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WHY IS DANIEL 9:24-27 ONE OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT PASSAGES IN SCRIPTURE ?

Daniel 9:24-27 holds the key to all prophetic interpretation and as such is the backbone of biblical prophecy.


Ray Pritchard writes that

If you understand what these verses mean, you will have a good framework for understanding all that the Bible says about the future. Miss this, and Revelation will be a mystery to you…. What is presented here in a condensed form is greatly expanded in the New Testament. This passage is the key that unlocks many other biblical prophecies."

Pritchard goes on to add that "If you have wondered where certain popular writers get the concept of a future seven-year Tribulation period, you will find the answer in this passage. Jesus refers to it in Mt 24:15 as does Paul in 2Th 2:1, 2, 3, 4. And the amazing events of Rev 6-19 are simply an expansion of Da 9:27 (note). What is presented here in a condensed form is greatly expanded in the New Testament. This passage is the key that unlocks many other biblical prophecies."

Chuck Swindoll says that:

"the vision of the seventy weeks revealed in Daniel 9:24, 25, 26, 27 [notes:] is undoubtedly "the backbone of Biblical prophecy" concerning Israel, Christ, and the Antichrist. It is also true that fewer predictions in Scripture have been interpreted in as many ways as have the seventy weeks of Daniel.

John Walvoord writes that

The interpretation of the revelation given to Daniel concerning the seventy weeks (Daniel 9:24–27) constitutes one of the determining factors in the whole system of prophecy. The attention given to it by all schools of interpretation, and the attacks upon the authenticity of the book itself combine to focus the white light of investigation upon it. The interpretation of this passage inevitably colors all other prophetic views, and a proper understanding of it is the sine qua non of any student of prophecy." [Bolding added; Bibliotheca Sacra, volume 101, page 30, Jan-Mar, 1944]

2] Daniel 9:24-27 - Outlines the future history of Israel

As will be discussed below, Daniel 9:24-27 lays out in summary form a timetable of the events that will impact Israel. There is no reference whatsoever to "the church" in this passage, although some commentators still imagine some reference to "the church."

a] The Jews could have known the time of the Messiah's arrival.

b] The Jews will be able to know the time of the "Anti-Messiah's" ["Anti-christ"] arrival (cf Mt 24:15, 2Th 2:1, 2, 3, 4].

3] Provides clear evidence that the Bible is inspired by God

The accuracy of the prediction of the coming of Messiah, Prince, is indisputable evidence of that the Bible is not a book inspired by man but could only have been inspired by God Who Alone knows the future.

Respected pastor and author Ray Stedman writes that Daniel 9:24-27: is:

is one of the strongest evidences to prove the divine inspiration of the Bible. Many (believers) are frequently asked why (they) believe the Bible to be the Word of God, and it is helpful to know certain passages which clearly set forth predictive elements that are unmistakable and which do indicate the ability of the Bible to predict events far in the distant future. This could only be by divine power....(Da 9:24, 25, 26, 27) pinpoints the exact moment in history when the Jewish Messiah would present Himself to the Jewish people, and it does so over five hundred years before the event took place. It is so plain and detailed that it has always been an acute embarrassment to Jewish commentators.

4] Substantiates the truth that God is completely sovereign

The prophecy in Daniel 9:24-27 is so compellingly accurate, that it leaves no doubt that God is sovereign and in full control over time and the affairs of men. This grand truth should encourage the saint and frighten the sinner who is not yet saved to consider the claims.

5] Has spurred many [Jews and Gentiles] to consider the claims of the Messiah

Although many of the stories are anecdotal [see below], the truth in Daniel 9:24-27 has caused many who seek to refute these prophecies find that they are confronted with indisputable evidence of the Messiah.

6] Refutes the attempt by many to question the date of writing of Daniel's prophecies

Liberal scholars, both Gentile and Jew, have tried to late-date Daniel in order to remove the onus of predictive prophecy. They say the book was written after the events occurred but in such a way as to appear that it was written beforehand. Daniel 9:24-27 is an irrefutable witness that the prophecy of the Messiah's coming and being cut off is true. Since, no one "late-dates" Daniel to the time of Christ, Daniel 9:24-27 is one clear case of predictive prophecy, which establishes the credibility of everything else. This observation also explains why the critics try so hard to debunk this passage.

