WHY IS DANIEL 9:24-27 ONE OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT PASSAGES IN SCRIPTURE ?

[jgr]

2] Daniel 9:24-27 - Outlines the future history of Israel

Correction:

Outlines the fulfilled accomplishments of Christ at Calvary, and the destruction of the old covenant physical and spiritual economy.

3] Provides clear evidence that the Bible is inspired by God

The accuracy of the prediction of the coming of Messiah, Prince, is indisputable evidence of that the Bible is not a book inspired by man but could only have been inspired by God Who Alone knows the future.

Respected pastor and author Ray Stedman writes that Daniel 9:24-27: is:

is one of the strongest evidences to prove the divine inspiration of the Bible. Many (believers) are frequently asked why (they) believe the Bible to be the Word of God, and it is helpful to know certain passages which clearly set forth predictive elements that are unmistakable and which do indicate the ability of the Bible to predict events far in the distant future. This could only be by divine power....(Da 9:24, 25, 26, 27) pinpoints the exact moment in history when the Jewish Messiah would present Himself to the Jewish people, and it does so over five hundred years before the event took place. It is so plain and detailed that it has always been an acute embarrassment to Jewish commentators.

4] Substantiates the truth that God is completely sovereign

The prophecy in Daniel 9:24-27 is so compellingly accurate, that it leaves no doubt that God is sovereign and in full control over time and the affairs of men. This grand truth should encourage the saint and frighten the sinner who is not yet saved to consider the claims.

5] Has spurred many [Jews and Gentiles] to consider the claims of the Messiah

Although many of the stories are anecdotal [see below], the truth in Daniel 9:24-27 has caused many who seek to refute these prophecies find that they are confronted with indisputable evidence of the Messiah.

True.

 

[Quasar92]

The following comes from the 1599 Geneva Bible, which is the Bible the Pilgrims brought to America.

Dan 9:27 And he shal confirme the couenant with many for one weeke: and in the middes of the weeke he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the ouerspreading of the abominations, he shall make it desolate, euen vntill the consummation determined shalbe powred vpon the desolate.

Daniel 9:27
And he (a) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to (b) cease, (c) and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

(a) By the preaching of the Gospel he affirmed his promise, first to the Jews, and after to the Gentiles.

(b) Christ accomplished this by his death and resurrection.

(c) Meaning that Jerusalem and the sanctuary would be utterly destroyed because of their rebellion against God, and their idolatry: or as some read, that the plague will be so great, that they will all be astonished at them.

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Do you think the angel Gabriel came to announce the timeline of the New Covenant Messiah, and then he failed to even mention the New Covenant?

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Your ongoing reference to the 1599 Geneva Bible being the translation the Pilgrims brought to America is a classic joke! Which of the pilgrims are you alluding to and from what source makes such a ludicrous claim. It doesn;t make a bit of difference which Bible they brought over here. They all say the same thing, with minor exception!

Jesus WILL NOT confirm a covenant in Dan.9:27! The Antichrist will, as I've shown you many times previously, as follows:

Who makes the covenant with many in Dan.9:27 ?

Daniel 9:27 (HCSB) He will make a firm covenant with many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and offering. And the abomination of desolation will be on a wing of the temple until the decreed destruction is poured out on the desolator.”

The question is, who is the he? The traditional view of this passage is that "he" here refers to the Antichrist. The Antichrist will a covenant and stop sacrifices that at some point a future will resume, and set up the Abomination of Desolation.

Preterists say that he refers to the real Christ; Jesus Christ is actually the one that causes sacrifices to stop by sacrificing himself. As far as the overspreading of abominations I don't know how they explain that.

Confirmer of the Covenant Confirmed Elsewhere

So how do we know who the he is? We can know for sure who he is. The he of Daniel 9:27 does three things: he first confirms the covenant, he stops the daily sacrifices, and he sets up the Abomination of Desolation.

In Daniel 11 we have a discourse about the King of the North. When you get to verse 31, it talks about the Antichrist and his partners placing a abomination that makes desolate and stopping the sacrifices. This is absolute proof that the he of Daniel 9:27 is the Antichrist not the real Christ.

