Why I Don't Believe In Atheism's Creation Myth

[stignet]

There is no such thing as 'I never had an opportunity'.

This is sad, this tells everyone that you do not live in the real world.

 

[Mobiosity]

I think the point of Split Rock's comment was whether or not the threat for US, as humans is real.

So, not only do you indicate that it exists but that it is indeed for non Christians. Other Christians disagree with you. So, like I said, depends on the Christian you ask, their mood, and the debate they're in.

You are misunderstanding. The unsaved die in the lake of fire and that is the end of them. Which is what you expect to happen at death. The Beast, the False Prophet and Satan are to be tormented forever in it.

 

[Mobiosity]

So, this is another version of the "Christianity isn't a religion; it's a relationship with Jesus Christ" flawed argument.

No. Faith is not the same as religion. Religion is a man-made construct. Faith is from God. I would consider my religion to be Methodism.

 

[Mobiosity]

A loving god would personally intercede rather then expect people to believe he exists before they actually know he exists.

Ah, but He does. If you don't recognize that He has, the blame is yours.

 

[Tomatoman]

Ah, but He does. If you don't recognize that He has, the blame is yours.

This also gives you the added satisfaction of congratulating yourself on being clever enough to recognise that he has interceded on your behalf. "Oh, those poor fools who don't or won't see it. How lucky I am to be not to have been as foolish as them. Of course, the fault is all theirs, they had only to recognise that god was doing his best for them...just like I did..."

Can't you see what a loathsome belief system this is? And, once again, can't you see how childish?

I don't suppose you will. You didn't recognise it last time, so I don't suppose you will this time either.

 

[DDdreamer]

Ah, but He does. If you don't recognize that He has, the blame is yours.

Ah, then I have two questions for you:

1. Could you give me an example of when your god did something like this?

2. If this god of yours is as good and just as so many people says he is, why does he not do something that would without fail show everyone on earth that he exists? This way every single person on earth would be saved, would they not?

And as closure: some info about me. I've been an atheist my whole life and I have never witnessed anything that I might classify as "A god trying to show its existance to me". If I had I'd be a believer by now, seeing as I was really interested in all things "supernatural" as a kid. but so far, no supernatural events, nothing.

Marcus

 

[Mobiosity]

This also gives you the added satisfaction of congratulating yourself on being clever enough to recognise that he has interceded on your behalf. .

As far as I know, He has never interceded on my behalf. I'm not particularly clever so I can't congratulate myself on anything.

"Oh, those poor fools who don't or won't see it. How lucky I am to be not to have been as foolish as them. Of course, the fault is all theirs, they had only to recognise that god was doing his best for them...just like I did...".

It is indeed your choice. I was given the gift of great faith. I don't know why, but it has seen me through a tough life and given me hope for what happens after my death.

Can't you see what a loathsome belief system this is?

Why does what I believe matter so much to you?

And, once again, can't you see how childish?

I'll accept childlike, not childish. Comme ci comme ca

I don't suppose you will. You didn't recognise it last time, so I don't suppose you will this time either.

You've done nothing to persuade me otherwise. All I see is some bitterness overflowing.

 

[Mobiosity]

Should Clara Barton share the same fate as Adolf Hitler?

If neither are believers then, yes. Even Hitler doesn't deserve to suffer eternally for the actions of a lifetime.

 

[Mobiosity]

Ah, then I have two questions for you:

1. Could you give me an example of when your god did something like this?

He raised His son from the dead.

2. If this god of yours is as good and just as so many people says he is, why does he not do something that would without fail show everyone on earth that he exists? This way every single person on earth would be saved, would they not?

Raising folks from the dead is a pretty amazing. Folks don't believe it, didn't believe it. There's no reason why they'd believe it if He did it again.

And as closure: some info about me. I've been an atheist my whole life and I have never witnessed anything that I might classify as "A god trying to show its existance to me". If I had I'd be a believer by now, seeing as I was really interested in all things "supernatural" as a kid. but so far, no supernatural events, nothing.

Marcus

I can't help you. If you were to change your focus from "God show me something flashy so I can believe in you" to "Look at the amazing things that are all around me" you'd be able to hear the still small voice or the knock on the door of your heart.

 

[DDdreamer]

He raised His son from the dead.

Yes, that is the assertion. Do you have any proof of such a thing actually happening? Taking such an extraordinary claim at face value feels rather silly to me.

Raising folks from the dead is a pretty amazing. Folks don't believe it, didn't believe it. There's no reason why they'd believe it if He did it again.