Henry Morris adds that Daniel's

prophecy was given...well over half a millennium before its fulfillment. The probability that Daniel could guess the date of the manifestation and crucifixion of the Messiah is essentially zero. Only supernatural inspiration can account for fulfilled prophecies like this. In fact, these events were fulfilled almost two centuries even after the date assigned to Daniel by scholars who deny that such prophecies can valid!" (The Defender's Study Bible - an excellent resource from a conservative, literal viewpoint by one of the world's leading scholars on creationism)

7] Stimulates a heightened expectation of the imminent return of the Messiah

This statement applies to Daniel in general also, for no book in the Bible says more about the so called "end times" than Daniel. Many orthodox and conservative Jews believe the time is ripe for the coming of Messiah. They see Israel's return to her homeland after more than 1,900 years of national dispersion as having great prophetic significance. They believe the May, 1948 rebirth of Israel and waves of immigration (which is the meaning of the Hebrew word aliyah) from all over the world are converging with many other factors to set the stage for the predicted coming of a national Deliverer. They see the coming of this Messiah as being good not only for Israel but for the whole earth. According to the prophet Isaiah, He will cause the nations to "beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore" [Is 2:4].

Comment: If you are a born again believer who loves Israel and would like to watch a stirring account of the birth of Israel in May, 1948 (albeit from a secular perspective), I highly recommend the 6 hour epic on DVD narrated by the legendary Israeli Abba Eban (you will be mesmerized as you see the sovereign hand of the Almighty God at work "behind the scenes") - Israel: Nation Is Born

To quote from an email received February 4, 2004 from "The Temple Mount and Land of Israel Faithful Movement" [an Orthodox Jewish group based in Jerusalem]

"The Hand of G_d appears again and again in Jerusalem and the Temple Mount...to purify the Temple Mount and immediately rebuild the house of G_d as the climax of the exciting redemptional times in which we are now living in Israel which will open the Eastern Gate for the coming of Mashiach ben David", this latter name of course referring to the expected Messiah Son of David. Interestingly, both Jews and Christians share the belief that a period of turmoil and distress will precede the coming of Messiah. The Jewish document called "Talmudic Sages" draws a dark picture of this time. Accordingly, one of these Jewish sages wrote, "Let Him [Messiah] come, but let me not see Him" [Sanh. 98b].

One of the most respected names in the study of Bible prophecy, Dr. John Walvoord, writes some wise remarks regarding the interpretative difficulties of Daniel 9:24-27:

In the concluding four verses of Daniel 9, one of the most important prophecies of the Old Testament is contained...Although many divergent interpretations have been advanced in explanation of this prophecy, they may first be divided into two major divisions, namely, the Christological and the non‑Christological views. The non‑Christological approach may be subdivided into the liberal critical view and the conservative amillennial view.

The Christological camp interprets the first sixty-nine weeks of Daniel as culminating in Christ while the non‑Christological camp finds fulfillment of Daniel’s prophecy in events before or after Christ.

The non-Christological group attempts to find fulfillment of the Daniel's 70 Weeks in the events leading up to the persecution of Antiochus Epiphanes (see Daniel notes and additional discussion). In 168 B.C., a pagan altar was constructed on top of the great altar of burnt sacrifices, and a pagan sacrifice was offered under the reign of Antiochus Epiphanes. This act precipitated the Maccabean revolt which Antiochus attempted unsuccessfully to put down with great cruelty [167-164 B.C.].

Source: Background on Daniel 9:24-27 | Precept Austin


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WHY IS DANIEL 9:24-27 ONE OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT PASSAGES IN SCRIPTURE ?

Daniel 9:24-27 holds the key to all prophetic interpretation and as such is the backbone of biblical prophecy.


Ray Pritchard writes that

If you understand what these verses mean, you will have a good framework for understanding all that the Bible says about the future. Miss this, and Revelation will be a mystery to you…. What is presented here in a condensed form is greatly expanded in the New Testament. This passage is the key that unlocks many other biblical prophecies."

