Why no evidence FOR creation/ID?

[Bugeyedcreepy]

Amen. Thanks for confirming the Godless nature of today's Science/scientists. It gives the living another reason to ignore atheistic views of the dead.

Non-sequitur. How does that even follow in your head?

It won't until we approach the edge of our world, which we currently hurtling toward at faster and faster speeds, in violation of the known laws of gravitation. That's WHY they call it "dark" since they have No idea of what is supplying the force necessary to crash the Galaxies into the ground which surrounds us. The "dark" is within their Godless minds.

I think there's some massive misunderstanding going on here, Firstly, Galaxies won't be crashing into any ground anytime soon - that concept is purely imagination stretched from said massive misunderstanding. Second, such dark energy propelled expansion speedup won't be a problem for trillions upon trillions of years from now. If we are even around that long, we will be entirely unrecognisable as human by then.

It's not the fall from the top of the Empire State building that does the damage. It's that sudden stop when the Galaxies crash into the Lake of fire.

....okay, you really have missed the boat - You really need to work on your coherence Aman. Galaxies are themselves comprised of these "lakes of fire" - but us normal people call them Stars.

Those who are dead to God have freely chosen to actually believe that this world is all there is. When they wake up to Judgment, their knees won't be able to hold them. Every knee will bow. Phl 2:10

You mean God considers me "dead" to him? I certainly don't believe that this world is all there is... I do acknowledge that this reality is real though and I'd like to know as many true things and discard as many false things as I'm able about it.

Then refute me (prove me wrong) either Scientifically Scripturally or Historically. Then you will see that I support what I write with the agreement of every discovery of Science and History. Want to try?

Done that so many times already - and not just me, Many of us have taken the time to point out your failings and misgivings, you're just dishonest and a liar, both to your self as well as all of us. YOU need to acknowledge YOUR failings before you can be taken seriously.

BTW, The ToE is a false assumption and not true to Science.

except it's so well-founded in science as to be a foundation cornerstone for quite a few scientific disciplines on top of being its own Scientific Theory. Good Luck getting your Nobel Prize overturning it!

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

I don't believe in Ghosts either, lol. (I believe their evil spirits deceiving people).

I guess I have to disagree with you. Just because we don't have the technology to find them doesn't mean that they are not there.

well, I'd actually agree with you there...

They're just too advanced for mans primitive technology even now. So actually, there is a concern. I would think anyway. People can pick up on it at times. They may wind up chalking it up to intuition and dismiss it, but...I believe that we have spiritual senses the same as natural senses. But we are not taught how to use them.

Right. Well perhaps you could start by explaining what a Spirit is and how you come to know they exist? Wouldn't ghosts qualify as a spirit?

Oh, that's bad juju! Occultic even! Better stay away from that...(flag 1, lol).

lol!

 

[gaara4158]

Much better. Well, ok, then that definition would not cross over into HVAC, lol.

When I say I think Earth is a closed system, I don't mean that no energy is taken on or escapes but rather...we are stuck here on Earth. There is no space travel, moon missions, or mars missions. We might be able to put satellites up in orbit...but that as far as we can really go. God is not going to let us get loose into the Solar System and universe. No Star Treks...(Closed System).

See the importance of defining terms before making an argument now?

In any case, you’ve now put yourself in the difficult position of having to prove that all manned moon missions were hoaxes, as well as all future manned interplanetary missions. Next you’ll be claiming that the earth is flat!

 

[xianghua]

Amen. Thanks for confirming the Godless nature of today's Science/scientists. It gives the living another reason to ignore atheistic views of the dead.

actually not everyone:Paper that says human hand was 'designed by Creator' sparks concern

 

[Aman777]

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Amen. Thanks for confirming the Godless nature of today's Science/scientists. It gives the living another reason to ignore atheistic views of the dead.

*** Non-sequitur. How does that even follow in your head?

Some have claimed that Scientists are not Godless. While that can be true, ALL of them reject the flood story and make fun of those who know that it is True. In order to accept the doctrines of Science, one MUST accept man's changeable truth ABOVE that of Almighty God.

