WHY IS DANIEL 9:24-27 ONE OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT PASSAGES IN SCRIPTURE ?

[seventysevens]

Islam, muslims will not be around at the beginning of the 7 years

You still haven't shown exactly how that would happen

The U.N. which will be depleted of muslim nations, a big part of its current makeup, will likely be replaced with some other organization, located in Jerusalem.

But the muslims will still be around even if they are not part of the UN

 

[Douggg]

You still haven't shown exactly how that would happen

The muslim armies are destroyed, supernaturally. Them living on the isles are destroyed, as well. Islam will be so discredited, because Allah is supposed to be against Israel but it turns out the other way that the God of Israel is the one True God, people will no longer believe in it. Plus they will not have any military to continue their regimes. Islam of today is like communism back in the 50's, 60's, 70's.

The Europeans, who right now are building a big resentment against muslims and Islam, are going to rush in following Gog/Magog and secure all the oil, taking over countries - under the guise of peace of course. Their leader the little horn will appear to the Jews to be the messiah.

 

[seventysevens]

more supposition without any support - who destroys them before the 70th week begins?
As you say that is when they are not here - what scripture show any supernatural destruction of muslims before the 70th week ?

The muslim armies are destroyed, supernaturally. Them living on the isles are destroyed, as well. Islam will be so discredited, because Allah is supposed to be against Israel but it turns out the other way that the God of Israel is the one True God, people will no longer believe in it. Plus they will not have any military to continue their regimes. Islam of today is like communism back in the 50's, 60's, 70's.

 

[Douggg]

more supposition without any support - who destroys them before the 70th week begins?
As you say that is when they are not here - what scripture show any supernatural destruction of muslims before the 70th week ?

Ezekiel 38 and 39, the nations listed with the exception of Russia are muslim. And the muslim nations are opposed to Israel's existence, common knowledge.

In Revelation 13, the beast is made up of the other three kingdoms in Daniel 7, those kingdoms as kingdoms are long gone. It is the territories of those kingdoms that is being represented. The beast in Revelation, with 42 months left in the 7 years, will have taken control of the territories once held by the other three historic kingdoms of the Babylonian, Medes-Persians, Greek empires.

The kingdom of the beast in Revelation is the EU, the end times Roman Empire. They will occupy and control the oil rich territories. And they are not going to allow any muslim regimes, even if anyone wanted to believe in Islam, just as following WWII, the allies weren't going to allow Nazi regimes to exist in Germany.

 

[seventysevens]

This does not answer the question of how supernaturally BEFORE the 70th week the muslims are destroyed
men killing men is not supernatural

this is not showing before the 70th week
it shows in the middle of it

Ezekiel 38 and 39, the nations listed with the exception of Russia are muslim. And the muslim nations are opposed to Israel's existence, common knowledge.

In Revelation 13, the beast is made up of the other three kingdoms in Daniel 7, those kingdoms as kingdoms are long gone. It is the territories of those kingdoms that is being represented. The beast in Revelation, with 42 months left in the 7 years, will have taken control of the territories once held by the other three historic kingdoms of the Babylonian, Medes-Persians, Greek empires.

The kingdom of the beast in Revelation is the EU, the end times Roman Empire. They will occupy and control the oil rich territories. And they are not going to allow any muslim regimes, even if anyone wanted to believe in Islam, just as following WWII, the allies weren't going to allow Nazi regimes to exist in Germany.

 

[Quasar92]

Gog/Magog in Ezekiel 38/39 is a muslim nations alliance with the Russians who are in the middle east right now in Syria.

There will be no mulsim nations, as muslim nations, around at the end of the thousand years, nor during the 7 years of Daniel 9:27. A 7 years "peace treaty" is misconstrued just like the reformers misconstrued that the Pope/Papacy is the Antichrist.

Ezekiel 39:17-20 is the second feast in Ezekiel 39 and is the Armageddon feast at the end of the 7 years and Jesus speaking in verse 21. 7 years after the feast on Gog's army in Ezekiel 39:4.

Revelation 19:17
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.


