Why isn’t Schiff charged with lying to Congress?

[disciple Clint]

How so? You need something a lot stronger than a biased and unreliable source to support your claim.

How did leaving off a failed legal explanation change the meaning of the quote?

attacking the messenger does nothing, presenting alternative facts to rebut the facts presented is required if you disagree with the article. So it matters what you change?? Making a change of any kind is not in itself dishonest, but then consider who made the changes, that explains everything.

 

[Subduction Zone]

attacking the messenger does nothing, presenting alternative facts to rebut the facts presented is required if you disagree with the article. So it matters what you change?? Making a change of any kind is not in itself dishonest, but then consider who made the changes, that explains everything.

The messenger apparently lied by omission in this case. That is what happens quite often in unreliable sources. You probably do not even understand how they lied.

And you are ready to convict Schiff without adequate evidence.

 

[disciple Clint]

[He's not lying. Nothing was misrepresented. Jim Jordan still supports the insurrectionists and tried to protect them.

Folks wonder if democracy is being eroded in America. Well, republican supporters are willing to give insurrectionists a pass if someone quotes them by negating punctuation so, no, I don't think that is a good sign for American democracy. The camps are so entrenched that reason escapes them sometimes.

There would have to be an insurrection before anyone could give it a pass, Jan 6th was by no stretch of the imagination an insurrection. Changes made and not disclosed are dishonest at the very least but not unexpected from someone who lied and claimed for four years that he had evidence that he fully knew did not exist.

 

[disciple Clint]

The messenger apparently lied by omission in this case. That is what happens quite often in unreliable sources. You probably do not even understand how they lied.

And you are ready to convict Schiff without adequate evidence.

The evidence has been declassified you can read it anytime.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The evidence has been declassified you can read it anytime.

Then why can't any of the Republican believers of that nonsense post it.

We know the very minor change that Schiff made. It did not appear to change the post one iota.

 

[Subduction Zone]

There would have to be an insurrection before anyone could give it a pass, Jan 6th was by no stretch of the imagination an insurrection. Changes made and not disclosed are dishonest at the very least but not unexpected from someone who lied and claimed for four years that he had evidence that he fully knew did not exist.

An insurrection does not have to succeed for there to have been insurrectionists

 

[disciple Clint]

Then why can't any of the Republican believers of that nonsense post it.

We know the very minor change that Schiff made. It did not appear to change the post one iota.

The article from the source that I posted gives a link if you want to actually know what was done.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The article from the source that I posted gives a link if you want to actually know what was done.

I know what was done. So what? It did not change the meaning of the message at all. In other words; no harm, no foul.

 

[disciple Clint]

An insurrection does not have to succeed for there to have been insurrectionists

but it does have to qualify as an insurrection, can you explain how the Jan 6 event that you insist on calling an insurrection fits the legal definition?
"Insurrection refers to an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government. It is a violent revolt against an oppressive authority. Insurrection is different from riots and offenses connected with mob violence. In insurrection there is an organized and armed uprising against authority or operations of government whereas riots and offenses connected with mob violence are simply unlawful acts in disturbance of the peace which do not threaten the stability of the government or the existence of political society.

The following is a case law defining Insurrection:

Insurrection means “a violent uprising by a group or movement acting for the specific purpose of overthrowing the constituted government and seizing its powers. An insurrection occurs where a movement acts to overthrow the constituted government and to take possession of its inherent powers.” [Younis Bros. & Co. v. Cigna Worldwide Ins. Co., 899 F. Supp. 1385, 1392-1393 (E.D. Pa. 1995)]"
https://definitions.uslegal.com/i/insurrection/

 

[JustOneWay]

We have a corrupt government, and it's not going to get better until our servants in Washington are held accountable. Transparency and accountability are the keys.

That is precisely what the Jan 6th committee is doing.

 

[disciple Clint]

That is precisely what the Jan 6th committee is doing.

In exactly what way is that committee doing that? They are centered on Trump, they are not looking at why the event happened or why intelligence was ignored by command staff resulting in an insufficient response to a known threat. We should be looking at what could and should have been done. what mistakes were made who made them and how they can be avoided. Lessons learned prevent future events. They are not at all concerned with improving security they are all about keeping Trump from being elected again in 2024

 

[JustOneWay]

In exactly what way is that committee doing that? They are centered on Trump, they are not looking at why the event happened or why intelligence was ignored by command staff resulting in an insufficient response to a known threat. We should be looking at what could and should have been done. what mistakes were made who made them and how they can be avoided. Lessons learned prevent future events. They are not at all concerned with improving security they are all about keeping Trump from being elected again in 2024

Why the event happened? Really? The 'rally' was called STOP THE STEAL, because Trump told them the election was stolen, and he is still saying that today. Before there is to be any moving forward, all those involved need punished for their criminal acts.

