Why I Don't Believe In Atheism's Creation Myth

[Mobiosity]

So, you say it is even worse than torture. So, it seems that there is much confusion about the nature of Hell among believers.

Absolutely. That is one of the (to me) great things about Christianity; in essentials we are to stand firm that which is a matter of opinion we are to let flow around us. Jesus Christ was born, died and resurrected. We accept that and are Christian. Everything else is window dressing. I expect there will be dissention on this too.

 

[Split Rock]

Look around you. I didn't quote the scripture as proof, read and try to understand what its saying. Every thing you see is proof. Now you can make up your mind to ignore the proof or come up with alternate reasons for everything you see, I can't help you there.

So, if there is an alternative explanation, I should simply not accept it. Because if I do, it is my fault and into the good old Lake of Fire I go... correct?

Hell is not there to torture, its a place absent of God. The consequence of being without God is torture.

I thought I was without God already... it doesn't seem like torture or worse than torture... So why does a place absent of God look like a Lake of Fire? Shouldn't just be dark and empty?

 

[Split Rock]

Absolutely. That is one of the (to me) great things about Christianity; in essentials we are to stand firm that which is a matter of opinion we are to let flow around us. Jesus Christ was born, died and resurrected. We accept that and are Christian. Everything else is window dressing. I expect there will be dissention on this too.

Well, you seem to ba a very reasonable type. I have no problem with religion in general, just when people try to impose their religious beliefs on others... you don't appear to be like that. Thanks for your honest answers.

 

[Mobiosity]

Well, you seem to ba a very reasonable type. I have no problem with religion in general, just when people try to impose their religious beliefs on others... you don't appear to be like that. Thanks for your honest answers.

You'd be surprised. How many others have told me that I am 1) Bigoted 2) Violent 3) Greedy because I am a right wing Christian. Thanks for reading what I had to say.

Some on the left have shown surprise that I am at all reasonable. It tends to make me wonder why they see themselves as inclusive when they will exclude me because of my politics.

 

[Tomatoman]

Doveaman:

That's a very good question, one that I often ask myself as well. I think it has to do with God knowing who will wisely use the sixth sense when given and who will reject it if given:

How do you cope with the awesome privilege of having been given your sixth sense, Doveaman? Do you ever find yourself thinking "Why me? Why did God choose me? What is it about me that is different?" Do such questions keep you awake at night? Perhaps God has a special plan for you, Dove. A mission for you and you alone.

Do you ever find your sixth sense a burden and long merely to be as 'other mortals'?

 

[Honkytnkmn]

So, if there is an alternative explanation, I should simply not accept it. Because if I do, it is my fault and into the good old Lake of Fire I go... correct?

There is an absolute truth and there are lies.

I thought I was without God already... it doesn't seem like torture or worse than torture...

You are not totally without God, you may deny God but you still benefit from the qualities of God on Earth. Love, Compassion, Truth, Justice.

So why does a place absent of God look like a Lake of Fire? Shouldn't just be dark and empty?

I don't know.

 

[Tomatoman]

honkytnkmn:

There is an absolute truth and there are lies.

So, given the name of this forum, the obvious question is to ask you where evolution currently resides on your Absolute Truth - Lies scale. I'm guessing it won't be too close to the Absolute Truth end, but I could be wrong.

 

[Mobiosity]

rosenherman:


Just honest wonderment at how it feels to be one of God's chosen ones.

Blessed. Thankful for His blessings.

 

[sandwiches]

Of course not. No cults or religions have had the Son of God killed and then resurrected.

Don't switch the goal posts. You asked "Why would they be willing to suffer so much for a lie?" There have been countless cults and religions who's adherents have suffered pain and death. Is martyrdom alone enough reason to believe one religion over another? If not, then you can stop mentioning the people who have suffered for Christianity as it's irrelevant to this conversation.

I might ask you the same question. You seem intent on tearing down Christianity.

Again, why aren't you Muslim?

