WHY IS DANIEL 9:24-27 ONE OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT PASSAGES IN SCRIPTURE ?

[jgr]

The people of the Prince. If people consider the Prince to be Jesus. The antecedent being The Messiah in question

Let us revisit the verse...

And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

I don't believe the people of the Messiah were those who said we want Barrabbas. Meaning after his father. This Barrabbas seems to typify the saying, after your father the Devil.

It seems that the Jews were not coming against Jerusalem as a invading flood that overruns, if they were there in the first, in the besieging of Jerusalem. Let alone would they have been identified as the Messiah's people. It is highly suggestive that the Roman people would have been Christianized as the Gentiles who were once called not God's people, but now are become Messiah's people, due to Apostle Paul's ministry.



I don't doubt that they became suicidal. But this is where God's wrath determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Notice the false dichotomy, in that the Jews could not be declared desolate and at the same time Messiah's people.



Yes.

Not sure I follow, so can you condense your arguments down to a couple sentences or so; thanks.

 

[Quasar92]

Aren't you grateful that you don't have to offer animal sacrifices?

That's because the grammatical antecedent of all of the "he's" in verse 27 is Messiah the Prince.

Rejoice and be exceeding glad.

The making of a covenant, in Dan.9:27:

What is it that "he" will do? The antichrist will "make a firm covenant with the many for one week," that is seven years. Non-literal interpreters of Daniel’s seventy-week prophecy usually attempt to make this covenant a reference to Christ’s covenant to save His people, usually known as the covenant of grace. "This, then, is a confirming of a covenant already extant, i.e., the covenant of God’s redemptive grace that Christ confirms (Rom. 15:8)," claims Dr. Gentry. Dr. Gentry and those advocating a similar view, must resort to a non-textual, theological interpretation at this point since there was no seven-year covenant made by Christ with the Jewish people at the time of His first coming. They must back off from the specifics of the text in verse 27 and import in a theological interpretation, thus providing us with a classic example of spiritualization or allegorical interpretation.

If this is supposed to be a reference to the covenant of grace, then "it may be observed first that this would be a strange way to express such a thought," notes Dr. Wood. Christ’s salvation covenant is not limited to seven years rather it is an eternal covenant. Daniel 9:27 says the covenant is to be made with "the many." This term always refers in some way to Israel throughout the book of Daniel (Daniel 11:33, 39; 12:3). Thus it is a narrow term, used in a specific context. It is not a broad term, synonymous with the language of global salvation. Further, "it is evident that the covenant is subsequent to the cutting off of Messiah and the destruction of the City and the Sanctuary, in the twenty-sixth verse; therefore, it could not have been confirmed at the First Advent," says G. H. Pember. Such an interpretation does not fit this text and it does not account for the seven years that Gabriel says this covenant will be in place. Dr. Wood further explains:

Since a covenant as described in verse 27 has not yet taken place in reference to the nation of Israel, it must therefore follow that this will be a yet to occur future event. This then, demands a postponement of the seventieth week with a gap of time between the sixty-ninth and seventieth weeks of years.

This passage clearly says that the length of the covenant that "he" will make will be for one week or seven years. I suppose that this could mean either that the covenant will be predetermined to last seven years or that it does not specify a length of time when made, but as it turns out, is only in existence for seven years. Many of those who believe that the entire prophecy of the seventy weeks has already been fulfilled around the time of Christ’s first coming teach that the first half of the seventieth week was fulfilled by Christ’s ministry. "We know Christ’s three-and-one-half-year ministry," says Dr. Gentry, "was decidedly focused on the Jews in the first half of the seventieth week (Matt. 10:5b; cf. Matt. 15:24)." G. H. Pember objects to such a view with the following:

Once again we have seen in this installment on the seventy weeks that the text of this passage supports a gap of time between the sixty-ninth and seventieth weeks. It is becoming increasingly obvious that the seventieth week is still future to the time in which we now live. "Israel has now been reestablished as a nation (1948), suggesting that the seventieth seven may soon begin."

By: Thomas Ice, PhD.


Quasar92

 

[The Times]

Not sure I follow, so can you condense your arguments down to a couple sentences or so; thanks.