Daniel 11:31 (KJV) And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

If you're not sure this is the Antichrist, read on what else this man does:

Daniel 11:36 (KJV) And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvelous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

For the complete article:

http://www.escapeallthesethings.com/...n-covenant.htm

Annotation from the 1967 edition of the Scofield Bible:

The proof that this final week has not yet been fulfilled is seen in the fact that Christ definitely relates its main events to His second coming [Mt.24:6-15]. Hence, during the interim between the 69th and the 70th weeks there must lie the whole period of the Church set forth in the N.T. but not revealed in the O.T. The interpretation which assigns the last of the 70th weeks to the end of the age is found in the Church fathers. When this 70th week was referred to during the first two and one-half centuries of the Christian Church, it was almost always assigned to the end of the age. Irenaeus places the appearance of the Antichrist at the end of the age in the last week: in fact, he asserts that the time of the Antichrist's tyranny will last just one-half of the week, three years and six months. So likewise Hippolytus states that Daniel "indicates the showing forth of seven years which shall be in the last times."


Quasar92

 

[seventysevens]

LOL , I not referring to Hal Lindsey
Just what you have been saying
You are making claims without showing scripture support for your claims that show clearly that what you say is accurate , you seem to be 'winging it'

Not during, because the 7 years following Gog/Magog end when Jesus returns. Hal Lindsey has it wrong.

The 7 months of cleaning the land of the dead bodies of Gog's army - will not be during the great tribulation. But at the start of the 7 years.

 

[Quasar92]

LOL , I not referring to Hal Lindsey
Just what you have been saying
You are making claims without showing scripture support for your claims that show clearly that what you say is accurate , you seem to be 'winging it'

Who are you addressing?


Quasar92

 

[BABerean2]

Your ongoing reference to the 1599 Geneva Bible being the translation the Pilgrims brought to America is a classic joke! Which of the pilgrims are you alluding to and from what source makes such a ludicrous claim.

You probably think those who produced the NKJV must be a "classic joke!" also, since their scriptural reference beside of Daniel 9:27 is Matthew 26:28...

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[seventysevens]

Who are you addressing?


Quasar92

Who did I quote ?

 

[Douggg]

LOL , I not referring to Hal Lindsey

I know, but I was thinking back to his book Late Great Planet earth. I think Jack Van Impe also says mid-70th week for Gog/Magog.

Just what you have been saying
You are making claims without showing scripture support for your claims that show clearly that what you say is accurate , you seem to be 'winging it'

Decades ago, I once thought mid 70th week. A lot of progress since then. I am not winging it. There are highly intertwined reasons, beyond the 7 years following the destruction of Gog's army, of why it is right before the beginning of the 7 years. Having to do with the concept of the Antichrist, what it actually means for the person to become the Antichrist. What the confirmation of the covenant actually is. And why the Jews will be saying peace and safety, as well as the world. Why there will be a falling away from Christianity. Why Islam will not be a factor when the beast is ruling the world for the 42 months.

 

[The Times]

The last half of Daniel's 69th week is the entire New Covenant Age.

This is where he appoints his Church within the Great Commission. The witnesses are being martyred across 3 & 1/2 Days, encompassing the remaining half of Daniel's 69th week, which brings us to the 70th week completion, the end coinciding with the resurrection of the dead.

 

[seventysevens]

it would be far more useful if you put your theory in a manner of order with each step showing scripture support to backup each step of the theory
otherwise it seems like just winging it giving opinion without support

I know, but I was thinking back to his book Late Great Planet earth. I think Jack Van Impe also says mid-70th week for Gog/Magog.


Decades ago, I once thought mid 70th week. A lot of progress since then. I am not winging it. There are highly intertwined reasons, beyond the 7 years following the destruction of Gog's army, of why it is right before the beginning of the 7 years. Having to do with the concept of the Antichrist, what it actually means for the person to become the Antichrist. What the confirmation of the covenant actually is. And why the Jews will be saying peace and safety, as well as the world. Why there will be a falling away from Christianity. Why Islam will not be a factor when the beast is ruling the world for the 42 months.

 

[Douggg]

it would be far more useful if you put your theory in a manner of order with each step showing scripture support to backup each step of the theory
otherwise it seems like just winging it giving opinion without support

It would take the equivalent of writing a book within a post.