Ezekiel 39:
17 And, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD; Speak unto every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field, Assemble yourselves, and come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood.

18 Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan.

19 And ye shall eat fat till ye be full, and drink blood till ye be drunken, of my sacrifice which I have sacrificed for you.

20 Thus ye shall be filled at my table with horses and chariots, with mighty men, and with all men of war, saith the Lord GOD.

21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.

Verse 21 is Jesus speaking of when He returns to this earth to rule the nations with a rod of iron. And having just destroyed the armies gathered to make war on Him.

Most of what you post is pure non-scripural speculation with a very small part that can be supported by scripture. All of the Muslim nations will all be
intact when Jesus establishes His 1,000 year reign on earth. Review Rev.19:11-21.


Quasar92

 

[Quasar92]

That isn't the question, as you're well aware. The question is, again, why do we see no quotes, citations, or references to what the historical true Christian Church believed for over eighteen centuries about Daniel 9:24-27?

You received the answer to your above remarks which specifically pertain to them, that pertain to the prophetic time frame of the OP! Capiche?!


Quasar92

 

[BABerean2]

You received the answer to your above remarks which specifically pertain to them, that pertain to the prophetic time frame of the OP! Capiche?!


Quasar92

Daniel 9:24-27 is the timeline of the appearance of the "suffering servant" found in Isaiah chapter 53, who would fulfill the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled in Acts 10:38, and Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the New Covenant Church in Hebrews 12:22-24, and 2 Corinthians 3:6-8.

Those three passages from the Hebrew scriptures prove that the baby born in a manger is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15, through which all the families of the earth would be blessed in Genesis chapter 12.

His genealogy found in Matthew 1:1, is the most important genealogy found in the Bible, as confirmed by Paul in Galatians 3:16, and Titus 3:9.


Daniel Chapter 9: Dr. Kelly Varner

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[seventysevens]

Daniel 9:24-27 is the timeline of the appearance of the "suffering servant" found in Isaiah chapter 53, who would fulfill the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34,
.

You still don't understand the fallacy of what you say This has not yet happened !!

Jeremi ah 31
33
“This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel after that time,” declares the Lord.
“I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
34
No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest,”
declares the Lord.
“For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.”

The major part of Jews still reject Jesus as Messiah
which is why this scripture is about the FUTURE !

It will not happen until Jesus has returned !

 

[Douggg]

This does not answer the question of how supernaturally BEFORE the 70th week the muslims are destroyed
men killing men is not supernatural

Ezekiel 38:
Earthquake(s)
19 For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;

20 So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.

Confusion
21 And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother.

Pestilences, hailstones, firs, and brimstone (volcanoes it appears to me)
22 And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.

Ezekiel 39:
Fire (could be volcanoes, nuclear missles)
6 And I will send a fire on Magog, and among them that dwell carelessly in the isles: and they shall know that I am the LORD. [not Allah] Indonesia and Maylasia are big muslim countries

 

[seventysevens]

So you say that this ONLY happens to muslims ?
Not !

Ezekiel 38:
Earthquake(s)
19 For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;

20 So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.

Confusion
21 And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother.

Pestilences, hailstones, firs, and brimstone (volcanoes it appears to me)
22 And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.

Ezekiel 39:
Fire (could be volcanoes, nuclear missles)
6 And I will send a fire on Magog, and among them that dwell carelessly in the isles: and they shall know that I am the LORD. [not Allah] Indonesia and Maylasia are big muslim countries

 

[Douggg]

Most of what you post is pure non-scripural speculation with a very small part that can be supported by scripture. All of the Muslim nations will all be
intact when Jesus establishes His 1,000 year reign on earth. Review Rev.19:11-21.


Quasar92

Not as muslim nations though.

Zechariah 14:
9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

... and it won't be Allah.

 

[Douggg]

So you say that this ONLY happens to muslims ?
Not !

To those nations making up Gog's army. Russia is in Syria right now. Gog/Magog is not far away.

Separately, not part of Gog/Magog - the EU first has to reform itself into a ten king (leader) form of government, headed by the little horn.