The antecedent to the Prince who confirms the covenant in one week, is the Messiah that the Jews rejected. At the same time, Roman's who were not God's people, were Christianised by the likes of Paul and then were called Messiah's people. That is where Jesus hinted his Kingdom, will go to another peoples. Rome symbolised the boiling point of all nations and cultures.

So the flood that came, was a foreign army from the north, by which the gates of Jerusalem were overrun and those who were declared as desolate by Jesus, received the due wrath of God, for their utter contempt for the Messiah.

They failed to uphold the six conditions of Daniel and by so doing, they were declared by Jesus the first to hear the gospel, yet the last to receive it as the 11th hour workmen. Whereas the Gentiles who were the last to hear it, became the first to receive it and were commissioned as the 3rd, 6th and 9th hour workmen. Until the fullness of the Gentiles comes, then it would be the Jews to finally come to repentance and acceptance of the Gospel by faith.

In conclusion, the last remaining half of Daniel's week, remains for Daniel's people, where the Church, along with them, will be martyred in numbers as the symbolic witnesses of Revelation.

 

[jgr]

The making of a covenant, in Dan.9:27:

What is it that "he" will do? The antichrist will "make a firm covenant with the many for one week," that is seven years. Non-literal interpreters of Daniel’s seventy-week prophecy usually attempt to make this covenant a reference to Christ’s covenant to save His people, usually known as the covenant of grace. "This, then, is a confirming of a covenant already extant, i.e., the covenant of God’s redemptive grace that Christ confirms (Rom. 15:8)," claims Dr. Gentry. Dr. Gentry and those advocating a similar view, must resort to a non-textual, theological interpretation at this point since there was no seven-year covenant made by Christ with the Jewish people at the time of His first coming. They must back off from the specifics of the text in verse 27 and import in a theological interpretation, thus providing us with a classic example of spiritualization or allegorical interpretation.

If this is supposed to be a reference to the covenant of grace, then "it may be observed first that this would be a strange way to express such a thought," notes Dr. Wood. Christ’s salvation covenant is not limited to seven years rather it is an eternal covenant. Daniel 9:27 says the covenant is to be made with "the many." This term always refers in some way to Israel throughout the book of Daniel (Daniel 11:33, 39; 12:3). Thus it is a narrow term, used in a specific context. It is not a broad term, synonymous with the language of global salvation. Further, "it is evident that the covenant is subsequent to the cutting off of Messiah and the destruction of the City and the Sanctuary, in the twenty-sixth verse; therefore, it could not have been confirmed at the First Advent," says G. H. Pember. Such an interpretation does not fit this text and it does not account for the seven years that Gabriel says this covenant will be in place. Dr. Wood further explains:

Since a covenant as described in verse 27 has not yet taken place in reference to the nation of Israel, it must therefore follow that this will be a yet to occur future event. This then, demands a postponement of the seventieth week with a gap of time between the sixty-ninth and seventieth weeks of years.

This passage clearly says that the length of the covenant that "he" will make will be for one week or seven years. I suppose that this could mean either that the covenant will be predetermined to last seven years or that it does not specify a length of time when made, but as it turns out, is only in existence for seven years. Many of those who believe that the entire prophecy of the seventy weeks has already been fulfilled around the time of Christ’s first coming teach that the first half of the seventieth week was fulfilled by Christ’s ministry. "We know Christ’s three-and-one-half-year ministry," says Dr. Gentry, "was decidedly focused on the Jews in the first half of the seventieth week (Matt. 10:5b; cf. Matt. 15:24)." G. H. Pember objects to such a view with the following:

Once again we have seen in this installment on the seventy weeks that the text of this passage supports a gap of time between the sixty-ninth and seventieth weeks. It is becoming increasingly obvious that the seventieth week is still future to the time in which we now live. "Israel has now been reestablished as a nation (1948), suggesting that the seventieth seven may soon begin."

By: Thomas Ice, PhD.


Quasar92

Ice avoids any grammatical discussion of the passage.

It is grammatically and syntactically impossible for the "he's" in Daniel 9:27 to be antichrist if antichrist is seen nowhere as a reference point in the passage or the chapter.