That Israel burns the war implements of Gog's army for 7 years is not by happen stance. It is a indicator, that the 7 years following are the same seven years in Daniel 9:27. Which ends with the Armageddon feast at Jesus's return, which in Ezekiel 39:17-20 is that same feast.

It is not 5 years, not 4 years, not 3 years, not 8 years, not 9 years, or 6 years - but 7 years. All of the prophecies end within the 70 weeks.

 

[jgr]

Who makes the covenant with many in Dan.9:27 ?

There is one, and only one, specifically identified individual in Daniel 9:24-27.

It is Messiah the Prince.

Daniel 9:27 refers three times to "he".

Grammatically, the three "he's" in verse 27 can only have as an antecedent the only specifically identified individual in the passage.

It is Messiah the Prince.

Any impartial objective English teacher on the planet will confirm this.

Thus it is Christ, Messiah the Prince, who is the sole and exclusive focus and subject of the passage.

 

[Anto9us]

Dr Varner's premises, I BASICALLY agree with, with the following exceptions:

Once he flat out says Hebrews 9:24-27 when he MEANS Daniel 9:24-27, just a slip of the tongue.

His "starting point" of the 490 years he swears is in Ezra 7 - 457 BC.
Some people use Nehemiah 2's letter to go back and build walls of Jerusalem instead (444-445 BC) -- this is not a big deal, because I do not think we have supremely accurate dates as far as the crucifixion anyway.

Christ is the "He" and the "prince" of MOST of Daniel 9:24-27 -- but not right at the end in the phrase "the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary"

That prince is Titus, and Varner mentions Prince Titus as well, but if THAT Prince is Christ, you would have the Jews destroying their own Temple and city!

The book of Daniel's authorship is disputed among scholars -- some say 550 BC or thereabouts, some say 167 BC in Macabbean revolt -- EVEN THIS ISSUE does not lessen the significance of Dan 9:24-27 -- 550 years or 200 years ahead of time; it is still an amazingly accurate prophecy of Christ; whether you start in 444 BC (Nehemiah 2) or 457 BC (Ezra 7)

I can buy into an UNINTERRUPTED TIME of 70 shauvim, ending with Stoning of Stephen. I think Stephen may have been one referred to when Jesus said "there are some standing here who will not taste death til they see the Son of Man coming in glory"

That is what Stephen saw right before he tasted death.

 

[dqhall]

WHY IS DANIEL 9:24-27 ONE OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT PASSAGES IN SCRIPTURE ?

Daniel 9:24-27 holds the key to all prophetic interpretation and as such is the backbone of biblical prophecy.


Ray Pritchard writes that

If you understand what these verses mean, you will have a good framework for understanding all that the Bible says about the future. Miss this, and Revelation will be a mystery to you…. What is presented here in a condensed form is greatly expanded in the New Testament. This passage is the key that unlocks many other biblical prophecies."

Pritchard goes on to add that "If you have wondered where certain popular writers get the concept of a future seven-year Tribulation period, you will find the answer in this passage. Jesus refers to it in Mt 24:15 as does Paul in 2Th 2:1, 2, 3, 4. And the amazing events of Rev 6-19 are simply an expansion of Da 9:27 (note). What is presented here in a condensed form is greatly expanded in the New Testament. This passage is the key that unlocks many other biblical prophecies."

Chuck Swindoll says that:

"the vision of the seventy weeks revealed in Daniel 9:24, 25, 26, 27 [notes:] is undoubtedly "the backbone of Biblical prophecy" concerning Israel, Christ, and the Antichrist. It is also true that fewer predictions in Scripture have been interpreted in as many ways as have the seventy weeks of Daniel.