Pritchard goes on to add that "If you have wondered where certain popular writers get the concept of a future seven-year Tribulation period, you will find the answer in this passage. Jesus refers to it in Mt 24:15 as does Paul in 2Th 2:1, 2, 3, 4. And the amazing events of Rev 6-19 are simply an expansion of Da 9:27 (note). What is presented here in a condensed form is greatly expanded in the New Testament. This passage is the key that unlocks many other biblical prophecies."

Chuck Swindoll says that:

"the vision of the seventy weeks revealed in Daniel 9:24, 25, 26, 27 [notes:] is undoubtedly "the backbone of Biblical prophecy" concerning Israel, Christ, and the Antichrist. It is also true that fewer predictions in Scripture have been interpreted in as many ways as have the seventy weeks of Daniel.

John Walvoord writes that

The interpretation of the revelation given to Daniel concerning the seventy weeks (Daniel 9:24–27) constitutes one of the determining factors in the whole system of prophecy. The attention given to it by all schools of interpretation, and the attacks upon the authenticity of the book itself combine to focus the white light of investigation upon it. The interpretation of this passage inevitably colors all other prophetic views, and a proper understanding of it is the sine qua non of any student of prophecy." [Bolding added; Bibliotheca Sacra, volume 101, page 30, Jan-Mar, 1944]

2] Daniel 9:24-27 - Outlines the future history of Israel

As will be discussed below, Daniel 9:24-27 lays out in summary form a timetable of the events that will impact Israel. There is no reference whatsoever to "the church" in this passage, although some commentators still imagine some reference to "the church."

a] The Jews could have known the time of the Messiah's arrival.

b] The Jews will be able to know the time of the "Anti-Messiah's" ["Anti-christ"] arrival (cf Mt 24:15, 2Th 2:1, 2, 3, 4].

3] Provides clear evidence that the Bible is inspired by God

The accuracy of the prediction of the coming of Messiah, Prince, is indisputable evidence of that the Bible is not a book inspired by man but could only have been inspired by God Who Alone knows the future.

Respected pastor and author Ray Stedman writes that Daniel 9:24-27: is:

is one of the strongest evidences to prove the divine inspiration of the Bible. Many (believers) are frequently asked why (they) believe the Bible to be the Word of God, and it is helpful to know certain passages which clearly set forth predictive elements that are unmistakable and which do indicate the ability of the Bible to predict events far in the distant future. This could only be by divine power....(Da 9:24, 25, 26, 27) pinpoints the exact moment in history when the Jewish Messiah would present Himself to the Jewish people, and it does so over five hundred years before the event took place. It is so plain and detailed that it has always been an acute embarrassment to Jewish commentators.

4] Substantiates the truth that God is completely sovereign

The prophecy in Daniel 9:24-27 is so compellingly accurate, that it leaves no doubt that God is sovereign and in full control over time and the affairs of men. This grand truth should encourage the saint and frighten the sinner who is not yet saved to consider the claims.

5] Has spurred many [Jews and Gentiles] to consider the claims of the Messiah

Although many of the stories are anecdotal [see below], the truth in Daniel 9:24-27 has caused many who seek to refute these prophecies find that they are confronted with indisputable evidence of the Messiah.

6] Refutes the attempt by many to question the date of writing of Daniel's prophecies

Liberal scholars, both Gentile and Jew, have tried to late-date Daniel in order to remove the onus of predictive prophecy. They say the book was written after the events occurred but in such a way as to appear that it was written beforehand. Daniel 9:24-27 is an irrefutable witness that the prophecy of the Messiah's coming and being cut off is true. Since, no one "late-dates" Daniel to the time of Christ, Daniel 9:24-27 is one clear case of predictive prophecy, which establishes the credibility of everything else. This observation also explains why the critics try so hard to debunk this passage.

Henry Morris adds that Daniel's

prophecy was given...well over half a millennium before its fulfillment. The probability that Daniel could guess the date of the manifestation and crucifixion of the Messiah is essentially zero. Only supernatural inspiration can account for fulfilled prophecies like this. In fact, these events were fulfilled almost two centuries even after the date assigned to Daniel by scholars who deny that such prophecies can valid!" (The Defender's Study Bible - an excellent resource from a conservative, literal viewpoint by one of the world's leading scholars on creationism)

7] Stimulates a heightened expectation of the imminent return of the Messiah

This statement applies to Daniel in general also, for no book in the Bible says more about the so called "end times" than Daniel. Many orthodox and conservative Jews believe the time is ripe for the coming of Messiah. They see Israel's return to her homeland after more than 1,900 years of national dispersion as having great prophetic significance. They believe the May, 1948 rebirth of Israel and waves of immigration (which is the meaning of the Hebrew word aliyah) from all over the world are converging with many other factors to set the stage for the predicted coming of a national Deliverer. They see the coming of this Messiah as being good not only for Israel but for the whole earth. According to the prophet Isaiah, He will cause the nations to "beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore" [Is 2:4].