Messiah the Prince is the only antecedent correctly conforming to the grammatical and syntactical rules of the language.

 

[jgr]

The antecedent to the Prince who confirms the covenant in one week, is the Messiah that the Jews rejected.

In Daniel 9:24-27, Messiah the Prince in verse 25 is Himself the antecedent to the "he's" in verse 27.

 

[The Times]

In Daniel 9:24-27, Messiah the Prince in verse 25 is Himself the antecedent to the "he's" in verse 27.

It is talking about God's covenant. Many being the Gentiles, as in many nations, who were under Rome.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Ice avoids any grammatical discussion of the passage.

Exactly! So was Quasar!

It is grammatically and syntactically impossible for the "he's" in Daniel 9:27 to be antichrist if antichrist is seen nowhere as a reference point in the passage or the chapter.

There you go!

Messiah the Prince is the only antecedent correctly conforming to the grammatical and syntactical rules of the language.

Right!

 

[The Times]

He shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease.

The many is the Gentile nations of the world. If it was with Daniel's people the Jews, then it would say "confirm the covenant with your people".

We need to be aware that the Gentile nations of the world were Rome and Rome consisted of the Gentile nations of the world, under Rome's umbrella of control.

Confirming the covenant with the many nations under Rome. Hence the people of the Prince (Messiah), are the Gentile natioms under Rome who besieged Jerusalem and when they entered in, they were like a foreign invading force, who came onto the Jews like an unstoppable flood.

Were the six conditions met by Daniel's people, the Jews?

No, hence the consequence was that....

for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate

The Jewish sacrifices that continued after the Cross, were declared by God as abominations, that God brought to an end.

even until the consummation,

These Jewish sacrifices were ended, even before the consummation, meaning end, that pointed to 70AD.

and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The wrath or punishment determined upon the Jews, because they failed to meet the the 6 conditions, was to end them with their sacrifices.

Pretty strong and angry language. The desolate being the Jews. Jesus did say, look your house is left onto you desolate. Daniel uses the word Jesus used, that being desolate.

My question is....

Will the first be the last to embrace the gospel as a nation of people?

If Yes, then we are in the last remaining 3.5 days of Daniel's 70th week.

Full Preterists say that 70 AD was the 70th week completed.

It cannot be, because the 6 conditions are not yet met.

 

[Davy]

He shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease.

The many is the Gentile nations of the world. If it was with Daniel's people the Jews, then it would say "confirm the covenant with your people".

We need to be aware that the Gentile nations of the world were Rome and Rome consisted of the Gentile nations of the world, under Rome's umbrella of control.

Confirming the covenant with the many nations under Rome. Hence the people of the Prince (Messiah), are the Gentile natioms under Rome who besieged Jerusalem and when they entered in, they were like a foreign invading force, who came onto the Jews like an unstoppable flood.

Were the six conditions met by Daniel's people, the Jews?

No, hence the consequence was that....

for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate

The Jewish sacrifices that continued after the Cross, were declared by God as abominations, that God brought to an end.

even until the consummation,

These Jewish sacrifices were ended, even before the consummation, meaning end, that pointed to 70AD.

and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The wrath or punishment determined upon the Jews, because they failed to meet the the 6 conditions, was to end them with their sacrifices.

Pretty strong and angry language. The desolate being the Jews. Jesus did say, look your house is left onto you desolate. Daniel uses the word Jesus used, that being desolate.

My question is....

Will the first be the last to embrace the gospel as a nation of people?

If Yes, then we are in the last remaining 3.5 days of Daniel's 70th week.

Full Preterists say that 70 AD was the 70th week completed.

It cannot be, because the 6 conditions are not yet met.

The actual Dan.9:24 prophecy was about Jerusalem and Daniel's people, not the Gentile nations. Rome did have a part, i.e., about the prince that would come to destroy the city and sanctuary (70 A.D.). But the end coming as a flood, and the coming desolator, is about the one in Dan.9:27 that will take Jerusalem, make the "league" of Rev.11, and allow another temple to be built with old covenant sacrifices again, and in the midst of the "one week" (7 years) will instead end those sacrifices and place the abomination idol that makes the temple spiritually desolate.