John Walvoord writes that

The interpretation of the revelation given to Daniel concerning the seventy weeks (Daniel 9:24–27) constitutes one of the determining factors in the whole system of prophecy. The attention given to it by all schools of interpretation, and the attacks upon the authenticity of the book itself combine to focus the white light of investigation upon it. The interpretation of this passage inevitably colors all other prophetic views, and a proper understanding of it is the sine qua non of any student of prophecy." [Bolding added; Bibliotheca Sacra, volume 101, page 30, Jan-Mar, 1944]

2] Daniel 9:24-27 - Outlines the future history of Israel

As will be discussed below, Daniel 9:24-27 lays out in summary form a timetable of the events that will impact Israel. There is no reference whatsoever to "the church" in this passage, although some commentators still imagine some reference to "the church."

a] The Jews could have known the time of the Messiah's arrival.

b] The Jews will be able to know the time of the "Anti-Messiah's" ["Anti-christ"] arrival (cf Mt 24:15, 2Th 2:1, 2, 3, 4].

3] Provides clear evidence that the Bible is inspired by God

The accuracy of the prediction of the coming of Messiah, Prince, is indisputable evidence of that the Bible is not a book inspired by man but could only have been inspired by God Who Alone knows the future.

Respected pastor and author Ray Stedman writes that Daniel 9:24-27: is:

is one of the strongest evidences to prove the divine inspiration of the Bible. Many (believers) are frequently asked why (they) believe the Bible to be the Word of God, and it is helpful to know certain passages which clearly set forth predictive elements that are unmistakable and which do indicate the ability of the Bible to predict events far in the distant future. This could only be by divine power....(Da 9:24, 25, 26, 27) pinpoints the exact moment in history when the Jewish Messiah would present Himself to the Jewish people, and it does so over five hundred years before the event took place. It is so plain and detailed that it has always been an acute embarrassment to Jewish commentators.

4] Substantiates the truth that God is completely sovereign

The prophecy in Daniel 9:24-27 is so compellingly accurate, that it leaves no doubt that God is sovereign and in full control over time and the affairs of men. This grand truth should encourage the saint and frighten the sinner who is not yet saved to consider the claims.

5] Has spurred many [Jews and Gentiles] to consider the claims of the Messiah

Although many of the stories are anecdotal [see below], the truth in Daniel 9:24-27 has caused many who seek to refute these prophecies find that they are confronted with indisputable evidence of the Messiah.

6] Refutes the attempt by many to question the date of writing of Daniel's prophecies

Liberal scholars, both Gentile and Jew, have tried to late-date Daniel in order to remove the onus of predictive prophecy. They say the book was written after the events occurred but in such a way as to appear that it was written beforehand. Daniel 9:24-27 is an irrefutable witness that the prophecy of the Messiah's coming and being cut off is true. Since, no one "late-dates" Daniel to the time of Christ, Daniel 9:24-27 is one clear case of predictive prophecy, which establishes the credibility of everything else. This observation also explains why the critics try so hard to debunk this passage.

Henry Morris adds that Daniel's

prophecy was given...well over half a millennium before its fulfillment. The probability that Daniel could guess the date of the manifestation and crucifixion of the Messiah is essentially zero. Only supernatural inspiration can account for fulfilled prophecies like this. In fact, these events were fulfilled almost two centuries even after the date assigned to Daniel by scholars who deny that such prophecies can valid!" (The Defender's Study Bible - an excellent resource from a conservative, literal viewpoint by one of the world's leading scholars on creationism)

7] Stimulates a heightened expectation of the imminent return of the Messiah

This statement applies to Daniel in general also, for no book in the Bible says more about the so called "end times" than Daniel. Many orthodox and conservative Jews believe the time is ripe for the coming of Messiah. They see Israel's return to her homeland after more than 1,900 years of national dispersion as having great prophetic significance. They believe the May, 1948 rebirth of Israel and waves of immigration (which is the meaning of the Hebrew word aliyah) from all over the world are converging with many other factors to set the stage for the predicted coming of a national Deliverer. They see the coming of this Messiah as being good not only for Israel but for the whole earth. According to the prophet Isaiah, He will cause the nations to "beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore" [Is 2:4].