Isn't your god supposed to be omnipotent? If he really intends to save us all he could convince people in the blink of an eye, no?

I can't help you. If you were to change your focus from "God show me something flashy so I can believe in you" to "Look at the amazing things that are all around me" you'd be able to hear the still small voice or the knock on the door of your heart.

Firstly, I didn't really mean "I want this god to show me something flashy", I meant it more like "Show me anything at all."

Secondly, yes, the world around us is amazing, I agree. But something being amazing does'nt really prove or evidences a god. You are just saying "Look how fantastic the world around us is, my god must have done it!". That's an assertion, not a proof.

Third, if your god exists I'd prefer it if he'd knock on the door of my brain instead of my heart. Seeing as my brain has a better track record than my heart when it comes to thinking and feeling ^^

Marcus

 

[AV1611VET]

If neither are believers then, yes. Even Hitler doesn't deserve to suffer eternally for the actions of a lifetime.

Let me get this straight; you believe in annihilation of the unregenerate after they die -- is that correct?

 

[Doveaman]

This also gives you the added satisfaction of congratulating yourself on being clever enough to recognise that he has interceded on your behalf. "Oh, those poor fools who don't or won't see it. How lucky I am to be not to have been as foolish as them.

Well, to be fair, "those poor fools" was not our idea. We read about the fools here:

The fool says in his heart, "There is no God." - Ps 53:1.

 

[Doveaman]

Could you give me an example of when your god did something like this?

Actually, He does it all the time, but to recognize it requires a sixth sense. God is very selective in who He gives this sixth sense to because some people are simply not interested in the truth even though they may think they are. This six sense comes through the Spirit of God as a gift from God to those who will truly desire truth, this is why some people recognize the truth and some don't:

"The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned." - 1 Cor 2:14.

 

[Mobiosity]

Let me get this straight; you believe in annihilation of the unregenerate after they die -- is that correct?

Yes. That is true.

 

[Tomatoman]

Doveaman:

Actually, He does it all the time, but to recognize it requires a sixth sense. God is very selective in who He gives this sixth sense to because some people are simply not interested in the truth even though they may think they are. This six sense comes through the Spirit of God as a gift from God to those who will truly desire truth, this is why some people recognize the truth and some don't:

It must be nice to be 'special'.

 

[Mobiosity]

Yes, that is the assertion. Do you have any proof of such a thing actually happening? Taking such an extraordinary claim at face value feels rather silly to me.

The only proof I have is that there were many who witnessed Jesus' death and resurrection and died very painful deaths for saying that it happened. Why would they be willing to suffer so much for a lie?

Isn't your god supposed to be omnipotent? If he really intends to save us all he could convince people in the blink of an eye, no?

He is omnipotent. I disagree that He'd convince everyone. There will always be someone who doubts their own senses. There will be others who refuse to have someone, even God, tell them what to do. There will be others who'd rather die than serve in heaven.

Firstly, I didn't really mean "I want this god to show me something flashy", I meant it more like "Show me anything at all."

My assumption was that you'd examined the evidence around you and decided it wasn't sufficient.

Secondly, yes, the world around us is amazing, I agree. But something being amazing does'nt really prove or evidences a god. You are just saying "Look how fantastic the world around us is, my god must have done it!". That's an assertion, not a proof.

The amazing things God has done, the way things fit together. The intricacies of the human body. Bees, oxygen, crops things that couldn't have happened without God's guidance or intervention.

Third, if your god exists I'd prefer it if he'd knock on the door of my brain instead of my heart. Seeing as my brain has a better track record than my heart when it comes to thinking and feeling ^^

And I'd prefer to be rich, brilliant and perfect.

 

[driewerf]

No one is going to Hell...

because there is no hell. There isn't a heaven neither.

 

[Mobiosity]

because there is no hell. There isn't a heaven neither.

Of course there is silly.

 

[Tomatoman]

Mobiosity:

crops

Actually, the crops we grow now are almost exclusively strains bred by man. They have about as much to do with the original plants found in the wild as chihuahuas do with wolves.

Just thought I'd mention that little snippet of interesting information. I haven't got the heart to dismantle the rest of your post. I'm quite a soppy old thing really.

 

[driewerf]

Actually, He does it all the time, but to recognize it requires a sixth sense. God is very selective in who He gives this sixth sense to because some people are simply not interested in the truth even though they may think they are. This six sense comes through the Spirit of God as a gift from God to those who will truly desire truth, this is why some people recognize the truth and some don't:

Interesting theology. How can your god curse someone to hell when it is himself who gives or does not give that sixth sense?