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Mas sabe el diablo por viejo que por diablo.
Justice who? What's his/her last name? Is he/she related to God?
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Justice who? What's his/her last name? Is he/she related to God?
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Does it matter? Does justice in a court of law have a last name?
Justice demands penalties. Once the penalty of the guilty has been paid the guilty can go free. Assuming he or she is still alive, of course.
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Mas sabe el diablo por viejo que por diablo.
So, justice is an independent concept, then. Good. I thought you believed it was associated with your deity, somehow.
If that's not the case, then why quote the Bible as the ultimate authority on justice?
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Genesis 18:25 That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?
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Here's a few explanations (none of which I agree with):
* ‘In fact, the love and justice of God demand that there is a literal, eternal hell for the unbeliever. Dr. Norman Geisler explains that even though unbelievers inhabit in a literal, fiery hell, God is still a God of infinite love. He says, “Absolute love, far from being incompatible with hell, actually demands its existence.”’, Spencer, ‘The Destruction of Hell: Annihilationism Examined’, Christian Apologetics Journal (1.1.8-9), 1992
* ‘In truth, it is clearly more unjust to “extinguish humans with an intrinsic value than to allow them to continue living in a state with a low quality of life.”’, ibid., p. 9; readers may reflect on whether the eternal torments of ‘hell’ are described accurately with the term ‘living in a state with a low quality of life’
* ‘Furthermore, hell is a loving gift as a place of separation from God, His people, and the activities that occur in heaven.’, ibid., p. 10
* ‘Rather than compromising the morality, love, and justice of God, the traditional view of hell proves that God is infinitely loving, moral, and just.’, ibid., p. 10
I don't understand how anyone can write things like this and still keep a straight face.
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God knows that some things require justice. So God demands and carries out justice as appropriate.
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Contrary to the quotes I provided, annihilationism is infinitely more loving than the belief in eternal torment in hell. Given the choice, I'd rather cease to exist than live forever in a lake of fire, constantly in pain and never having the opportunity to join the others. Yes, God is just, but this belief in conscious eternal existence in hell as opposed to annihilation has gone beyond justice and into the realms of pure evil.
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Should Clara Barton share the same fate as Adolf Hitler?
False dichotomy.
There is no such thing as 'I never had an opportunity'.
You don't see a third option?
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I agree. However, I believe that the punishment God imposes on the non-saved is purely corrective punishment, chastisement, and will come to an end with all knowing God's grace. This, to me, is the full embodiment of pure love and pure justice as one.
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I've no idea who Clara Barton is.
I am comparing one belief with another belief and I don't care if other people of other religions believe something completely different.
I'm talking about opportunities to repent. People living in 12th century Mongolia can hardly be described as having an opportunity in the first place, so why should they be punished in hell-fire for all eternity without opportunity for repentance and the ability to move from eternal pain to eternal happiness? It just doesn't make sense.
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