Definition for death - Oxford Dictionaries Online (World English)
Actually, death does mean "cease to exist".
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Sophrosyne
Let Your Light Shine.. Matt 5:16
Matthew 8:22
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
22 But Jesus *said to him, (A)Follow Me, and allow the dead to bury their own dead.
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I never could figure out what Jesus was talking about in that verse. How can dead people bury their own dead? How do they pick up the shovel?
What do you think He meant?
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Matthew 8:22
Follow Me, and allow the dead to bury their own dead.
Let the Dead Bury Their Dead
McCane suggests an interpretation that is consistent with first-century Jewish burial practices (1990:40-41). After a body was placed in a burial cave, it was left to decompose. The family mourned for seven days. This initial mourning period was followed by a less intense 30-day period of mourning, called shloshim. However, the entire mourning period was not fully over until the flesh of the deceased had decomposed, usually about a year later. The Jerusalem Talmud states: When the flesh had wasted away, the bones were collected and placed in chests (ossuaries). On that day (the son) mourned, but the following day he was glad, because his forebears rested from judgment (Moed Qatan 1:5).
Follow Me, and allow the dead to bury their own dead.
Let the Dead Bury Their Dead
McCane suggests an interpretation that is consistent with first-century Jewish burial practices (1990:40-41). After a body was placed in a burial cave, it was left to decompose. The family mourned for seven days. This initial mourning period was followed by a less intense 30-day period of mourning, called shloshim. However, the entire mourning period was not fully over until the flesh of the deceased had decomposed, usually about a year later. The Jerusalem Talmud states: When the flesh had wasted away, the bones were collected and placed in chests (ossuaries). On that day (the son) mourned, but the following day he was glad, because his forebears rested from judgment (Moed Qatan 1:5).
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Sadalmelik
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actually in human terms, as is stated in verse 19 (romans 6), death in human terms means just that......death. possibly in some other dimension death means something else....but the bible was written in our dimension, and last i knew, death means death....the only way it doesnt mean death, is when you add your own words and meanings to it, and that would not be a correct way of interpreting scipture.
in regards to 1timothy 5:6, nice try, but this is like comparing apples to oranges....it obviously qualifies what is being shown as death, as being something other than life and death as we know it....unfortunate for you, that there is NO other scripture like this, or even similiar to this one....when it is speaking of hell, and death for the wicked...not even close. your using ideas, meanings, and interpretations from other verses to try to prove your logic in regards to something completely different., makes no sense, and it doesnt work.
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dollarsbill
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He meant they are LOST, NOT SAVED. That is spiritual death. As is 'the second death'. They will still exist.
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I agree, but perhaps the living dead woman from 1 Timothy 5:6 is the dead person who will bury the dead from Matthew 8:22?
My head hurts just thinking about this stuff. Time for a movie!
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Oh, I see.
Thanks. So does this mean that saved people are not allowed to have funerals for their parents? BTW, I don't know what "spiritual death" is. I haven't seen that term in the bible. Is it anything like actual death, the kind of death where a person ceases to exist?
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Hi Dollarsbill!
No, after I die I will be resurrected to eternal life. All who are in Christ will be resurrected to eternal life. Those who are not in Christ will die the second death and will cease to exist, as the bible says "They will be no more."
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dollarsbill
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Death that is not 'physical' death is taught throughout the Bible. There are several instances in OT and NT.
Yeah, 'spiritual death', not saved.
If you are referring to I Tim 5:6 you are quite wrong. There are several throughout the Bible.
Ephesians 2:4-5 (NASB)
4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),
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Sophrosyne
Let Your Light Shine.. Matt 5:16
Ephesians 2:5
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
5 even when we were (A)dead [a]in our transgressions, made us alive together [b]with Christ ((B)by grace you have been saved),
(just noticed db posted the same scripture before I did)
Romans 8:10
If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness.
Matthew 23:27
“ Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which on the outside appear beautiful, but inside they are full of dead men’s bones and all uncleanness.
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dollarsbill
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That would be their choice, don't you think?
It's kind of like the 'rapture' doctrine. 'Rapture' isn't mentioned but the doctrine is in the NT. As is 'spiritual death', but in several places in the Bible.
Genesis 2:17 (NASB)
17 but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die."
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dollarsbill
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Everyone will be resurrected who died.
John 5:28-29 (KJV)
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
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Ephesians 2:5
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
5 even when we were (A)dead [a]in our transgressions, made us alive together [b]with Christ ((B)by grace you have been saved),
(just noticed db posted the same scripture before I did)
Romans 8:10
If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness.
Matthew 23:27
Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which on the outside appear beautiful, but inside they are full of dead mens bones and all uncleanness.
If Matthew 8:22 means "Unsaved People" when He says "The Dead" then this would put a prohibition on Christian Burials. All of us Christians, (the "spiritually alive") would have to hire unsaved people (the "spiritually dead") to perform the burials for our relatives. Nobody does that, usually we try to find a holy man to perform the funeral rites.
This can't be what Jesus meant when He said "Let the dead bury their own dead."
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Sophrosyne
Let Your Light Shine.. Matt 5:16
Matthew 22:32
‘ I AM THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, AND THE GOD OF ISAAC, AND THE GOD OF JACOB’? He is not the God of the dead but of the living.”
When one sins..... their is a spiritual disconnection between them and God. As God is the source of life then one disconnected from the source dies and is dead. If you ever had a two way radio and someone on the other end didn't know that their radio broke then you would not be able to hear them and would say their radio is dead.
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Due to the everchanging nature of language, the KJV is misleading on John 5:29 - "the resurrection of damnation." The greek is εἰς ἀνάστασιν κρίσεως into a resurrection of judgment. Also, please consider that this says that those who have done good will go into the resurrection of life. Those who commit evil will also go into the resurrection of life, in order to be tormented for all eternity? The wages of sin is death, those that are go to the resurrection of judgment will perish. they die the second death.
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In my belief system; Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are among those who are saved. They inherit eternal life.
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Sophrosyne
Let Your Light Shine.. Matt 5:16
There are two types of "dead" in this verse. The man was given a choice to follow Jesus or bury his father and to choose "NOT" Jesus at that time meant rejecting Jesus.
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I agree, God is the source of life. That's why those who are not in Christ perish and are no more. They have been separated from the source of life, so they can not have eternal life. They are dead, they are no more.
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