Comment: If you are a born again believer who loves Israel and would like to watch a stirring account of the birth of Israel in May, 1948 (albeit from a secular perspective), I highly recommend the 6 hour epic on DVD narrated by the legendary Israeli Abba Eban (you will be mesmerized as you see the sovereign hand of the Almighty God at work "behind the scenes") - Israel: Nation Is Born

To quote from an email received February 4, 2004 from "The Temple Mount and Land of Israel Faithful Movement" [an Orthodox Jewish group based in Jerusalem]

"The Hand of G_d appears again and again in Jerusalem and the Temple Mount...to purify the Temple Mount and immediately rebuild the house of G_d as the climax of the exciting redemptional times in which we are now living in Israel which will open the Eastern Gate for the coming of Mashiach ben David", this latter name of course referring to the expected Messiah Son of David. Interestingly, both Jews and Christians share the belief that a period of turmoil and distress will precede the coming of Messiah. The Jewish document called "Talmudic Sages" draws a dark picture of this time. Accordingly, one of these Jewish sages wrote, "Let Him [Messiah] come, but let me not see Him" [Sanh. 98b].

One of the most respected names in the study of Bible prophecy, Dr. John Walvoord, writes some wise remarks regarding the interpretative difficulties of Daniel 9:24-27:

In the concluding four verses of Daniel 9, one of the most important prophecies of the Old Testament is contained...Although many divergent interpretations have been advanced in explanation of this prophecy, they may first be divided into two major divisions, namely, the Christological and the non‑Christological views. The non‑Christological approach may be subdivided into the liberal critical view and the conservative amillennial view.

The Christological camp interprets the first sixty-nine weeks of Daniel as culminating in Christ while the non‑Christological camp finds fulfillment of Daniel’s prophecy in events before or after Christ.

The non-Christological group attempts to find fulfillment of the Daniel's 70 Weeks in the events leading up to the persecution of Antiochus Epiphanes (see Daniel notes and additional discussion). In 168 B.C., a pagan altar was constructed on top of the great altar of burnt sacrifices, and a pagan sacrifice was offered under the reign of Antiochus Epiphanes. This act precipitated the Maccabean revolt which Antiochus attempted unsuccessfully to put down with great cruelty [167-164 B.C.].

Source: Background on Daniel 9:24-27 | Precept Austin


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WHY IS DANIEL 9:24-27 ONE OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT PASSAGES IN SCRIPTURE ?

Daniel 9:24-27 holds the key to all prophetic interpretation and as such is the backbone of biblical prophecy.


Ray Pritchard writes that

If you understand what these verses mean, you will have a good framework for understanding all that the Bible says about the future. Miss this, and Revelation will be a mystery to you…. What is presented here in a condensed form is greatly expanded in the New Testament. This passage is the key that unlocks many other biblical prophecies."

Pritchard goes on to add that "If you have wondered where certain popular writers get the concept of a future seven-year Tribulation period, you will find the answer in this passage. Jesus refers to it in Mt 24:15 as does Paul in 2Th 2:1, 2, 3, 4. And the amazing events of Rev 6-19 are simply an expansion of Da 9:27 (note). What is presented here in a condensed form is greatly expanded in the New Testament. This passage is the key that unlocks many other biblical prophecies."

Chuck Swindoll says that:

"the vision of the seventy weeks revealed in Daniel 9:24, 25, 26, 27 [notes:] is undoubtedly "the backbone of Biblical prophecy" concerning Israel, Christ, and the Antichrist. It is also true that fewer predictions in Scripture have been interpreted in as many ways as have the seventy weeks of Daniel.

