Why is "MAGA" offensive?

[USincognito]

This wasn't ok then either. They hated Reagan, Bush 1,2 and would hate any Republican! The one difference with Trump is that he fights back, they are unable to control him which makes them even more hateful than normal. His presence has exposed the hatred that the Left has always had towards anything that seems conservative.

Wait. I'm confused about which narrative is dominant. Is Trump the perpetual victim or the brave, pugilistic hero?

 

[LoAmmi]

Wait. I'm confused about which narrative is dominant. Is Trump the perpetual victim or the brave, pugilistic hero?

He is everything and nothing. Schrodinger's President.

 

[rambot]

Because people who wear the hat usually respects the rule of law and wants minorities and all types of immigrants to LEGALLY have a place in their society.

ROFL. As if you could POSSIBLY know the piece I highlighted. Not only that but you fact that you say that suggest that it is:
1) One of the ways people identify with the group (balderdash)
2) People who don't wear the hat don't usually respect the rule of law.


And the "rule of law" is one one aspect of a functioning society.

 

[cow451]

Wait. I'm confused about which narrative is dominant. Is Trump the perpetual victim or the brave, pugilistic hero?

Neither.

 

[Chesterton]

It's the TRUMP part that turns me off from the catchphrase.

Also, I've never been keen on the idea of a hat for the whole group to wear. You see this in religious groups as well. Special hats to distinguish 'us' from 'them'.

George Carlin had a great bit on people wearing the same hats and why you shouldn't trust them and this was at least a decade before this whole MAGA movement became a thing.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

That's a non sequitur, please explain, in a grammatical way, how "Hope and Change" is related to "Black Power"? You're just tossing out phrases now and associating the first Black president with the Black Power movement without a shred of explanation.

Well, I of course don't attribute "Hope and Change" to black nationalism. However, the Black Panthers seem to suggest differently.

Black Panthers endorsed then Candidate Obama

Black Panthers intimidating white voters at the polling station with racial insults and threats.

President Obama with long time pastor Reverend Jeremiah Wright who famously saying "God D@#$ America the US of KKK their chickens have come home to roost" to support Black Nationalism. Later endorsing Obama and seeing him as the black leader who would finally bring whites to their knees.

Once again, I don't think "Hope and Change" had anything to do with racism or black nationalism. Furthermore, I would say that over 99% of people who supported and voted for Barrack Obama in 2008 didn't consider any racial overtones to "Hope and Change". It was only the extreme few.

The exact same thing applies to "Make America Great Again". I don't think "MAGA" has anything to to with racism or white nationalism. Furthermore, I would say that over 99% of people who supported and voted for Donald Trump in 2016 didn't consider any racial overtones to "MAGA". Only an extreme few.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Ya can't trust em!

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

By golly it all makes sense now!

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Del because I'll wind up getting the warning

Good Call.

 

[Colter]

Wait. I'm confused about which narrative is dominant. Is Trump the perpetual victim or the brave, pugilistic hero?

Trump is an (R) president, he had been a (D) in the past. When he became an (R) the psychological projection began in earnest.

 

[camille70]

Well, I of course don't attribute "Hope and Change" to black nationalism. However, the Black Panthers seem to suggest differently.

Black Panthers endorsed then Candidate Obama
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Black Panthers intimidating white voters at the polling station with racial insults and threats.
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President Obama with long time pastor Reverend Jeremiah Wright who famously saying "God D@#$ America the US of KKK their chickens have come home to roost" to support Black Nationalism. Later endorsing Obama and seeing him as the black leader who would finally bring whites to their knees.


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Once again, I don't think "Hope and Change" had anything to do with racism or black nationalism. Furthermore, I would say that over 99% of people who supported and voted for Barrack Obama in 2008 didn't consider any racial overtones to "Hope and Change". It was only the extreme few.

The exact same thing applies to "Make America Great Again". I don't think "MAGA" has anything to to with racism or white nationalism. Furthermore, I would say that over 99% of people who supported and voted for Donald Trump in 2016 didn't consider any racial overtones to "MAGA". Only an extreme few.

I should have taken a bet. I was going to ask how people here react to and would feel about someone wearing a black panther party t shirt, but I didn't want to go down that rabbit hole. People are so sensitive about the bpp that about 6-12 mos before the comic book movie came out, someone got put off a plane for wearing a marvel shirt because another passenger complained that it made them uncomfortable, and it wasn't even related to the bpp.

Notice their description says for ALL Americans not just BLACK Americans. I can't believe you dug out those poll watchers from the bpp tho. Fox news ran the same three guys on a loop two months straight trying to scare folks into thinking they were going to stop people from voting and that some sort of " black uprising" was taking place to make white folks subservient to blacks. How'd that pan out, btw?


Since we decided to go this route, here is more fuel for the fire. I saw this right after this topic started. I wasn't going to share this here, but the can of worms has been opened so may as well...

Alyssa Milano: 'The red MAGA hat is the new white hood'

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

I should have taken a bet. I was going to ask how people here react to and would feel about someone wearing a black panther party t shirt, but I didn't want to go down that rabbit hole. People are so sensitive about the bpp that about 6-12 mos before the comic book movie came out, someone got put off a plane for wearing a marvel shirt because another passenger complained that it made them uncomfortable, and it wasn't even related to the bpp.