Sort of blows a hole in our God given free choice.

I didn't say that he should use his divine powers to automagically change our minds. I said that he'd know what would convince us.

Then it wouldn't be faith would it?

Why must we have faith in your deity instead of relying on our physical senses?

Your inability to understand doesn't make them baseless.

You're correct. It's your lack of evidence that makes them baseless.

Oh He does.

How?

 

[rockaction]

Of course not. No cults or religions have had the Son of God killed and then resurrected.

Life-death-rebirth deity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If you use the whole "they died horrible deaths so it MUST be true!" angle, then Joseph Smith must have been right too.

 

[driewerf]

There is an absolute truth and there are lies.

Really?
There are no errors, no inacurracies, no hypothesis still to tested... onmy truth and lies?

Well tell me, my boy. Can you name one leading creationist, like Kent Hovind, Henry Morris, Ken Ham, who has not been caught lying?

Will you take the challenge to defend this creationist article
Bible-Believing Scientists of the Past , chosen by skywriting, as the very best creationist article ever?
If so, I invite you to post here:
http://www.christianforums.com/t7492379/

 

[Mobiosity]

Don't switch the goal posts. You asked "Why would they be willing to suffer so much for a lie?" There have been countless cults and religions who's adherents have suffered pain and death. Is martyrdom alone enough reason to believe one religion over another? If not, then you can stop mentioning the people who have suffered for Christianity as it's irrelevant to this conversation.

Let me try it this way. They were given a choice of renouncing Jesus resurrection. They insisted that He was alive and they'd seen Him and spoken to Him. They chose to die for what they knew to be true.

Again, why aren't you Muslim?

Well, two reasons, 1) that path doesn't lead to salvation 2) I'm a Christian.

I didn't say that he should use his divine powers to automagically change our minds. I said that he'd know what would convince us.

And I'm sure He does.

Why must we have faith in your deity instead of relying on our physical senses?

I have no idea. He designed us and that is the way He chose to do it. I'll ask Him when I get there.

You're correct. It's your lack of evidence that makes them baseless.

comme ci comme ca

How?

It's as plain as the nose on your face.

 

[Mobiosity]

Life-death-rebirth deity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If you use the whole "they died horrible deaths so it MUST be true!" angle, then Joseph Smith must have been right too.

Quite the non-sequitur.

 

[driewerf]

Well, two reasons, 1) that path doesn't lead to salvation

You believe that path leads to salvation. Just like a mulims believes the islam leads to salvation. Just one belief against another.

 

[driewerf]

Let me try it this way. They were given a choice of renouncing Jesus resurrection. They insisted that He was alive and they'd seen Him and spoken to Him. They chose to die for what they knew to be true.

But then again, many believers of other cults or religions faced that choice and choose to die for their faith. So that makes their religion true too?

 

[Mobiosity]

But then again, many believers of other cults or religions faced that choice and choose to die for their faith. So that makes their religion true too?

Beats me. It would seem dying for your faith and dying for a fact are widely different.

 

[Mobiosity]

You believe that path leads to salvation. Just like a mulims believes the islam leads to salvation. Just one belief against another.

Actually they don't believe they know that they are forgiven. They do good things and hope that is enough. So their path doesn't necessarily lead to salvation.

 

[Cabal]

Er...that's not evidence, that's an assertion. A silly one, to boot.

Not to mention circular reasoning

 

[Honkytnkmn]

Actually they don't believe they know that they are forgiven. They do good things and hope that is enough. So their path doesn't necessarily lead to salvation.

Right on the money. The difference is they think its "what they can do" to get salvation. Christians believe there is nothing "We" can do to earn salvation (other than accepting the gift) which is why we need Christ.

 

[MoonLancer]

Beats me. It would seem dying for your faith and dying for a fact are widely different.

I'm sure the one who dies for faith says the same thing. Only they believe they are dieing for something that is true and everyone else is dying for faith.

Quite a paradox. Which was is true? we will never know.