Why is "MAGA" offensive?

[whatbogsends]

Dems will treat any Republican POTUS as they are treating Trump. We know this just by the fact that that's how they've treated every Republican POTUS of recent memory.

People disliked Bush for his invasion in Iraq. Neither Bush Sr. or Reagan were disliked as much as Bush. Trump is disliked significantly more than Bush because at least Bush had basic human dignity. Trump is a man of extremely low moral character. I disliked him well before he became president, and watching many Christians line up behind him made me realize just how shallow that version of Christianity has become. Trump represents the antithesis of the teachings of Christ, ranging from fidelity, to humility, to not craving material things, yet he is somehow been appointed as the savior of the Christian right in the US. Bill Clinton was a man of low moral character, but Trump makes him look like a choir boy by comparison.

 

[whatbogsends]

No. I don't think so. The venom against Trump (and anyone who supports him) is unprecedented in my lifetime.

I'm really believing at this point we are close to civil war, and there is no help for it.

The only time nations become this polarized is before civil war..

You must've slept through Obama's presidency. There was easily as much venom directed against Obama, and he was civil to those who disrespected him.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

So what did Clinton mean when he said it?

Generally speaking...the same sentiment as Reagan. Talks about addressing certain economic issues that were present as a result of some of the failed Bush-1 policies.

There's a difference between appealing to "let's get our economy back on track" vs. appealing to some 1950's nostalgia (and much of the social baggage that was tied to it)

 

[EpiscipalMe]

He probably wouldn't have waited until Pearl Harbor to finally do something. That's for sure.

He would have been praising Hitler's "strong leadership" and throwing our allies under the bus long before Pearl Harbor.

 

[LoAmmi]

He probably wouldn't have waited until Pearl Harbor to finally do something. That's for sure.

He probably would have been part of the America First movement that wanted to side with Hitler.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

Let me be clear, nobody ever said or suggested that America was ever perfect. It has been far from perfect. However, in striving to become "A more perfect union", there has been uncountable times when America demonstrated "greatness".

As an American service member in the Armed Forces, I have a deeper respect for "American Greatness" after traveling to many countries that aren't so "Great". Try going to places like Djibouti, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and Yemen and see if you still think "America was never great". In fact, I am currently typing this thread from an undisclosed location in a very "not so great" country. Try going on a missions trip to third world Africa, China, or North Korea and see if your perception of "American Greatness" remains unchanged.

People spend too much attention on things like "White Privilege" or "Male Privilege". But I tell you that there is an "American Privilege" that is prevalent not only on this tread but in the entire country. It is when people like you and many others have taken for granted the blessings that they have ungratefully received and ignorantly taken for granted. America was never Great? Try telling that to the families of the men and women who gave their lives for it. Try telling that to my Mexican in-laws and millions of others who gave up everything they had and waited patiently for years to become American citizens.

Perhaps you are correct that it isn't appropriate to say "Make America Great Again". Not because it was never great. Rather, because it always was and still is "Great". I believe that anyone who disagrees with this statement is ungrateful and is experiencing an amnesia of the blessings this Country has brought to countless people across the world and continues to do so today.

I will close with this. American Greatness is not a "period of time". It is the brave and courageous American men and women who make this country "Great".

You didn't address the fact that Trump lied about coining the 'Make America Great Again' phrase.

First of all, Donald Trump tried to claim that he coined the phrase "Make America Great Again," which is a blatant lie because the phrase was first used by Ronald Reagan.

Trump said, and I quote: "The line of 'Make America great again,' the phrase, that was mine, I came up with it about a year ago, and I kept using it, and everybody's now using it, they are all loving it, I don't know, I guess I should copyright it, maybe I have copyrighted it."

However, he was lying when he said he had coined the phrase and it was his.

‘Make America Great Again’—Who Said It First?

Throughout his campaign, Donald Trump has been consistent about one thing: His promise that he is going to "Make America Great Again."

The Republican nominee claims he coined the slogan at some point in 2014. He once even accused Ted Cruz of ripping him off when the Texas senator used the phrase in his own presidential campaign announcement. But Trump is not the first politician to use the phrase.

Ronald Reagan repeatedly promised to “make America great again” during his 1980 presidential campaign. He, too, used it as slogan on campaign merchandise.

 

[USincognito]

Dems will treat any Republican POTUS as they are treating Trump. We know this just by the fact that that's how they've treated every Republican POTUS of recent memory.

And Republicans treated Democratic Presidents with all the respect accorded the office...

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Dems will treat any Republican POTUS as they are treating Trump. We know this just by the fact that that's how they've treated every Republican POTUS of recent memory.

I don't recall either Bush getting the same treatment. You had a fringe who bought into the Michael Moore conspiracy stuff. There was an anti-Bush sentiment that kicked in due to his ill-though out Iraq involvement...but that was a bit different than what we're seeing now.

