no way that God is going to let us get loose out in the universe and do a Star Trek thing. The Bible describes there being a "firmament" surrounding the planet. We're essentially "capped off". Scripture calls it a firmament, and, (I believe) that science call it, the Van Allen Belts.
The inner van allen belt extends typically from an altitude of 0.2 to 2 Earth radii (L values of 1 to 3) or 1,000 km (620 mi) to 6,000 km (3,700 mi) above the Earth.

I watched a NASA video and the guy was talking about how they're doing research about a trip to Mars, and they're trying to develop shielding systems that will protect the craft, it's instruments & crew from the radiation associated with the belts both while they pass through it on their way to Mars, and through it again on the return trip to earth. Twice they will have to go through it. And he was saying that there is a serious danger to the craft and therefore the well being of it's crew to have to pass through this danger zone...blah blahblah, so they'll need some more billions to develop the proper shielding for it (Aha!)

But wait a minute guys...didn't all those manned moon missions already solve those problems back in 1969? How many times have we been (supposedly) to the moon? So why are they saying this? Because, we've really never gone to the moon. I think they lied about it for the money. NASA has like, a 17 or 18 billion dollar per year budget. They needed money for black operations. They need even more nowadays, and I guess they figure that it's been long enough that people wont put 2 + 2 together and realize they lied. I believe we can put stuff in orbit, as long as it's lower than 620 miles up.

That's a closed door. A closed system, the earth. Oh sure, it lets sunlight in, but so does a terrarium or a greenhouse. It's just a big closed system.

That's me story and I'm stickin to it, lol.

Great, first post I read in this dumpster fire of a thread and it's already complete nonsense that has been refuted dozens of times, once by myself.

 

[Divide]

Hi Divide

If you highlight a portion of text you want to respond to, a quote button appears below it, if you click "quote" and then go down to the reply box at the bottom of the page and click the "insert quotes" button, it might make life a little easier.

(Sorry about my poor instructions).

Oh I see what you're sayin'. Just do a paragraph at a time and answer them. Thanks, I learn a il bit more about 'puters every day. lol.

 

[Divide]

Still nothing about how Earth is a closed system as per the Second Law of Thermodynamics.

Well not spelled out it doesn't, but the logical conclusion is just screaming it. If we really can not traverse the van allen belts yet, then that has to mean that they lied in 1969 about going. If so then what else have they lied about? Since the fish in the pan is, Is God & the Bible true, or is it just man here alone...then everything gets compared to scripture to see if it fits in with what scripture says. There's a real spiritual war going on and the enemy hides God and lies about God.

So if scripture says that God created the Earth and he put a "Firmament" above earth. A...glass dome so to speak. That we can't get out of by ourselves. This sounds suspiciously like the Van Allen belts to me. Why else would they lie? If we can't get to space, they're still huge motivation for them to lie about it because NASA's "budget" is something like 18 Billion dollars per year. Then all they really have to do is to create their own "space videos" on photoshop or whatever and show the people NASA's doing it!

I've seen a lot of those they faked the moon landing videos, and at first I laughed at those "idiots". But they have brought up a few real good points which makes a man think, whoa, maybe. Like no blast crater under the Lunar landing module or no stars in the moon pictures. It doesn't make sense that you can't see the stars. But why would they have to hide the stars? That sounds stupid. Eventually, I think I figured it out.

People have a suspicious nature and always try to catch the government lying about something, and people are noticing new things all the time...if someone got ahold of a picture of space and the earth from the moon, it could be dated and then checked against star charts to see if the stars in the background are in the right places for that date...and they're moving all the time, lol! That would make it soo hard for NASA to keep up with always having to check and make sure they had all their stars in a row so to speak...It's a lot easier for them to fake photos and videos that don't have to be made from scratch every time, and a lot cheaper for them now, that they don't have to. Just wash out the stars and say you can't see them from the moon blah blah blah. All these little points and incongruities in the issue and NASA's "product" all seem to add up to 2+ 2=4, or...if we really can't get to the moon or mars, then the Bible is true, which means there IS a firmament up there. That would make it a closed system brother.

I didn't believe it before but over the years I have been paying attention and thinking about it. Over time, the new stuff coming out all seems to give support to the notion that they really did fake it. You may not believe it right now brother, but pay attention and see for yourself if it adds up to 2+2=4 for you too. They keep putting their foot in their mouth, like this guy from NASA saying that our astronauts would die trying to fly through the van allen belts. Whoops, they slipped and told the truth! These small issues like this create circumstantial evidence that God is real and He did create this world (as per thread topic, lol)

 

[Nithavela]

Well not spelled out it doesn't, but the logical conclusion is just screaming it. If we really can not traverse the van allen belts yet, then that has to mean that they lied in 1969 about going. If so then what else have they lied about? Since the fish in the pan is, Is God & the Bible true, or is it just man here alone...then everything gets compared to scripture to see if it fits in with what scripture says. There's a real spiritual war going on and the enemy hides God and lies about God.