Notice their description says for ALL Americans not just BLACK Americans. I can't believe you dug out those poll watchers from the bpp tho. Fox news ran the same three guys on a loop two months straight trying to scare folks into thinking they were going to stop people from voting and that some sort of " black uprising" was taking place to make white folks subservient to blacks. How'd that pan out, btw?


Since we decided to go this route, here is more fuel for the fire. I saw this right after this topic started. I wasn't going to share this here, but the can of worms has been opened so may as well...

Alyssa Milano: 'The red MAGA hat is the new white hood'

Right, now do you see why being offended with someone who is merely wearing a "maga" hat is unnecessary?

 

[Kentonio]

Again I say, American "Greatness" is not a period of time in American History, it is the brave and courageous men and women who make this country great. Seeing how your profile says you are in France, I am sure the French would agree that the Americans were demonstrating greatness when they liberated Paris from Nazi occupation.

I’m in France, I’m not French. I’m British, you know the guys who were fighting the Nazis for 3 years before you guys bothered to turn up.

Also it was primarily the Free French and the French resistance who liberated Paris, not the US.

 

[bhsmte]

Simple question.

Why was this Okay, and this is offensive?
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The person touting it is offensive, not the saying itself. Regan and trump, were a tad different in behaviors.

 

[camille70]

Right, now do you see why being offended with someone who is merely wearing a "maga" hat is unnecessary?

I've not felt offense. I've just been wary of anyone wearing one, just like I am wary of men with confederate flag tattoos and emblems on their trucks. The instinct is to pull any kids I have with me close because the rhetoric and mindset of the ones most vocal among them indicates they wish me and mine harm.

If MAGA hat wearers want people to believe they don't support Trumps racism and all the horrible stuff he says and does, they need to be more vocal in denouncing it and the groups that have adopted it as a means to instill fear and relay the message that only white people belong in this country. You don't find that though. They say they are only against illegal immigrants, ignoring the attacks on legal immigration. Ignoring the white supremacists like Stephen Miller with whom he surrounds himself.

Thread after thread on here makes excuses for Trump and his careless speech. Or try to justify it. They like his "plain speech" . They like that he "speaks his mind" . They use all sorts of euphemisms to avoid saying directly that they agree, but that's what it comes down to. He is being politically incorrect so they don't have to. He takes the heat so they can continue to be wolves in sheep's clothing, quoting scriptures and proclaiming they love everyone, while they condone attacks dehumanizing those who are our Christian brothers and sisters from other countries and embracing everything that is the opposite of how Christians are supposed to live. It's evolving though because ultimately everyone wants to be authentic and have their thoughts and feelings accepted. More and more this side is being shown. That's why we had folks marching hoods off with tiki torches screaming "Jews will not replace us" .

Society hasn't tipped back to the point that most people can get away with blatant racism, but the men who were blasted on social media and lost jobs over all that aren't sorry for their ideas, they are only sorry they had negative consequences associated with voicing them and are hoping soon they can do it again and have more join them in their efforts.

I am not deceived. I've watched it unfold. I see how people act and react.

 

[DaisyDay]

Take a moment to go outdoors and look at a tree. Study its form and branches. Notice their shape and the nuances you see. One tree can sprout many branches. They won't be identical. But they hail from the same source. Even though they're divided and produce new branches.

A tree can produce many branches which manifest their own leaves or fruit from the same source. All derive their nourishment from the root. And if the root is good the tree bears good fruit. But if the root is bad everything that comes from the tree is so.

There is no difference between the branches. They are identical in every way but presented through different guises. All roads will lead to the same point. It is a gateway and nothing more.

Not a botanist or even a gardener. Many trees in cultivation grow stronger on roots not their own by being grafted. All branches are not identical - some oddballs are known as sports. Leaves also provide nourishment to the roots.

All roads do not lead to the same point; they are not endless. Even though parallel roads may appear to converge, they do not.

The man with a 1000 faces - Lon Chaney?

 

[EpiscipalMe]

Well, I of course don't attribute "Hope and Change" to black nationalism. However, the Black Panthers seem to suggest differently.

Black Panthers endorsed then Candidate Obama
View attachment 249807

Black Panthers intimidating white voters at the polling station with racial insults and threats.
View attachment 249808

President Obama with long time pastor Reverend Jeremiah Wright who famously saying "God D@#$ America the US of KKK their chickens have come home to roost" to support Black Nationalism. Later endorsing Obama and seeing him as the black leader who would finally bring whites to their knees.


View attachment 249809

Once again, I don't think "Hope and Change" had anything to do with racism or black nationalism. Furthermore, I would say that over 99% of people who supported and voted for Barrack Obama in 2008 didn't consider any racial overtones to "Hope and Change". It was only the extreme few.

The exact same thing applies to "Make America Great Again". I don't think "MAGA" has anything to to with racism or white nationalism. Furthermore, I would say that over 99% of people who supported and voted for Donald Trump in 2016 didn't consider any racial overtones to "MAGA". Only an extreme few.

The difference is the candidate himself, not who endorsed him.

 

[USincognito]

Trump is an (R) president, he had been a (D) in the past. When he became an (R) the psychological projection began in earnest.

That doesn't answer my question. Is he the perpetual victim (V) or the brave, pugilistic hero (BPH)?

 

[Gigimo]

You mean time travel Clinton who went back and became governor of New York in 1975?

You don't have to go that far back, just to when Hillary was a NY Senator she loves pay to play.

 

[Colter]

That doesn't answer my question. Is he the perpetual victim (V) or the brave, pugilistic hero (BPH)?

BPH bigly!