John Walvoord writes that

The interpretation of the revelation given to Daniel concerning the seventy weeks (Daniel 9:24–27) constitutes one of the determining factors in the whole system of prophecy. The attention given to it by all schools of interpretation, and the attacks upon the authenticity of the book itself combine to focus the white light of investigation upon it. The interpretation of this passage inevitably colors all other prophetic views, and a proper understanding of it is the sine qua non of any student of prophecy." [Bolding added; Bibliotheca Sacra, volume 101, page 30, Jan-Mar, 1944]

2] Daniel 9:24-27 - Outlines the future history of Israel

As will be discussed below, Daniel 9:24-27 lays out in summary form a timetable of the events that will impact Israel. There is no reference whatsoever to "the church" in this passage, although some commentators still imagine some reference to "the church."

a] The Jews could have known the time of the Messiah's arrival.

b] The Jews will be able to know the time of the "Anti-Messiah's" ["Anti-christ"] arrival (cf Mt 24:15, 2Th 2:1, 2, 3, 4].

3] Provides clear evidence that the Bible is inspired by God

The accuracy of the prediction of the coming of Messiah, Prince, is indisputable evidence of that the Bible is not a book inspired by man but could only have been inspired by God Who Alone knows the future.

Respected pastor and author Ray Stedman writes that Daniel 9:24-27: is:

is one of the strongest evidences to prove the divine inspiration of the Bible. Many (believers) are frequently asked why (they) believe the Bible to be the Word of God, and it is helpful to know certain passages which clearly set forth predictive elements that are unmistakable and which do indicate the ability of the Bible to predict events far in the distant future. This could only be by divine power....(Da 9:24, 25, 26, 27) pinpoints the exact moment in history when the Jewish Messiah would present Himself to the Jewish people, and it does so over five hundred years before the event took place. It is so plain and detailed that it has always been an acute embarrassment to Jewish commentators.

4] Substantiates the truth that God is completely sovereign

The prophecy in Daniel 9:24-27 is so compellingly accurate, that it leaves no doubt that God is sovereign and in full control over time and the affairs of men. This grand truth should encourage the saint and frighten the sinner who is not yet saved to consider the claims.

5] Has spurred many [Jews and Gentiles] to consider the claims of the Messiah

Although many of the stories are anecdotal [see below], the truth in Daniel 9:24-27 has caused many who seek to refute these prophecies find that they are confronted with indisputable evidence of the Messiah.

6] Refutes the attempt by many to question the date of writing of Daniel's prophecies

Liberal scholars, both Gentile and Jew, have tried to late-date Daniel in order to remove the onus of predictive prophecy. They say the book was written after the events occurred but in such a way as to appear that it was written beforehand. Daniel 9:24-27 is an irrefutable witness that the prophecy of the Messiah's coming and being cut off is true. Since, no one "late-dates" Daniel to the time of Christ, Daniel 9:24-27 is one clear case of predictive prophecy, which establishes the credibility of everything else. This observation also explains why the critics try so hard to debunk this passage.

Henry Morris adds that Daniel's

prophecy was given...well over half a millennium before its fulfillment. The probability that Daniel could guess the date of the manifestation and crucifixion of the Messiah is essentially zero. Only supernatural inspiration can account for fulfilled prophecies like this. In fact, these events were fulfilled almost two centuries even after the date assigned to Daniel by scholars who deny that such prophecies can valid!" (The Defender's Study Bible - an excellent resource from a conservative, literal viewpoint by one of the world's leading scholars on creationism)

7] Stimulates a heightened expectation of the imminent return of the Messiah

This statement applies to Daniel in general also, for no book in the Bible says more about the so called "end times" than Daniel. Many orthodox and conservative Jews believe the time is ripe for the coming of Messiah. They see Israel's return to her homeland after more than 1,900 years of national dispersion as having great prophetic significance. They believe the May, 1948 rebirth of Israel and waves of immigration (which is the meaning of the Hebrew word aliyah) from all over the world are converging with many other factors to set the stage for the predicted coming of a national Deliverer. They see the coming of this Messiah as being good not only for Israel but for the whole earth. According to the prophet Isaiah, He will cause the nations to "beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore" [Is 2:4].

