Why is Hell permanent?

[Sadalmelik]

torture and punishment that serves no purpose 'for the better of', is sadistic, by nature, definition, etc., if God thought it ok to punish and torture, just for the heck of it....He would have not found human children sacrifices to be an abomination, as scripture said He did

 

[Sadalmelik]

Sounds like you're saying that God's people don't receive eternal life.

had you read post 138, youd see what im saying, but since you just like to ignore half of what i write, and just argue and attack, you probably missed that.

 

[dollarsbill]

torture and punishment that serves no purpose 'for the better of', is sadistic, by nature, definition, etc., if God thought it ok to punish and torture, just for the heck of it....He would have not found human children sacrifices to be an abomination, as scripture said He did

Still waiting for you to tell us who gives God orders.

1 Samuel 2:6 (NASB)
6 "The LORD kills and makes alive;

 

[dollarsbill]

had you read post 138, youd see what im saying, but since you just like to ignore half of what i write, and just argue and attack, you probably missed that.

No attack necessary. Just discussing the Bible.

 

[Sadalmelik]

Still waiting for you to tell us who gives God orders.

1 Samuel 2:6 (NASB)
6 "The LORD kills and makes alive;

apparently you, because your insistent on your god punishing and tormenting people, so that in your own mind, justice can be served. unfortunate for you, that is NOT what it says in the bible, and thats not what the true God does, and is. Love and mercy, which God is, doesnt punish and torture for no purpose. nor does the bible say this, so from what i see, the eternal hellfire folks are the only ones making demands on God.

 

[Sadalmelik]

No attack necessary. Just discussing the Bible.

if that were the case, then you wouldnt have questioned me on believing that the saved wouldnt recv eternal life, as you did in post 140, cause as i clearly stated in post 138, i said the saved did recv eternal life..so again, my point stands.

 

[Sophrosyne]

1timothy
14 to keep the commandment unstained and free from reproach until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15 which he will display at the proper time—he who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords, 16 who alone has immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom no one has ever seen or can see. To him be honor and eternal dominion. Amen.


scripture seems to disagree with your view, that humans have immortality,from the above verse, and others, it says the complete opposite.

Not really. Jesus had the power to heal, to raise the dead thus he was because of this the only man ever that could have lived forever on earth without dying. Most do not equate immortality with what is beyond death but never dying at all.

 

[dollarsbill]

apparently you, because your insistent on your god punishing and tormenting people, so that in your own mind, justice can be served. unfortunate for you, that is NOT what it says in the bible, and thats not what the true God does, and is. Love and mercy, which God is, doesnt punish and torture for no purpose. nor does the bible say this, so from what i see, the eternal hellfire folks are the only ones making demands on God.

He can do whatever He pleases, including creating the 'eternal fire'. YOUR love doctrine must ignore much of the Bible. The Flood, Sodom, eternal punishment, and on and on.

Proverbs 16:4 (NASB)
4 The LORD has made everything for its own purpose, Even the wicked for the day of evil.

 

[Sadalmelik]

Not really. Jesus had the power to heal, to raise the dead thus he was because of this the only man ever that could have lived forever on earth without dying. Most do not equate immortality with what is beyond death but never dying at all.

your response interjects your own words, thoughts, etc

this is not what the verse says, you may add words all you want to change the meaning/interpretation of it....ill stick with what it says, and wont be adding any words, thoughts, and ideas to it, in order to make it conform to something i want it to say.

it says only He is immortal, by saying we humans are somehow inherently immortal, your placing humans equal to Him, and that logic, imo will not turn out to well for ya.

 

[dollarsbill]

if that were the case, then you wouldnt have questioned me on believing that the saved wouldnt recv eternal life, as you did in post 140, cause as i clearly stated in post 138, i said the saved did recv eternal life..so again, my point stands.

You wrote:
"scripture seems to disagree with your view, that humans have immortality,"

"1 Corinthians 15:53-54

English Standard Version (ESV)

53 For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality."

Which is it?

 

[Sadalmelik]

He can do whatever He pleases, including creating the 'eternal fire'. YOUR love doctrine must ignore much of the Bible. The Flood, Sodom, eternal punishment, and on and on.

Proverbs 16:4 (NASB)
4 The LORD has made everything for its own purpose, Even the wicked for the day of evil.

as stated, your logic is faulted by your confusing thngs done for a purpose, and an eternal hell which would serve no purpose....big difference, sorry if its to confusing for you to understand....perhaps looking up the definition of 'sadistic' would help

 

[dollarsbill]

as stated, your logic is faulted by your confusing thngs done for a purpose, and an eternal hell which would serve no purpose....big difference, sorry if its to confusing for you to understand....perhaps looking up the definition of 'sadistic' would help

It's not MY 'logic'.