 

[The Times]

The actual Dan.9:24 prophecy was about Jerusalem and Daniel's people, not the Gentile nations. Rome did have a part, i.e., about the prince that would come to destroy the city and sanctuary (70 A.D.). But the end coming as a flood, and the coming desolator, is about the one in Dan.9:27 that will take Jerusalem, make the "league" of Rev.11, and allow another temple to be built with old covenant sacrifices again, and in the midst of the "one week" (7 years) will instead end those sacrifices and place the abomination idol that makes the temple spiritually desolate.

Jesus made his covenant with many Jews before 70AD?

Jesus made his covenant with many Gentile nations before 70AD?

Is it the Prince who comes to destroy the city and the sanctuary (70AD)?

Is it the people of the Prince who come to destroy the city and the sanctuary (70AD)?

Who is the Prince?

Who are the people of the Prince?

Does it say that the Prince builds another temple?

Does it say that Old Covenant sacrifices are established again after the Cross of Christ?

How can you make those questions in harmony with the 1st Century and the future rebuilt temple?

 

[Davy]

Jesus made his covenant with many Jews before 70AD?

No covenant was made by Jesus and the orthodox unbelieving Jews. They instead rejected Him and had Him crucified. The covenant of Dan.9:27 is the "league" of Dan.11 that the "vile person" will make in Jerusalem.

Furthermore, the New Covenant is not that covenant of Dan.9. The Daniel 9:27 Scripture reveals a false one coming to make a covenant for 7 years ("one week" symbol) and in the middle of the week ending it. Jesus did no such thing, as The New Covenant is an Everlasting Covenant. Even comparing a covenant that is broken to that New Covenant could be construed as close to blasphemy, since Daniel 11 shows that "league" the "vile person" makes is definitely not our Lord Jesus.

 

[The Times]

No covenant was made by Jesus and the orthodox unbelieving Jews. They instead rejected Him and had Him crucified. The covenant of Dan.9:27 is the "league" of Dan.11 that the "vile person" will make in Jerusalem.

Furthermore, the New Covenant is not that covenant of Dan.9. The Daniel 9:27 Scripture reveals a false one coming to make a covenant for 7 years ("one week" symbol) and in the middle of the week ending it. Jesus did no such thing, as The New Covenant is an Everlasting Covenant. Even comparing a covenant that is broken to that New Covenant could be construed as close to blasphemy, since Daniel 11 shows that "league" the "vile person" makes is definitely not our Lord Jesus.

Where is Messiah's covenant, concerning the 70th week prophecy?

 

[BABerean2]

Where is Messiah's covenant, concerning the 70th week prophecy?

Mat 26:28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.


Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.


Heb 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
Heb 8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH— (from Jeremiah 31:31-34)
Heb 8:9 NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS IN THE DAY WHEN I TOOK THEM BY THE HAND TO LEAD THEM OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT; BECAUSE THEY DID NOT CONTINUE IN MY COVENANT, AND I DISREGARDED THEM, SAYS THE LORD.
Heb 8:10 FOR THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS IN THEIR MIND AND WRITE THEM ON THEIR HEARTS; AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE.
Heb 8:11 NONE OF THEM SHALL TEACH HIS NEIGHBOR, AND NONE HIS BROTHER, SAYING, 'KNOW THE LORD,' FOR ALL SHALL KNOW ME, FROM THE LEAST OF THEM TO THE GREATEST OF THEM.
Heb 8:12 FOR I WILL BE MERCIFUL TO THEIR UNRIGHTEOUSNESS, AND THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE."
Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.


Heb 10:16 "THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THEM AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR HEARTS, AND IN THEIR MINDS I WILL WRITE THEM,"
Heb 10:17 then He adds, "THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE."
(from Jeremiah 31:31-34)
Heb 10:18 Now where there is remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin.

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[The Times]

Mat 26:28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.


Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.