Comment: If you are a born again believer who loves Israel and would like to watch a stirring account of the birth of Israel in May, 1948 (albeit from a secular perspective), I highly recommend the 6 hour epic on DVD narrated by the legendary Israeli Abba Eban (you will be mesmerized as you see the sovereign hand of the Almighty God at work "behind the scenes") - Israel: Nation Is Born

To quote from an email received February 4, 2004 from "The Temple Mount and Land of Israel Faithful Movement" [an Orthodox Jewish group based in Jerusalem]

"The Hand of G_d appears again and again in Jerusalem and the Temple Mount...to purify the Temple Mount and immediately rebuild the house of G_d as the climax of the exciting redemptional times in which we are now living in Israel which will open the Eastern Gate for the coming of Mashiach ben David", this latter name of course referring to the expected Messiah Son of David. Interestingly, both Jews and Christians share the belief that a period of turmoil and distress will precede the coming of Messiah. The Jewish document called "Talmudic Sages" draws a dark picture of this time. Accordingly, one of these Jewish sages wrote, "Let Him [Messiah] come, but let me not see Him" [Sanh. 98b].

One of the most respected names in the study of Bible prophecy, Dr. John Walvoord, writes some wise remarks regarding the interpretative difficulties of Daniel 9:24-27:

In the concluding four verses of Daniel 9, one of the most important prophecies of the Old Testament is contained...Although many divergent interpretations have been advanced in explanation of this prophecy, they may first be divided into two major divisions, namely, the Christological and the non‑Christological views. The non‑Christological approach may be subdivided into the liberal critical view and the conservative amillennial view.

The Christological camp interprets the first sixty-nine weeks of Daniel as culminating in Christ while the non‑Christological camp finds fulfillment of Daniel’s prophecy in events before or after Christ.

The non-Christological group attempts to find fulfillment of the Daniel's 70 Weeks in the events leading up to the persecution of Antiochus Epiphanes (see Daniel notes and additional discussion). In 168 B.C., a pagan altar was constructed on top of the great altar of burnt sacrifices, and a pagan sacrifice was offered under the reign of Antiochus Epiphanes. This act precipitated the Maccabean revolt which Antiochus attempted unsuccessfully to put down with great cruelty [167-164 B.C.].

Source: Background on Daniel 9:24-27 | Precept Austin


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Q, which of your noted commentators equate the 7 years following the destruction of Gog's army in Ezekiel 39 as being the 7 years in Daniel 9:27 ?



Reference to Gog and Gog of Magog in Ex 38 and 39 is not a part of Dan.9:27 in the first place. In the second place, the Bible does not document it anywhere except after Jesus 1,000 year reign on the earth, in Rev.20:7-10. When Satan musters up his final army to fight against the people of God, that will be destroyed together with Satan being thrown into the lake of fire forever.


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Why do we see no quotes, citations, or references to what the historical true Christian Church believed for over eighteen centuries?


The 70 Week prophecy of Daniel was made in the first year of the Persian king, Darius, in 516 B.C, approximately 550 years before Jesus founded the beginning of the Church age, in 33 A.D. There is nothing whatever in the prophecies of Daniel that has a single thing to do with the church.

Dan.9:1 "In the sixth year of Darius son of Xerxes[a] (a Mede by descent), who was made ruler over the Babylonian[b] kingdom— 2 in the first year of his reign, I, Daniel, understood from the Scriptures, according to the word of the Lord given to Jeremiah the prophet, that the desolation of Jerusalem would last seventy years. 3 So I turned to the Lord God and pleaded with him in prayer and petition, in fasting, and in sackcloth and ashes"



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Reference to Gog and Gog of Magog in Ex 38 and 39 is not a part of Dan.9:27 in the first place. In the second place, the Bible does not document it anywhere except after Jesus 1,000 year reign on the earth, in Rev.20:7-10. When Satan musters up his final army to fight against the people of God, that will be destroyed together with Satan being thrown into the lake of fire forever.
Gog/Magog in Ezekiel 38/39 is a muslim nations alliance with the Russians who are in the middle east right now in Syria.

There will be no mulsim nations, as muslim nations, around at the end of the thousand years, nor during the 7 years of Daniel 9:27. A 7 years "peace treaty" is misconstrued just like the reformers misconstrued that the Pope/Papacy is the Antichrist.