Jesus tells us of the evil of the Godless unbeliever:

Mat 15:9 But in vain they do worship Me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

 

[Aman777]

I think there's some massive misunderstanding going on here, Firstly, Galaxies won't be crashing into any ground anytime soon - that concept is purely imagination stretched from said massive misunderstanding. Second, such dark energy propelled expansion speedup won't be a problem for trillions upon trillions of years from now. If we are even around that long, we will be entirely unrecognisable as human by then.

You should say you don't know what surrounds our Cosmos. FYI, It's dust or ground without form. Our world is in the ground of the Multiverse. Adam's world was in the midst of the water in the Multiverse. Gen 1:6-8 Don't you know that God made other Universes within our Multiverse? Catch up. It's in Genesis one.

Galaxies are themselves comprised of these "lakes of fire" - but us normal people call them Stars.

I know but what do you think happens when they all crash together? First the Stars burn together in a Lake of Fire and after the fire goes out, those who reject God and choose this world will spend eternity alone with self.
Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever:

 

[Aman777]

Next you’ll be claiming that the earth is flat!

Adam's earth was flat. The highest elevation was only 22.5 feet/15 cubits. Gen 7:20 The mountains were covered with water when the flood reached this depth. Adam's earth had only 4 Rivers, which all came from the same River. Gen 2:10 Adam's earth was "clean dissolved" in the flood Isa 24:19 Today, Adam's solid firmament/heaven is at the bottom of Lake Van, Turkey, in the mountains of Ararat. Adam's entire Universe was totally destroyed in the flood. ll Peter 3:3-7 That is God's Truth, Scripturally.

 

[Aman777]

actually not everyone:Paper that says human hand was 'designed by Creator' sparks concern

Thanks for the link. God Bless you

 

[Astrophile]

actually not everyone:Paper that says human hand was 'designed by Creator' sparks concern

Do the authors think that the hands of other primates, or the forelimbs of other tetrapods, were designed by a Creator? And what about the human foot; was it designed, or did it evolve?

 

[xianghua]

Do the authors think that the hands of other primates, or the forelimbs of other tetrapods, were designed by a Creator? And what about the human foot; was it designed, or did it evolve?

why not?

 

[gaara4158]

Adam's earth was flat. The highest elevation was only 22.5 feet/15 cubits. Gen 7:20 The mountains were covered with water when the flood reached this depth. Adam's earth had only 4 Rivers, which all came from the same River. Gen 2:10 Adam's earth was "clean dissolved" in the flood Isa 24:19 Today, Adam's solid firmament/heaven is at the bottom of Lake Van, Turkey, in the mountains of Ararat. Adam's entire Universe was totally destroyed in the flood. ll Peter 3:3-7 That is God's Truth, Scripturally.

Can you verify this without the Bible?

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

You should say you don't know what surrounds our Cosmos. FYI, It's dust or ground without form. Our world is in the ground of the Multiverse. Adam's world was in the midst of the water in the Multiverse. Gen 1:6-8 Don't you know that God made other Universes within our Multiverse? Catch up. It's in Genesis one.

Wholesale Assumptions without evidence.

I know but what do you think happens when they all crash together? First the Stars burn together in a Lake of Fire and after the fire goes out, those who reject God and choose this world will spend eternity alone with self.
Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever:

since when will they all "crash" together? Galaxies that do collide just become a larger Galaxies - a process that takes billions of years. Here's a simulation of our Galaxy and the much larger Andromeda Galaxy combining around 4-6 billion years from now:

 

[Divide]

well, I'd actually agree with you there...

Right. Well perhaps you could start by explaining what a Spirit is and how you come to know they exist? Wouldn't ghosts qualify as a spirit?

lol!

Well, Spirits can step in and out of our natural realm. I differentiate Ghosts because they are deceiving spirits in disguise, whereas spirits are the real thing, whether good or evil. I know they exist because I am fairly well aquainted with God's Holy Spirit, and...I have had some evil spirits try to scare me one night by jiggling my bedroom doorknob. There was no one there to be able to do that. I was alone. It didn't work, I ordered them away (laughing) in the name of Jesus, and they went away. Oh, plus one time God's Spirit spoke to me audibly...so there's that.

I don't really qualify ghosts as spirits because it is a deception that our dead loved ones can come to us. (They're dead)

 

[Aman777]

Can you verify this without the Bible?