There's gonna come a time when people after admit that Trump does have some responsibility for the outrage against him and it's not just because "the Dems are sore losers".

What we're seeing not is outrage at some of his rhetoric, combined with a little bit of retaliation for how the GOP treated Obama like a second class citizen for the better part of a decade.

 

[USincognito]

No. I don't think so. The venom against Trump (and anyone who supports him) is unprecedented in my lifetime.

I'm really believing at this point we are close to civil war, and there is no help for it.

The only time nations become this polarized is before civil war..

What? You don't remember the militia movements in the 90s? Limbaugh's TV show declaring America was "under siege"?

 

[USincognito]

His being spied on by the party in power is only a drop in the bucket of unprecedented occurrences these last couple years.

What in the world are you talking about?

 

[USincognito]

You have to wonder how much he had to bribe Clinton and/or associates to do business in NY state??

You mean time travel Clinton who went back and became governor of New York in 1975?

 

[USincognito]

Del because I'll wind up getting the warning

 

[USincognito]

Are you serious? I see the same references to civil war from the guys over at fox comment sections who want to scare “leftists” into thinking they are going to come out from behind their keyboard and stat shooting us.

Please tell us in detail how a civil war would start. How coworkers would take sides and start shooting each other, how neighbors would start attacking each other, and how parents would declare their children enemies. People avoid even talking about politics with family and coworkers who are on the “other side,” yet you think we are going to all give up our comfortable lives and start killing each other? That is beyond ridiculous.

I have to roll my eyes whenever I see the inane civil war rheteric.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

Seems like a tacit admission that the "MAGA" slogan is a promise he can't keep, since even you admit that such a "golden age" never existed. That's progress, I suppose.
Ringo

When was the alleged Golden Age, if I may ask? Was it during the time in American history when black people were still legally segregated and the Jim Crow laws were still in effect?

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

You didn't address the fact that Trump lied about coining the 'Make America Great Again' phrase.

First of all, Donald Trump tried to claim that he coined the phrase "Make America Great Again," which is a blatant lie because the phrase was first used by Ronald Reagan.

Trump said, and I quote: "The line of 'Make America great again,' the phrase, that was mine, I came up with it about a year ago, and I kept using it, and everybody's now using it, they are all loving it, I don't know, I guess I should copyright it, maybe I have copyrighted it."

However, he was lying when he said he had coined the phrase and it was his.

‘Make America Great Again’—Who Said It First?

Throughout his campaign, Donald Trump has been consistent about one thing: His promise that he is going to "Make America Great Again."

The Republican nominee claims he coined the slogan at some point in 2014. He once even accused Ted Cruz of ripping him off when the Texas senator used the phrase in his own presidential campaign announcement. But Trump is not the first politician to use the phrase.

Ronald Reagan repeatedly promised to “make America great again” during his 1980 presidential campaign. He, too, used it as slogan on campaign merchandise.

I didn't address it because he later stated that he did not remember Regan using it. After he did, he had it registered for campaign purposes. Stating something falsely that he believes to be true is not lying. It is just simply being wrong. The second reason why I didn't address your comment is because it is a strawman argument that distracts from the main question of the thread. Unless you are suggesting that it is appropriate to "feel offended" of someone wearing a "MAGA" hat because you believe Trump lied about coining it, it has absolutely nothing to do with anything. Are you now satisfied with your response?

 

[Belk]

Simple question.

Why was this Okay, and this is offensive?
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You are aware this is a loaded question? Why do you presume the people object to it because they find it offensive?

 

[USincognito]

Again I say, American "Greatness" is not a period of time in American History, it is the brave and courageous men and women who make this country great. Seeing how your profile says you are in France, I am sure the French would agree that the Americans were demonstrating greatness when they liberated Paris from Nazi occupation.

He's British, but by your logic than would also mean the British, Canadians, Free French, Free Poles. etc. were exhibiting greatness as well.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

He's British, but by your logic than would also mean the British, Canadians, Free French, Free Poles. etc. were exhibiting greatness as well.

Yes! Absolutely!

 

[ThatRobGuy]

When was the alleged Golden Age, if I may ask? Was it during the time in American history when black people were still legally segregated and the Jim Crow laws were still in effect?

For many of his supporters, the "great" time they wanted to go back to "again" is when their personal religious views were given preferential treatment and elevated societal status and they could relegate those who didn't conform to secondary status.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

For many of his supporters, the "great" time they wanted to go back to "again" is when their personal religious views were given preferential treatment and elevated societal status and they could relegate those who didn't conform to secondary status.

I don't doubt that in the least. I googled 'Golden Age of America' and one article said it was the 1950s.