Comment: If you are a born again believer who loves Israel and would like to watch a stirring account of the birth of Israel in May, 1948 (albeit from a secular perspective), I highly recommend the 6 hour epic on DVD narrated by the legendary Israeli Abba Eban (you will be mesmerized as you see the sovereign hand of the Almighty God at work "behind the scenes") - Israel: Nation Is Born

To quote from an email received February 4, 2004 from "The Temple Mount and Land of Israel Faithful Movement" [an Orthodox Jewish group based in Jerusalem]

"The Hand of G_d appears again and again in Jerusalem and the Temple Mount...to purify the Temple Mount and immediately rebuild the house of G_d as the climax of the exciting redemptional times in which we are now living in Israel which will open the Eastern Gate for the coming of Mashiach ben David", this latter name of course referring to the expected Messiah Son of David. Interestingly, both Jews and Christians share the belief that a period of turmoil and distress will precede the coming of Messiah. The Jewish document called "Talmudic Sages" draws a dark picture of this time. Accordingly, one of these Jewish sages wrote, "Let Him [Messiah] come, but let me not see Him" [Sanh. 98b].

One of the most respected names in the study of Bible prophecy, Dr. John Walvoord, writes some wise remarks regarding the interpretative difficulties of Daniel 9:24-27:

In the concluding four verses of Daniel 9, one of the most important prophecies of the Old Testament is contained...Although many divergent interpretations have been advanced in explanation of this prophecy, they may first be divided into two major divisions, namely, the Christological and the non‑Christological views. The non‑Christological approach may be subdivided into the liberal critical view and the conservative amillennial view.

The Christological camp interprets the first sixty-nine weeks of Daniel as culminating in Christ while the non‑Christological camp finds fulfillment of Daniel’s prophecy in events before or after Christ.

The non-Christological group attempts to find fulfillment of the Daniel's 70 Weeks in the events leading up to the persecution of Antiochus Epiphanes (see Daniel notes and additional discussion). In 168 B.C., a pagan altar was constructed on top of the great altar of burnt sacrifices, and a pagan sacrifice was offered under the reign of Antiochus Epiphanes. This act precipitated the Maccabean revolt which Antiochus attempted unsuccessfully to put down with great cruelty [167-164 B.C.].

Source: Background on Daniel 9:24-27 | Precept Austin


Quasar92

The city of Jerusalem about the time of the Babylonian exile was about 160 acres. Daniel was taken into Babylon with other Jewish captives.

He predicted the streets and moat of Jerusalem would be restored.
Daniel 9:25 (ASV) Know therefore and discern, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the anointed one, the prince, shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: it shall be built again, with street and moat, even in troublous times.

The city has already been rebuilt after the Persians conquered Babylon and allowed the Jews to return to Israel. The Book of Nehemiah described the rebuilding of Jerusalem. The Romans evicted Jews from Jerusalem during the Bar Kokhba uprising in 135 AD. In 1948 the Jews won a war of independence against the British and took control of Jerusalem. The city has grown to 50 square miles with suburbs and settlements expanding in all directions.

I have toured the old city of Jerusalem near the Temple Mount and found no moat encompassing the place. If the moat Daniel remembered was to be rebuilt, I think it would have happened by now.

 

[Anto9us]

Act 7:55

But he (Stephen) , being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,

Act 7:56

And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.


Luk 9:27

But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.

 

[Anto9us]

The moat could have been rebuilt, and then destroyed again in 70 AD.

I am not inclined to see a yet-future 70th week, and certainly not inclined to seeing animal sacrifices reinstated in a rebuilt temple made with hands.

When the veil was rent - that was IT for a physical temple - why Paul went and had his head shaved and a vow in the Temple later on disturbs me; and may have been pressure from James, I dunno.

If it turns out to be a PreTrib Rapture and/or a future 7 year period, so be it. But I don't see it at all.

 

[jgr]

The traditional view of this passage is that "he" here refers to the Antichrist.

That claim is fallacious, but entirely unsurprising given the dispensational penchant for deliberate revision of historical truth.

The traditional view was first expressed in the Epistle of Barnabas, circa 100 AD, more than five decades before Irenaeus and Hippolytus. Christ is the subject in the contiguous 70th week; antichrist is unseen.

Barnabas 16:6
But let us enquire whether there be any temple of God. There is; in
the place where he himself undertakes to make and finish it. For it
is written And it shall come to pass, when the week is being
accomplished, the temple of God shall be built gloriously in the
name of the Lord.