Heb 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
Heb 8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH— (from Jeremiah 31:31-34)
Heb 8:9 NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS IN THE DAY WHEN I TOOK THEM BY THE HAND TO LEAD THEM OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT; BECAUSE THEY DID NOT CONTINUE IN MY COVENANT, AND I DISREGARDED THEM, SAYS THE LORD.
Heb 8:10 FOR THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS IN THEIR MIND AND WRITE THEM ON THEIR HEARTS; AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE.
Heb 8:11 NONE OF THEM SHALL TEACH HIS NEIGHBOR, AND NONE HIS BROTHER, SAYING, 'KNOW THE LORD,' FOR ALL SHALL KNOW ME, FROM THE LEAST OF THEM TO THE GREATEST OF THEM.
Heb 8:12 FOR I WILL BE MERCIFUL TO THEIR UNRIGHTEOUSNESS, AND THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE."
Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.


Heb 10:16 "THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THEM AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR HEARTS, AND IN THEIR MINDS I WILL WRITE THEM,"
Heb 10:17 then He adds, "THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE."
(from Jeremiah 31:31-34)
Heb 10:18 Now where there is remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin.

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I agree and I watched the video, inclusive of part 2. Thankyou
Why are some saying it is the Anti-Christ covenant?

 

[Quasar92]

Mat 26:28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.


Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.


Heb 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
Heb 8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH— (from Jeremiah 31:31-34)
Heb 8:9 NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS IN THE DAY WHEN I TOOK THEM BY THE HAND TO LEAD THEM OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT; BECAUSE THEY DID NOT CONTINUE IN MY COVENANT, AND I DISREGARDED THEM, SAYS THE LORD.
Heb 8:10 FOR THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS IN THEIR MIND AND WRITE THEM ON THEIR HEARTS; AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE.
Heb 8:11 NONE OF THEM SHALL TEACH HIS NEIGHBOR, AND NONE HIS BROTHER, SAYING, 'KNOW THE LORD,' FOR ALL SHALL KNOW ME, FROM THE LEAST OF THEM TO THE GREATEST OF THEM.
Heb 8:12 FOR I WILL BE MERCIFUL TO THEIR UNRIGHTEOUSNESS, AND THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE."
Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.


Heb 10:16 "THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THEM AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR HEARTS, AND IN THEIR MINDS I WILL WRITE THEM,"
Heb 10:17 then He adds, "THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE."
(from Jeremiah 31:31-34)
Heb 10:18 Now where there is remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin.

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The covenant confirmed in Dan.9:27.c

Mat 26:28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.


Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.


Heb 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
Heb 8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH— (from Jeremiah 31:31-34)
Heb 8:9 NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS IN THE DAY WHEN I TOOK THEM BY THE HAND TO LEAD THEM OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT; BECAUSE THEY DID NOT CONTINUE IN MY COVENANT, AND I DISREGARDED THEM, SAYS THE LORD.
Heb 8:10 FOR THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS IN THEIR MIND AND WRITE THEM ON THEIR HEARTS; AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE.
Heb 8:11 NONE OF THEM SHALL TEACH HIS NEIGHBOR, AND NONE HIS BROTHER, SAYING, 'KNOW THE LORD,' FOR ALL SHALL KNOW ME, FROM THE LEAST OF THEM TO THE GREATEST OF THEM.
Heb 8:12 FOR I WILL BE MERCIFUL TO THEIR UNRIGHTEOUSNESS, AND THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE."
Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.


Heb 10:16 "THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THEM AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR HEARTS, AND IN THEIR MINDS I WILL WRITE THEM,"
Heb 10:17 then He adds, "THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE."
(from Jeremiah 31:31-34)
Heb 10:18 Now where there is remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin.

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The covenant confirmed by many, in Dan.9:27, cannot be the Messiah, Jesus, because Israel/the Jews, do not accept Him until the seven years of that passage has ended, as recorded in Zech.12:10, 14:4-5, Mt.24:30 and Rev.19:11-2!


Quasar92

 

[BABerean2]

I agree and I watched the video, inclusive of part 2. Thankyou
Why are some saying it is the Anti-Christ covenant?