Ezekiel 39:17-20 is the second feast in Ezekiel 39 and is the Armageddon feast at the end of the 7 years and Jesus speaking in verse 21. 7 years after the feast on Gog's army in Ezekiel 39:4.

Revelation 19:17
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.


Ezekiel 39:
17 And, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD; Speak unto every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field, Assemble yourselves, and come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood.

18 Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan.

19 And ye shall eat fat till ye be full, and drink blood till ye be drunken, of my sacrifice which I have sacrificed for you.

20 Thus ye shall be filled at my table with horses and chariots, with mighty men, and with all men of war, saith the Lord GOD.

21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.

Verse 21 is Jesus speaking of when He returns to this earth to rule the nations with a rod of iron. And having just destroyed the armies gathered to make war on Him.
 
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The 70 Week prophecy of Daniel was made in the first year of the Persian king, Darius, in 516 B.C, approximately 550 years before Jesus founded the beginning of the Church age, in 33 A.D. There is nothing whatever in the prophecies of Daniel that has a single thing to do with the church.

Dan.9:1 "In the sixth year of Darius son of Xerxes[a] (a Mede by descent), who was made ruler over the Babylonian[b] kingdom— 2 in the first year of his reign, I, Daniel, understood from the Scriptures, according to the word of the Lord given to Jeremiah the prophet, that the desolation of Jerusalem would last seventy years. 3 So I turned to the Lord God and pleaded with him in prayer and petition, in fasting, and in sackcloth and ashes"



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That isn't the question, as you're well aware. The question is, again, why do we see no quotes, citations, or references to what the historical true Christian Church believed for over eighteen centuries about Daniel 9:24-27?
Because there are two groups reliant on their theologians. (1) historists who believe the Pope/Papacy is the Antichrist (2) Dallas theological seminary dispensationalists who think the confirmation of the covenant for 7 years is a peace treaty.

The two groups vie with each other over eschatology.
 
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There will be no mulsim nations, as muslim nations, around at the end of the thousand years, nor during the 7 years of Daniel 9:27. A 7 years "peace treaty" is misconstrued
You make many assumptions to fit your theory
now you claim that all muslim nations will be gone during the 70th week , that is a lot a of nations that will disappear just on your say so
The covenant of Daniel 9.27 is about peace between Israel and surrounding muslim nations
They have several covenants written since 1967 but every time they have 'peace talks ' and seemingly come to agreement something happens which calls an end to the peace talks - so the covenants have not been finalized
 
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Because there are two groups reliant on their theologians. (1) historists who believe the Pope/Papacy is the Antichrist (2) Dallas theological seminary dispensationalists who think the confirmation of the covenant for 7 years is a peace treaty.

The two groups vie with each other over eschatology.
True. Although no historicist sees antichrist in Daniel 9:24-27.

The OP represents only the modernist futurist view. There is no voice of the early church fathers or the Reformers. It represents only the most recent two centuries, versus eighteen centuries of historical orthodoxy.
 
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You make many assumptions to fit your theory
now you claim that all muslim nations will be gone during the 70th week , that is a lot a of nations that will disappear just on your say so
The covenant of Daniel 9.27 is about peace between Israel and surrounding muslims
They have several covenants written since 1967 but every time they have 'peace talks ' and seem;y come to agreement something happens which calls an end to the peace talks - so the covenants have not been finalized
The muslim nations - as muslim nations - will not be around when the 7 years begin because they will suffer massive destruction to their armies and Islam will be thoroughly discredited.

When the person becomes the beast, and the entire world - except for the saints - worship him, there cannot be an religion of Islam in existence because 2 billion muslims would not worshiped someone claiming to be God - it is a direct violation of the fundamental beliefs of Islam. But that won't be a factor because Islam will no longer be a religion any believes in at that time.

Ezekiel 39, the 7 years between the feast on the destruction of Gog's army in Ezekiel 39:4 and the Armageddon feast in Ezekiel 39:17-20 - is after Israel's muslim enemies and Islam itself is destroyed.

So there is not going to be a need for a peace treaty with the Muslims - because God will have settled the Muslim issue Himself - and that He is not Allah which the muslims have done violence in citing Allah as their god.
 
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The beast appears during the 70th week and as you say not revealed until the middle of that week so the muslim nations will be here during the 70th week
The muslim nations - as muslim nations - will not be around when the 7 years begin because they will suffer massive destruction to their armies and Islam will be thoroughly discredited.