Irenaeus and his protege Hippolytus, circa 180 AD, shunned the traditional view and posited a gap of some 300 years in the passage, extending to their estimate of 500 AD for the end of the word. In its time, the date came and went uneventfully. Antichrist never materialized.

The traditional view was reconfirmed by Clement of Alexandria, circa 200 AD. Again, Christ is the subject in the contiguous 70th week; antichrist is unseen.

“And thus Christ became King of the Jews, reigning in Jerusalem in the fulfilment of the seven weeks. And in the sixty and two weeks the whole of Judaea was quiet, and without wars. And Christ our Lord, "the Holy of Holies," having come and fulfilled the vision and the prophecy, was anointed in His flesh by the Holy Spirit of His Father. In those "sixty and two weeks," as the prophet said, and "in the one week," was He Lord. The half of the week Nero held sway, and in the holy city Jerusalem placed the abomination; and in the half of the week he was taken away, and Otho, and Galba, and Vitellius. And Vespasian rose to the supreme power, and destroyed Jerusalem, and desolated the holy place. And that such are the facts of the case, is clear to him that is able to understand, as the prophet said.”

Stromata, book 1, chapter 21

For the next more than 1500 years, all true Church theologians agreed that Daniel 9:24-27 described 70 contiguous unbroken weeks of years; that the passage was solely and exclusively about Christ the Messiah and His fulfilled accomplishments at Calvary in the contiguous 70th week; and that the passage made no reference to antichrist.

With the exception noted above, that has been the overwhelmingly prevailing view of the historical true Christian Church over more than eighteen centuries.

 

[jgr]

That prince is Titus, and Varner mentions Prince Titus as well, but if THAT Prince is Christ, you would have the Jews destroying their own Temple and city!

There are two perspectives regarding the identity of the people of the prince Messiah, both legitimate:

1. The pagan Roman armies under Titus, which were God's instruments of judgment and destruction. In similar fashion elsewhere, e.g. Jeremiah 43:10-13, God described the pagan Nebuchadnezzar, whom He chose as His instrument of judgment and destruction, as being "My servant."
2. The Jews themselves, whom Josephus documents as being responsible for much of the carnage that occurred: "I shall therefore speak my mind here at once briefly; that neither did any other city ever suffer such miseries; nor did any age ever breed a generation more fruitful in wickedness than this was from the beginning of the world." Contemporary Jews concur:

"The scene was now set for the revolt's final catastrophe. Outside Jerusalem, Roman troops prepared to besiege the city; inside the city, the Jews were engaged in a suicidal civil war. In later generations, the rabbis hyperbolically declared that the revolt's failure, and the Temple's destruction, was due not to Roman military superiority but to causeless hatred (sinat khinam) among the Jews (Yoma 9b). While the Romans would have won the war in any case, the Jewish civil war both hastened their victory and immensely increased the casualties. One horrendous example: In expectation of a Roman siege, Jerusalem's Jews had stockpiled a supply of dry food that could have fed the city for many years. But one of the warring Zealot factions burned the entire supply, apparently hoping that destroying this "security blanket" would compel everyone to participate in the revolt. The starvation resulting from this mad act caused suffering as great as any the Romans inflicted."

 

[Douggg]

I have toured the old city of Jerusalem near the Temple Mount and found no moat encompassing the place. If the moat Daniel remembered was to be rebuilt, I think it would have happened by now.

Maybe it got filled in. I think Hadrian in 135 AD after a second Jewish revolt had the city plowed over.

 

[Anto9us]

Rev 20:7
And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

Rev 20:8
And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

Here is Gog and Magog specifically talked about AFTER the MIllenium, yet do we take it LITERALLY that Gog and Magog "are in the four quarters of the earth"?

Revelation calls the city where our Lord was crucified as "spiritually Sodom and Egypt" when we know it was Jerusalem.

A lot of Christians do not believe in a literal 1000 years anyway

 

[Blade]

Going to have to pass lol.. to many experts here. For me..when its not written and I have to add to what is written.. well I think you understand. I love the "upon your people.. your holy city".. all that applys to? Not me that owes God so to speak.. anyway there are those that have spent their who lives studying this and will only say "this is what I believe". So..lets remember that