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Why I Don't Believe In Atheism's Creation Myth
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Mas sabe el diablo por viejo que por diablo.
So, you answer one question but not this one? Not surprising.
So, I ask again, is it possible for me to pick a choice other than what this deity KNOWS I WILL PICK?
AV may drive me nuts with his fundamentalism but at the same time, his (usually) consistently unabashed and unapologetic belief makes him a little more pleasant to debate with (mostly.)
Now, the question is this: If you cannot select a choice other than the one you will pick, how do you have a real choice?
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He knows what you're going to choose. He's not making you choose anything.So, you answer one question but not this one? Not surprising.
So, I ask again, is it possible for me to pick a choice other than what this deity KNOWS I WILL PICK?
AV may drive me nuts with his fundamentalism but at the same time, his (usually) consistently unabashed and unapologetic belief makes him a little more pleasant to debate with (mostly.)
Now, the question is this: If you cannot select a choice other than the one you will pick, how do you have a real choice?
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Mas sabe el diablo por viejo que por diablo.
Strawman. I never said nor implied he made you choose anything.
What I am saying is that choice only exists when you CAN select ANY of the choices available to you. If you cannot, then it's not a choice. If I cannot select something other than what he knows I WILL pick, then I have no choice in the matter.
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Mobiosity
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Of course you have a choice. You choose what you are going to do. You choose what you want, or you choose something else. He knows, that doesn't mean you don't have a choice. He created you, He knows you better than you know yourself. Of course He knows what you're going to pick.
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If we truly have a choice, then God cannot know what we will choose. If He does know, then we do not have a choice.
If God knows what I am going to have for dinner, can I choose to have something else?
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But I can't choose to have something other than what He knows I will have, correct?
It's just around lunch time where I am. But God knows what I am going to have for dinner. He knows that I am going to have pasta. Am I able to choose to have something else for dinner? Yes, I can "choose" something else, and He would know that. But he absolutely, in His omniscient way, knows exatly what I am going to have for dinner. If He knows absolutely, in His omniscient way, that I will have pasta, is there any way for me to choose to have something else?
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AV may drive me nuts with his fundamentalism but at the same time, his (usually) consistently unabashed and unapologetic belief makes him a little more pleasant to debate with (mostly.)
-- thank youFrom that perspective, you don't; but if you want to look at it that way, then what you are actually saying is that you have no choice but to be able to select a choice.
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No -- from God's perspective, you already had it.
Isaiah 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,
Isaiah 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
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Mas sabe el diablo por viejo que por diablo.
I think AV understood my point. If you can't select other than what god knows you will, you don't really have a choice.
From that perspective, you don't; but if you want to look at it that way, then what you are actually saying is that you have no choice but to be able to select a choice.
Well, to be precise, we don't have a choice but to select the choice God knows we will.
This is pretty interesting. In a sense, if we were omniscient, we would know everything that's happened and ever WILL. So, in effect, it'd be like watching a movie. The characters in the movie act as though they have a choice, but you already know the choice they will (did?) make.
In a sense, God would be the ultimate wave function 'collapser' and he would have already observed the true state of Schrodinger's cat. =Pwe
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Yes, we do - the "choices we'll make".
But we did "choose it".
What I am seeing is that no matter how you try to swing it we still "choose it" and the "choices we'll make" are optional.
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