Ezekiel 38:
2Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,

3 And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:

4 And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:

5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:

6 Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee.

 

[Quasar92]

Daniel 9:24-27 is the timeline of the appearance of the "suffering servant" found in Isaiah chapter 53, who would fulfill the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled in Acts 10:38, and Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the New Covenant Church in Hebrews 12:22-24, and 2 Corinthians 3:6-8.

Those three passages from the Hebrew scriptures prove that the baby born in a manger is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15, through which all the families of the earth would be blessed in Genesis chapter 12.

His genealogy found in Matthew 1:1, is the most important genealogy found in the Bible, as confirmed by Paul in Galatians 3:16, and Titus 3:9.


Daniel Chapter 9: Dr. Kelly Varner

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Dan.9:24-27 alludes to the Messiah, Jesus, and His being Cut-off/crucified. Reference to Him RNDS in verse 26. There is NO OTHER reference to Him in the rest of the prophecy!


Quasar92

 

[seventysevens]

This happens during the 70th week not before it

To those nations making up Gog's army. Russia is in Syria right now. Gog/Magog is not far away.

Separately, not part of Gog/Magog - the EU first has to reform itself into a ten king (leader) form of government, headed by the little horn.

Ezekiel 38:
2Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,

3 And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:

4 And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:

5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:

6 Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee.

 

[Quasar92]

Not as muslim nations though.

Zechariah 14:
9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

... and it won't be Allah.

Let me see your Scriptural proof for all the Muslim countries being exterminated ! Yhat is not only non-Scriptural, but complete fiction, as well!


Quasar92

 

[Douggg]

Let me see your Scriptural proof for all the Muslim countries being exterminated ! Yhat is not only non-Scriptural, but complete fiction, as well!


Quasar92

You misunderstand what I am saying. Not that those nations, everyone within exterminated, but they will not be muslim any longer - following Gog/Magog. They will quit Islam. And when Jesus returns, there will be no-one believing in Islam.

I don't why you think Zechariah 14:9 is fiction?

 

[BABerean2]

Dan.9:24-27 alludes to the Messiah, Jesus, and His being Cut-off/crucified. Reference to Him RNDS in verse 26. There is NO OTHER reference to Him in the rest of the prophecy!


Quasar92

The following comes from the 1599 Geneva Bible, which is the Bible the Pilgrims brought to America.

Dan 9:27 And he shal confirme the couenant with many for one weeke: and in the middes of the weeke he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the ouerspreading of the abominations, he shall make it desolate, euen vntill the consummation determined shalbe powred vpon the desolate.

Daniel 9:27
And he (a) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to (b) cease, (c) and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

(a) By the preaching of the Gospel he affirmed his promise, first to the Jews, and after to the Gentiles.

(b) Christ accomplished this by his death and resurrection.

(c) Meaning that Jerusalem and the sanctuary would be utterly destroyed because of their rebellion against God, and their idolatry: or as some read, that the plague will be so great, that they will all be astonished at them.

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Do you think the angel Gabriel came to announce the timeline of the New Covenant Messiah, and then he failed to even mention the New Covenant?

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[jgr]

Dan.9:24-27 alludes to the Messiah, Jesus, and His being Cut-off/crucified. Reference to Him RNDS in verse 26. There is NO OTHER reference to Him in the rest of the prophecy!


Quasar92

Daniel 9:24 refers to Christ's fulfilled accomplishments at Calvary in the contiguous 70th week.
Daniel 9:25 refers to the beginning of Christ's ministry in the contiguous 70th week.
Daniel 9:26 refers to Christ's crucifixion in the contiguous 70th week.
Daniel 9:27 refers to Christ's New Covenant confirmation, and the old covenant sacrifice cessation resulting from His final complete perfect sacrifice at Calvary, in the contiguous 70th week.

Christ is seen in every verse in the passage.

 

[Douggg]

This happens during the 70th week not before it

Not during, because the 7 years following Gog/Magog end when Jesus returns. Hal Lindsey has it wrong.

The 7 months of cleaning the land of the dead bodies of Gog's army - will not be during the great tribulation. But at the start of the 7 years.