Sure, since today's Humans have the highest form of intelligence, which is like God's AND we also have the DNA and ERVs of the common ancestor of Apes. This means that Humans could NOT have had their beginning on planet Earth since all life on planet Earth came from the last universal common ancestor. Humans were made BEFORE L.U.C.A. Can you tell us another way to magically change prehistoric people into reasoning humans? Of course not, UNLESS we believe you by blind FAITH.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Sure, since today's Humans have the highest form of intelligence, which is like God's AND we also have the DNA and ERVs of the common ancestor of Apes. This means that Humans could NOT have had their beginning on planet Earth since all life on planet Earth came from the last universal common ancestor. Humans were made BEFORE L.U.C.A. Can you tell us another way to magically change prehistoric people into reasoning humans? Of course not, UNLESS we believe you by blind FAITH.

Comment: we have a lot of the sequences for Neanderthal DNA. How much would it destroy your argument if they are sentient, should we use this knowledge to revive that species? Because evidence points very much so to the possibility of Neanderthals only being marginally less intelligent than ourselves.

 

[Aman777]

since when will they all "crash" together? Galaxies that do collide just become a larger Galaxies - a process that takes billions of years.

Not if they crash into the ground/dust which surrounds our Cosmos. They would become a very large Lake of Fire, trapped forever in their own self made grave. Billions of years means nothing to Eternity.

 

[Aman777]

Comment: we have a lot of the sequences for Neanderthal DNA. How much would it destroy your argument if they are sentient, should we use this knowledge to revive that species? Because evidence points very much so to the possibility of Neanderthals only being marginally less intelligent than ourselves.

Doesn't matter at all since Neanderthals came from water, so they are the sons of God. (prehistoric people) Mix the sons of God with Humans (descendants of Adam) for some 11k years and you get today's Humans, a combination of both. Genesis 6:4

The sons of God are innocent and will be found throughout the Universe, wherever we find Liquid Water. They also will be in Heaven. Today's Christians are also called the sons of God AFTER they are born again spiritually. Rom 8:14 Both prehistoric people and Humans will be innocent in Heaven. Amen?

 

[gaara4158]

Sure, since today's Humans have the highest form of intelligence, which is like God's AND we also have the DNA and ERVs of the common ancestor of Apes. This means that Humans could NOT have had their beginning on planet Earth since all life on planet Earth came from the last universal common ancestor. Humans were made BEFORE L.U.C.A. Can you tell us another way to magically change prehistoric people into reasoning humans? Of course not, UNLESS we believe you by blind FAITH.

Not one of your sentences follows logically from the last. Prehistorical people already were reasoning humans. The transition from our apelike ancestors to ourselves occurred due to mutations. I’m sure this has been explained to you before, right?

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

Not if they crash into the ground/dust which surrounds our Cosmos. They would become a very large Lake of Fire, trapped forever in their own self made grave. Billions of years means nothing to Eternity.

Aman, You have nothing to base this on. Dust is a product of this Universe, it is something that came about in our universe after the first stars went Supernova, and not before. Based on that fact, how could you even know what's in the Cosmos, let alone that there's time outside (another intrinsic property of this universe) and that it's permeated by something that didn't even exist in this universe for millions, if not billions of years after it appeared to begin?

Yet again, you completely short Science and the scientific process to arrive at violently speculative and unfounded assumptions about things we're not even sure exists?

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

Well, Spirits can step in and out of our natural realm.

How do you know this?

I differentiate Ghosts because they are deceiving spirits in disguise, whereas spirits are the real thing, whether good or evil.

How do you know this?

I know they exist because I am fairly well aquainted with God's Holy Spirit,

How do you know it's God's Holy Spirit?

and...I have had some evil spirits try to scare me one night by jiggling my bedroom doorknob. There was no one there to be able to do that. I was alone.

How do you know this?

It didn't work, I ordered them away (laughing) in the name of Jesus, and they went away.

Could there be another reason for your experience?

Oh, plus one time God's Spirit spoke to me audibly...so there's that.

O.O

sooooo..... How do you know it was your God? Could it have been another Supernatural being? How would you tell them apart? ....and out of interest, what mind-blowing tidbit of information was imparted upon you during this audible experience?

I don't really qualify ghosts as spirits because it is a deception that our dead loved ones can come to us. (They're dead)

How do you know this?