It mainly comes from a failure to recognize the New Covenant of Christ.
The New Covenant had already been promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, when the angel Gabriel appeared to Daniel.
Daniel 9 is the timeline of the New Covenant Messiah.

Dispensationalists have to deny that Jeremiah 31:31-34, is found fulfilled in Hebrews 8:6-13, and is specifically applied to the Church in Hebrews 12:22-24, and 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, or see their Two Peoples of God doctrine fall apart.

The antichrist, and a future 70th week of Daniel is one of the pillars of modern Dispensational Theology.

Much of this confusion has been produced by the Judaisers who could not let go of the Sinai Covenant.

Modern "Classic" Dispensational Theology claimed that God would go back to the Old Covenant system during the 7 year period before the Second Coming of Christ, after the Church is removed from the planet in a pretrib rapture. One of their many problems is the fact that the New Covenant is "everlasting" in Hebrews 13:20.

The New Covenant: Bob George

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[claninja]

It is complicated, because the message was solely for the people of Daniel, the Jews living at the time, that lead up to the building of Jerusalem and the coming of Messiah.

I definitely agree it’s complicated.

I also agree, this prophecy has to do with the rebuilding of Jerusalem after the Babylonian exile, the coming of Christ in flesh, and the later destruction of Jerusalem.

I see this as a condition upon Daniel's people, albeit a condition they failed miserably.

I agree. But the 1st covenant was never meant to be permanent. It was only meant to last until the coming of Christ. For which the 2nd covenant was established by the death of Christ.

For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion to look for a second. For he finds fault with them when he says: “Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will establish a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah,
Hebrews 8:7-8 - Bible Gateway passage: Hebrews 8:7-8 - English Standard Version

So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith.
Galatians 3:24 - Bible Gateway passage: Galatians 3:24 - English Standard Version

Jesus the bridegroom took his Kingdom from them and gave it to another peoples that were not called his people.

Agree, it was taken away at their destruction: parable of wicked tenants . And given to another nation ( believing Jews and grafted in gentiles).

in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory— even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles? As indeed he says in Hosea, “Those who were not my people I will call ‘my people,’ and her who was not beloved I will call ‘beloved.’”
Romans 9:23-25 - Bible Gateway passage: Romans 9:23-25 - English Standard Version

Jesus threatened them that if they did not say blessed is he who came in the name of the Lord, that they will never see him as their King. Jesus said your house is left onto you desolate.

Agree. And many Jews did come to belief after the cross. We see this throughout the book if Acts.

But to those Jews who rejected Christ, until their end, they became as sodom and Gomorrah after their destruction.

And Isaiah cries out concerning Israel: “Though the number of the sons of Israel be as the sand of the sea, only a remnant of them will be saved, And as Isaiah predicted, “If the Lord of hosts had not left us offspring, we would have been like Sodom and become like Gomorrah.”
Romans 9:27,29 - Bible Gateway passage: Romans 9:27, Romans 9:29 - English Standard Version

35 so that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah the son of Barachiah, whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar. 36 Truly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.
Matthew 23:35-36 - Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 23:35-36 - English Standard Version

The vision isn't sealed until the seventh trumpet is blasted and time no longer declared.

I’m not familiar with this, could you provide scripture for that states the vision is sealed after the 7th trumpet blast?

As Jesus said, the first (Jews) will be last and the last (Gentiles) will be first.

You added the Jews and gentiles in parenthesis. So, I don’t agree that Jesus said that. Typically, in the context it doesn’t have to do with race.

This will happen when the gospel spreads and the fullness of the gentiles comes.

I agree, but probably in a different way.

Did the six conditions get met by the Jews?

They were met by Christ, of which the Old Testament is about.

 

[BABerean2]

The covenant confirmed by many, in Dan.9:27, cannot be the Messiah, Jesus, because Israel/the Jews, do not accept Him until the seven years of that passage has ended, as recorded in Zech.12:10 and 14:4-5!

Zec 12:10 "And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn.