 

[disciple Clint]

Why the event happened? Really? The 'rally' was called STOP THE STEAL, because Trump told them the election was stolen, and he is still saying that today. Before there is to be any moving forward, all those involved need punished for their criminal acts.

"I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard," added the President.

 

[JustOneWay]

"I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard," added the President.

We know who he is, what he did and what he still does. Saying that will not absolve him of what he did. Words are meaningless, it is actions which defines the man.

 

[disciple Clint]

We know who he is, what he did and what he still does. Saying that will not absolve him of what he did. Words are meaningless, it is actions which defines the man.

YOU Said

The 'rally' was called STOP THE STEAL, because Trump told them the election was stolen, and he is still saying that today.

AND NOW you say

Words are meaningless

So what is it that you think Trump did that was criminal? I do not see any evidence of criminal activity on his part.

 

[JustOneWay]

YOU Said
AND NOW you say
So what is it that you think Trump did that was criminal? I do not see any evidence of criminal activity on his part.

I do not expect any Trump supporter to believe Trump acted criminally. They have given him a pass for 5 years, why change now? The actions Trump put in motion by throwing Trump's BIG and WILD protest party where hundreds of cops were attacked and injured, will not end well for the organizers of the party. I hear that Trump's wife is selling portraits of Trump's cobalt blue eyes, so go support the man and get em while they last!

 

[wing2000]

In exactly what way is that committee doing that? They are centered on Trump, they are not looking at why the event happened or why intelligence was ignored by command staff resulting in an insufficient response to a known threat. We should be looking at what could and should have been done. what mistakes were made who made them and how they can be avoided. Lessons learned prevent future events. They are not at all concerned with improving security they are all about keeping Trump from being elected again in 2024

How do you know any of this? You don't.

Sept 16, 2021 press release from the committee:
“The facts surrounding steps taken at the Pentagon to protect our security both before and after January 6th are a crucial area of focus for the Select Committee. Indeed, the Select Committee has sought records specifically related to these matters and we expect the Department of Defense to cooperate fully with our probe. Looking ahead, we will carefully evaluate all the facts based on first-hand testimony, contemporaneous documents, and other relevant materials. The Select Committee is dedicated to telling the complete story of the unprecedented and extraordinary events of January 6th, including all steps that led to what happened that day, and the specific actions and activities that followed between January 6th and January 20th, 2021.”
thompson-cheney-statement-pentagon-officials-reported-actions-after-january-6th

 

[Valletta]

Why the event happened? Really? The 'rally' was called STOP THE STEAL, because Trump told them the election was stolen, and he is still saying that today. Before there is to be any moving forward, all those involved need punished for their criminal acts.

Marxism is presented in an alluring way. Try and put aside the class warfare they teach and love your neighbor. Consider trying and imprisoning the real violent criminals, and don't facilitate the horrific crimes that occur because of the president not enforcing the border laws and his supporters looking the other way. When Democratic election officials lie, as they did in Georgia, don't tolerate such behavior just because they are Democrats. Everyone deserves the same due process.

 

[DaisyDay]

Marxism is presented in an alluring way. Try and put aside the class warfare they teach and love your neighbor. Consider trying and imprisoning the real violent criminals, and don't facilitate the horrific crimes that occur because of the president not enforcing the border laws and his supporters looking the other way. When Democratic election officials lie, as they did in Georgia, don't tolerate such behavior just because they are Democrats. Everyone deserves the same due process.

Which Democratic election officials in Georgia lied?

 

[JustOneWay]

Marxism is presented in an alluring way. Try and put aside the class warfare they teach and love your neighbor. Consider trying and imprisoning the real violent criminals, and don't facilitate the horrific crimes that occur because of the president not enforcing the border laws and his supporters looking the other way. When Democratic election officials lie, as they did in Georgia, don't tolerate such behavior just because they are Democrats. Everyone deserves the same due process.

Marxism? Class warfare? What?

Talk of the border or the democrats is simply an attempt distract from the serious issue at hand and the attempt by Donald J Trump and his army to stop the electoral certification process and steal the election he lost.

This is what REAL violent criminals do. Violence

The rioters who participated in the Jan. 6 insurrection committed more than 1,000 assaults on federal officers, according to a review of body-cam footage that prosecutors described in a court filing late Wednesday.

More than 130 officers were injured during the violence unleashed by the mob of supporters of then-President Donald Trump who stormed the Capitol as Congress was in the process of certifying Joe Biden’s victory in the 2020 presidential election.

Prosecutors: Jan. 6 rioters committed more than 1,000 assaults on police