Balance of Truth as expressed in Biblical Scripture and Science

[dlamberth]

Rev 20 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.”

Which would include randomness as it sits in the middle of Alpha and Omega. We see it in action with in the essence of our everyday lives. It's one of those activities that is the knowledge and knowing of God as He lets His Creation play out on it's own.

 

[Diamond72]

Which would include randomness as it sits in the middle of Alpha and Omega.

Nothing exists between the Omega and the Alpha. In our solar system nothing is random. Even if the gravity is different due to the configuration of the planets in proportion to each other.

Gravity plays a crucial role in maintaining the balance and order of celestial bodies. The gravitational forces between planets, the Sun, and other objects in the solar system create a dynamic equilibrium that governs their orbits and movements. This delicate balance is far from random and is a testament to the underlying principles of physics that shape our cosmos.

It's incredible how these gravitational interactions result in predictable patterns, from the orbits of planets to the formation of galaxies. The study of these interactions helps us understand the complexities and the beauty of the universe.

 

[dlamberth]

Nothing exists between the Omega and the Alpha. In our solar system nothing is random. Even if the gravity is different due to the configuration of the planets in proportion to each other.

Gravity plays a crucial role in maintaining the balance and order of celestial bodies. The gravitational forces between planets, the Sun, and other objects in the solar system create a dynamic equilibrium that governs their orbits and movements. This delicate balance is far from random and is a testament to the underlying principles of physics that shape our cosmos.

It's incredible how these gravitational interactions result in predictable patterns, from the orbits of planets to the formation of galaxies. The study of these interactions helps us understand the complexities and the beauty of the universe.

All of existence, both the seen and unseen exist between Omega and Alpha. Your focus is only on the physical. There's also the everyday life the we live through. Much of what happens during the day that you and I live through is random.

 

[Diamond72]

Much of what happens during the day that you and I live through is random.

Psalm 139:16 expresses the idea that God is intimately involved in our lives, knowing us even before we were born. The verse states:

"Your eyes saw my unformed body; all the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be."

This verse signifies that God has a plan and purpose for each of us. It reflects the belief that our lives are known and guided by God from the very beginning

 

[NxNW]

"Your eyes saw my unformed body; all the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be."

This verse signifies that God has a plan and purpose for each of us. It reflects the belief that our lives are known and guided by God from the very beginning.

Free will cannot exist if the above is true.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Free will cannot exist if the above is true.

What exactly is "free will"?

From the way some of you atheists talk, you make make it sound like a slave master has control over every thought of a slave.

 

[NxNW]

What exactly is "free will"?

From the way some of you atheists talk, you make make it sound like a slave master has control over every thought of a slave.

If there is an omniscient god, then your every thought and action is preordained. There is nothing you can think or do that was not put in motion far before your birth. You make no choices whatsoever, though you may have the illusion of making them. You are nothing but an automaton.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

If there is an omniscient god, then your every thought and action is preordained. There is nothing you can think or do that was not put in motion far before your birth. You make no choices whatsoever, though you may have the illusion of making them. You are nothing but an automaton.

Where in the Bible are you getting this perspective of "all-knowing" from? Your definition sounds more like one that fits solely within a "God-of-the-Philosophers" schemata that is entrenched and rigid rather than within a Biblically inclined schemata that is absolute but mysterious.

The fact is, none of us knows what superlative qualia actually are, if they exist, or how they work. Sure, we can make up words like "omniscient" and think we're making a firm reference to some specific idea or quality, but we're not actually obtaining any information from 'outside' ourselves to inform us either empirically or rationally as to what exactly Omni-science can do, will do or has to do.

I don't think anyone has to accept what you're saying here since it doesn't seem sound. No one has to agree with Calvin. In fact, I gave you the beginnings of an alternative view and you simply dismissed it, and your dismissal doesn't do anything of an analytical nature. It especially doesn't delineate with any precision which of us might (or might not) be the one committing a Modal Fallacy.

Foreknowledge and Free Will | Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy

iep.utm.edu

 

[dlamberth]

What exactly is "free will"?

From the way some of you atheists talk, you make make it sound like a slave master has control over every thought of a slave.

Please, I don't mean what I'm about to say as disrespectful at all. But...sometimes the way some people throw references to the power of the Holy Spirit in their lives to justify one thing or another does comes across like they do believe they are under control by a type of slave master. That's been my observation is all and I have no desire to argue the point.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Please, I don't mean what I'm about to say as disrespectful at all. But...sometimes the way some people throw references to the power of the Holy Spirit in their lives to justify one thing or another does comes across like they do believe they are under control by a type of slave master. That's been my observation is all and I have no desire to argue the point.

Well, that's good that you don't want to argue the point, dlamberth, because my earlier statement about slave masters and slaves in connection to free will and foreknowledge had absolutely nothing to do with any reference to the Holy Spirit.

My point in addressing the issue in the way I did was to infer that slaves always have their own person, their own thoughts, their own perceptions, their own goals, and their own desires for autonomy, free from the totality of the Master's will. Why? Because they can be.

So, my apologies if my metaphor was confusing.............. and no offense taken.

 

[Ophiolite]

Where in the Bible are you getting this perspective of "all-knowing" from?

Well, there is God's awareness of the fall of a single member of the Passeridae. Are you suggesting His omniscience is confined to ornithology?

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Well, there is God's awareness of the fall of a single member of the Passeridae. Are you suggesting His omniscience is confined to ornithology?

I appreciate your humor here.

 

[Ophiolite]

I appreciate your humor here.

While couched lightheartedly, it is also a serious question/objection.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

While couched lightheartedly, it is also a serious question/objection.

I'm not sure how it can be, hermeneutically speaking. That verse has almost nothing to do with the topic of God's all-knowing status. If anything, it focuses on His Sovereignty and Authority, but people seem to extrapolate out of it a bunch of other connotations that, for the life of me, I don't read in it.

 

[Ophiolite]

I'm not sure how it can be, hermeneutically speaking. That verse has almost nothing to do with the topic of God's all-knowing status. If anything, it focuses on His Sovereignty and Authority, but people seem to extrapolate out of it a bunch of other connotations that, for the life of me, I don't read in it.

I quite understand that this is your view, but you surely acknowledge that such a view is not held by all theologians (clerics, ministers, believers, etc.)? You seem tobe trying to bolster a disputed position by adopting an authoratative tone. It's a neat rhetorical trick, but it doesn't really do anything for your argument. I'm quite happy if you just wish to conclude by noting your position is shared by many others, but by no means all.

My position is that, semantically, while omniscience is not explicitly referenced, the implicit recognition is strong.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I quite understand that this is your view, but you surely acknowledge that such a view is not held by all theologians (clerics, ministers, believers, etc.)? You seem tobe trying to bolster a disputed position by adopting an authoratative tone. It's a neat rhetorical trick, but it doesn't really do anything for your argument. I'm quite happy if you just wish to conclude by noting your position is shared by many others, but by no means all.

My position is that, semantically, while omniscience is not explicitly referenced, the implicit recognition is strong.

If anything, I've now learned from Matthew 10:27-31 and Luke 12:4-7 that I need not fear anyone in this world because...........God knows how many sparrows can be sold for a copper coin or two (or five apparently) and how many hairs are on my head.

Somehow, though, that doesn't sound right; but I acknowledge the fact that other people may read something in the Bible differently than I do.

I could also be wrong or incomplete in my assessment. That sort of thing does happen, from time to time.

 

[Radagast]

Free will cannot exist if the above is true.

Depends on what you mean by "free will."