Revelation 20:10 (NASB)
10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

And I suggest that you not call it sadistic.

 

[Sadalmelik]

im not sure what you dont understand? there is nothing contradicting in anything i wrote....you might want to go back an read again, untill it makes sense....because in order, the posts ive written make perfect sense, and in no way contradict one another......

 

[Sophrosyne]

It's not MY 'logic'.

Revelation 20:10 (NASB)
10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

And I suggest that you not call it sadistic.

calling God a torturer and sadistic is the way that they can reject him. Essentially a variation of a straw man. The make a false God and then claim this is our idea of God and then reject that God and say we are wrong and they are right.

 

[Sadalmelik]

It's not MY 'logic'.

Revelation 20:10 (NASB)
10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

And I suggest that you not call it sadistic.

i know you would prefer it to be called loving, merciful, and just, because it then, somehow, might make you feel better about it....but that would be contradicting everything God wired my body with....

because everything in me....my brain, logic, heart, soul, feeling, etc, it all says, that burning someone, and keeping them alive, without everending, just so they could suffer, is completely opposite to what i believe to be loving, merciful, and just.....

so ill stick for calling it what it is......sadistic.


perhaps your god just likes to confuse people, eh?, wire them with the ability to love, show mercy, and be just, as well as forgive.....

and then tell them it is loving, merciful, showing mercy and forgiveness to fry someone for all eternity.....gotcha.

 

[Sadalmelik]

calling God a torturer and sadistic is the way that they can reject him. Essentially a variation of a straw man. The make a false God and then claim this is our idea of God and then reject that God and say we are wrong and they are right.

nope no strawman here, nor saying your wrong and im right.....

there is no need for pride, when i can read, (for myself), without someone elses interpretation for me, what the words (in orig texts) said, and it lines up perfectly well, that there is no hell in the bible.

hell was invented by man, for his own selfish reasons.

 

[dollarsbill]

i know you would prefer it to be called loving, merciful, and just, because it then, somehow, might make you feel better about it....but that would be contradicting everything God wired my body with....

because everything in me....my brain, logic, heart, soul, feeling, etc, it all says, that burning someone, and keeping them alive, without everending, just so they could suffer, is completely opposite to what i believe to be loving, merciful, and just.....

so ill stick for calling it what it is......sadistic.;)

That's what the Judgment is all about. We will all stand before God to answer for what we have said and done. Whether you reject it or not the Genesis Flood, the burning of Sodom, the curse of Dt 28, the wrath of God in Revelation, the eternal Hell are all in the Bible. He is loving to those who repent, but eternal WOE unto those who rebel against Him. All the denials and deniers in the world will not prevent God from dealing with His enemies.

 

[dollarsbill]

perhaps your god just likes to confuse people, eh?, wire them with the ability to love, show mercy, and be just, as well as forgive.....

and then tell them it is loving, merciful, showing mercy and forgiveness to fry someone for all eternity.....gotcha.

He tells us what to do. He doesn't have to ask your permission to punish the wicked forever. He is indeed merciful to all who repent.

 

[Sadalmelik]

<H3>Jeremiah 32:34-35

English Standard Version (ESV)

34 They set up their abominations in the house that is called by my name, to defile it. 35 They built the high places of Baal in the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, to offer up their sons and daughters to Molech, though I did not command them, nor did it enter into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.


God found it an abomination, when people were burnt in a fire, there isnt much stronger wording for rejection of something than....abomination.

and since God is unchanging, i dont think, that God would have changed His mind on this.....so really not sure how yall can get past the fact that scripture says the thought of burning people alive 'never entered my mind', and is an 'abomination', then turns around and does it Himself......sorry, but your logic makes absolutely no sense to me, and is in complete contradiction to what the bible says, and what the truth is.

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[dollarsbill]

<H3>Jeremiah 32:34-35

English Standard Version (ESV)

34 They set up their abominations in the house that is called by my name, to defile it. 35 They built the high places of Baal in the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, to offer up their sons and daughters to Molech, though I did not command them, nor did it enter into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.


God found it an abomination, when people were burnt in a fire, there isnt much stronger wording for rejection of something than....abomination.

and since God is unchanging, i dont think, that God would have changed His mind on this.....so really not sure how yall can get past the fact that scripture says the thought of burning people alive 'never entered my mind', and is an 'abomination', then turns around and does it Himself......sorry, but your logic makes absolutely no sense to me.

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Again, you're confusing what God does and what He tells us to do. He is the perfect Judge. You are not.