Joh 19:34 But one of the soldiers pierced His side with a spear, and immediately blood and water came out.
Joh 19:35 And he who has seen has testified, and his testimony is true; and he knows that he is telling the truth, so that you may believe.
Joh 19:36 For these things were done that the Scripture should be fulfilled, "NOT ONE OF HIS BONES SHALL BE BROKEN."
Joh 19:37 And again another Scripture says, "THEY SHALL LOOK ON HIM WHOM THEY PIERCED." (The uppercase text is from the Old Testament.)


Act 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.


Act 2:36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ."
Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Men and brethren, what shall we do?"
Act 2:38 Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Act 2:39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call."
Act 2:40 And with many other words he testified and exhorted them, saying, "Be saved from this perverse generation."
Act 2:41 Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them.

Zechariah 12:10 was fulfilled at Calvary and on the Day of Pentecost.

Once again, what you are claiming does not match up to what is plainly written in the Word of God.

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[Quasar92]

It mainly comes from a failure to recognize the New Covenant of Christ.
The New Covenant had already been promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, when the angel Gabriel appeared to Daniel.
Daniel 9 is the timeline of the New Covenant Messiah.

Dispensationalists have to deny that Jeremiah 31:31-34, is found fulfilled in Hebrews 8:6-13, and is specifically applied to the Church in Hebrews 12:22-24, and 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, or see their Two Peoples of God doctrine fall apart.

The antichrist, and a future 70th week of Daniel is one of the pillars of modern Dispensational Theology.

Much of this confusion has been produced by the Judaisers who could not let go of the Sinai Covenant.

Modern "Classic" Dispensational Theology claimed that God would go back to the Old Covenant system during the 7 year period before the Second Coming of Christ, after the Church is removed from the planet in a pretrib rapture. One of their many problems is the fact that the New Covenant is "everlasting" in Hebrews 13:20.

The New Covenant: Bob George

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Your so called timeline of the New Covenant does not begin until Jesus introduces it, as recorded in Lk.22:20 . Israel HAS NOT accepted it as yet, to this day! Nor will they, until Jesus second coming, according to Zech.12:10 and 14:4-5 Post #95 refutes you, repeated below!

>>>The covenant confirmed by many, in Dan.9:27, cannot be the Messiah, Jesus, because Israel/the Jews, do not accept Him until the seven years of that passage has ended, as recorded in Zech.12:10, 14:4-5, Mt.24:30 and Rev.19:11-2!<<<


Quasar92

 

[claninja]

Who are the people of the prince who destroy Jerusalem?

Let’s use scripture to interpret scripture first.

Did Jesus predict the destruction of Jerusalem? He in fact did:

20 “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation has come near. 22 for these are days of vengeance, to fulfill all that is written.
Luke 21:20,22 - Bible Gateway passage: Luke 21:20, Luke 21:22 - English Standard Version

43 For the days will come upon you, when your enemies will set up a barricade around you and surround you and hem you in on every side 44 and tear you down to the ground, you and your children within you. And they will not leave one stone upon another in you, because you did not know the time of your visitation.”
Luke 19:43-44 - Bible Gateway passage: Luke 19:43-44 - English Standard Version

When do they destroy Jerusalem?

No specific date or hour of Israel’s destruction is given in scripture, but Jesus says it will be during his generation.

35 so that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah the son of Barachiah, whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar. 36 Truly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.
Matthew 23:35-36 - Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 23:35-36 - English Standard Version

40 When therefore the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those tenants?” They said to him, “He will put those wretches to a miserable death and let out the vineyard to other tenants who will give him the fruits in their seasons.” 43 Therefore I tell you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people producing its fruits. When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard his parables, they perceived that he was speaking about them.
Matthew 21:40-41,43,45 - Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 21:40-41, Matthew 21:43, Matthew 21:45 - English Standard Version

From our perspective by historical records , we know israel was destroyed during Jesus’ generation by the Romans

How does Jesus confirm covenant in one week, if he has been crucified in the middle of the week?

Hebrew parallelism: A=A, B=B

And after the sixty-two weeks, A.)an anointed one shall be cut off and shall have nothing. B.)And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. Its end shall come with a flood, and to the end there shall be war. Desolations are decreed. A.) And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering. B.)And on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator.”
Daniel 9:26-27 - Bible Gateway passage: Daniel 9:26-27 - English Standard Version