So if scripture says that God created the Earth and he put a "Firmament" above earth. A...glass dome so to speak. That we can't get out of by ourselves. This sounds suspiciously like the Van Allen belts to me. Why else would they lie? If we can't get to space, they're still huge motivation for them to lie about it because NASA's "budget" is something like 18 Billion dollars per year. Then all they really have to do is to create their own "space videos" on photoshop or whatever and show the people NASA's doing it!

I've seen a lot of those they faked the moon landing videos, and at first I laughed at those "idiots". But they have brought up a few real good points which makes a man think, whoa, maybe. Like no blast crater under the Lunar landing module or no stars in the moon pictures. It doesn't make sense that you can't see the stars. But why would they have to hide the stars? That sounds stupid. Eventually, I think I figured it out.

People have a suspicious nature and always try to catch the government lying about something, and people are noticing new things all the time...if someone got ahold of a picture of space and the earth from the moon, it could be dated and then checked against star charts to see if the stars in the background are in the right places for that date...and they're moving all the time, lol! That would make it soo hard for NASA to keep up with always having to check and make sure they had all their stars in a row so to speak...It's a lot easier for them to fake photos and videos that don't have to be made from scratch every time, and a lot cheaper for them now, that they don't have to. Just wash out the stars and say you can't see them from the moon blah blah blah. All these little points and incongruities in the issue and NASA's "product" all seem to add up to 2+ 2=4, or...if we really can't get to the moon or mars, then the Bible is true, which means there IS a firmament up there. That would make it a closed system brother.

I didn't believe it before but over the years I have been paying attention and thinking about it. Over time, the new stuff coming out all seems to give support to the notion that they really did fake it. You may not believe it right now brother, but pay attention and see for yourself if it adds up to 2+2=4 for you too. They keep putting their foot in their mouth, like this guy from NASA saying that our astronauts would die trying to fly through the van allen belts. Whoops, they slipped and told the truth! These small issues like this create circumstantial evidence that God is real and He did create this world (as per thread topic, lol)

They traversed the van allen belt by going through it really fast and in an angle that evaded the areas of highes radiation. The astronauts were still exposed to harmfull levels of radiation, they just decided to take the risk.

They just need to figure out how to do this on mars and how to implement modern technology to best protect the astronauts.

Now, if this thread goes the same way it did when I last posted this picture, your next question will be since when cape caneveral is in africa. Let's see how that pans out.

 

[Divide]

@Warden_of_the_Storm didn't say they didn't understand or accept your statement, I think you've leapt to a conclusion far, far too early there. It's the conspiracy theorist vibe you're putting out that was the handbrake action in this scene. Not that there's no van allen radiation belt. For the Apollo trips to the moon, the astronauts had enough shielding for the relatively quick trip to the moon and back, but the 6 to 9 month unshielded trip to Mars each way would be too much radiation than us humans could tolerate safely. For that, we need a solution.

Say what? I've never heard that before. They didn't need much shielding for the Apollo trips because they were going faster than the mars rocket would have to go? Is that what you're saying? (Is that what they're saying now?)

Why would the mars rocket have to be going slower? More payload or something? Is that even a factor in space? How fast was the Apollo rockets going through space? Has someone created time and exposure charts relative to speeds and distances involved in traversing the VA belts?
Sorry brother for all the questions but I'm trying to understand exactly what you're saying and wrap my mind around this to see how believable it is, so links to where you got this notion would be appreciated.

 

[Nithavela]

Why would the mars rocket have to be going slower? More payload or something?

Propably. They'd need a lot more equipment, rations, spare parts, oxygen, water and so forth for a trip to mars. After all, they would have to propably set up some sort of colony on that planet.

Maybe they'll send a lot of the equipment beforehand.

Is that even a factor in space?

Of course it is. Acceleration by force is a function of the mass being accelerated.

How fast was the Apollo rockets going through space? Has someone created time and exposure charts relative to speeds and distances involved in traversing the VA belts?

See my picture in post #1677. Each red dot is one minute.

 

[Divide]

They traversed the van allen belt by going through it really fast and in an angle that evaded the areas of highes radiation. The astronauts were still exposed to harmfull levels of radiation, they just decided to take the risk.

Is that so? Hmmm. What's Africa got to do with this? Lol. No the questions which popped up in my mind as I checked this out are, how do they know which areas of the VA belts have higher and lower levels of radiation? Have they mapped out the VA belts and did sensor surveys of the whole belt system? (I highly doubt it). So the astronauts that flew through it and were still exposed to harmful levels of radiation...and in fact made quite a few trips through it repeatedly on different moon missions...and most of them astronauts are still alive. Old men now. To be clear, that's what you're saying? They did do it, repeated trips through harmful levels of radiation, took the risk...and they're not dying off with various cancers?
So I feel they're lying about that. They'd be dead. Or if the (quote) harmful levels (unquote) of radiation are so low that multiple trips through it can easily be made with no adverse effects...then I submit that it wouldn't be an issue at all.

It don't take much radiation to kill somebody. Even if it may take time because it will come out as cancer somewhere. I don't think I've heard of the astronauts are dying off from cancer.No offense brother, but this is sounding pretty thin to me. . Neil Armstrong didn't make just one trip, lol. That ol' dude is lookin good. Too good to have gone through what you suggested.