When the person becomes the beast, and the entire world - except for the saints - worship him, there cannot be an religion of Islam in existence because 2 billion muslims would not worshiped someone claiming to be God - it is a direct violation of the fundamental beliefs of Islam. But that won't be a factor because Islam will no longer be a religion any believes in at that time.

Ezekiel 39, the 7 years between the feast on the destruction of Gog's army in Ezekiel 39:4 and the Armageddon feast in Ezekiel 39:17-20 - is after Israel's muslim enemies and Islam itself is destroyed.

So there is not going to be a need for a peace treaty with the Muslims - because God will have settled the Muslim issue Himself - and that He is not Allah which the muslims have done violence in citing Allah as their god.
 
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You make many assumptions to fit your theory
now you claim that all muslim nations will be gone during the 70th week , that is a lot a of nations that will disappear just on your say so
The covenant of Daniel 9.27 is about peace between Israel and surrounding muslim nations
They have several covenants written since 1967 but every time they have 'peace talks ' and seemingly come to agreement something happens which calls an end to the peace talks - so the covenants have not been finalized
Does it even make sense to you that anyone would make a peace treaty for 7 years.... And then know at the end of the 7 years it is back to war?
 
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Does it even make sense to you that anyone would make a peace treaty for 7 years.... And then know at the end of the 7 years it is back to war?
Does it even make sense to you that people could study the Word of God and the prophets for several hundred years about how he would be born , he would be messiah and die on the cross and when he does come not believe that who they were looking for -for several hundred years has come and still kill him?
But that is precisely what happened
 
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The beast appears during the 70th week and as you say not revealed until the middle of that week so the muslim nations will be here during the 70th week
Do muslims worship Isa (their name for Jesus) ? Why not ?
 
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Muslims believe Jesus is a prophet and not God
So why would muslims worship some other person, the beast as god, who also denies Jesus - who muslims believe Jesus is a prophet as fundamental to Islam?
 
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So why would muslims worship some other person, the beast as god, who also denies Jesus - who muslims believe Jesus is a prophet as fundamental to Islam?
You said that muslims would not be around for the 70th week - the 70th week is 7 years in length
The beast is not revealed until the middle of the week which proves that muslims will be here during at least the first half the week that you claim they would not be here , how did miss that that??
 
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You said that muslims would not be around for the 70th week - the 70th week is 7 years in length
The beast is not revealed until the middle of the week which proves that muslims will be here during at least the first half the week that you claim they would not be here , how did miss that that??
Islam, muslims will not be around at the beginning of the 7 years nor the second half of the seven years, when the beast is worshiped as god.

Gog/Magog ending Islam - which then begins the perceived messianic age with the Jews thinking the Antichrist is their messiah - who confirms the Mt. Sinai covenant - the renewal of, their interpretation of the (re)new(ed) covenant in Jeremiah 31 - for the 7 year shimta cycle as required by Moses in Deuteronomy 31:9-13 of all future leaders of Israel.

It will not be a peace treaty confirmed for 7 years. But the Mt. Sinai covenant confirmed for the 7 year shmita cycle - as the Jews will be fooled thinking the Antichrist is their messiah.

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The U.N. which will be depleted of muslim nations, a big part of its current makeup, will likely be replaced with some other organization, located in Jerusalem.
 
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Jeremiah 31 fits much much better for after the millennium as even during then many many people are not people of God they just happen to live at that time which is why satan is able to deceive them and they follow satan
Even though scripture plainly states peace and safety you refuse it in place of your theory



Islam, muslims will not be around at the beginning of the 7 years nor the second half of the seven years, when the beast is worshiped as god.

Gog/Magog ending Islam - which then begins the perceived messianic age with the Jews thinking the Antichrist is their messiah - who confirms the Mt. Sinai covenant - the renewal of, their interpretation of the (re)new(ed) covenant in Jeremiah 31 - for the 7 year shimta cycle as required by Moses in Deuteronomy 31:9-13 of all future leaders of Israel.

It will not be a peace treaty confirmed for 7 years. But the Mt. Sinai covenant confirmed for the 7 year shmita cycle - as the Jews will be fooled thinking the Antichrist is their messiah.
 
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