Why do SDA preach

[NBB]

Why some adventist say people need to keep the sabbath even to be saved if the bible
says plainly,
THAT, if i consider every day alike and i'm convinced i'm not doing anything wrong.

 

[Adventist Heretic]

I don't see it that way.

It's not a matter of seeing it in a particular way it's a matter of interpreting the text properly and it's context and you are not interpreting the text properly

 

[Adventist Heretic]

You're not doing proper exegesis you're taking one passage of scripture Colossians 2 and linking it with another passage scripture in Romans. that link is invalid. You are supposed to look at them individually in their context look at the application in context and then pull them out of context and reapply them in our situation today when you do that the context denies you your rejection of the Sabbath day

 

[NBB]

You're not doing proper exegesis you're taking one passage of scripture Colossians 2 and linking it with another passage scripture in Romans. that link is invalid. You are supposed to look at them individually in their context look at the application in context and then pull them out of context and reapply them in our situation today when you do that the context denies you your rejection of the Sabbath day

Its plain text, the context is ok with it too, its a sentence in clear text, that you are ok if you are convinced to not hold any day sacred, i don't know what kind of twist you can give it to it.

 

[BobRyan]

Ellen White is the one who changed the Sabbath from a day of rest to a day of worship.

Until you read actual history of it.

And until you read the Bible and admit that both "Seventh-day Baptists" and 'Messianic Jews" -- Exist.

Lev 23:2-3 says the Sabbath is a day of "Holy Convocation" -- and was not "written by Ellen White"
Is 66:23 said that for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to worship" -- Is 66 was not written by Ellen White

The Westminster Confession of Faith - does not agree with your claim - and it was not written by Ellen White

D.L. Moody's sermon on the TEN Commandments - regarding the Sabbath - does not agree with your claim -- and was not written by Ellen White

C.H. Spurgeon does not agree with your claim - and not a student of Ellen White

 

[BobRyan]

it just says sabbaths there, if this was so important you think Paul would have mentioned it, but he just speaks against the need of keeping the sabbath.

It limits it to the "Shadow" Sabbaths in Lev 23 - the annual feast Sabbaths

 

[BobRyan]

God's Word is not tricks. I quoted scripture, not EW. God tells us to keep His Sabbath day holy. Exodus 20:8 The only trick was the group who changed God's holy day without biblical authority that Jesus warned us about. Matthew 15:3-9. Your argument is not with me or EW, it with with our Creator because these are His commandments that God personally wrote. You should be able to find these and the other 170 + scriptures that reference God's holy Sabbath day in your own bible. That would be a trick if EW changed scriptures in everyone's bibles without anyone knowing. But they are God's Word and should we not obey God over man? Exodus 20:8-11, Genesis 2:1-3, Isaiah 58:13, Ezekiel 20:20, Ezekiel 20:12, Exodus 31:16, Mark 2:27.

Amen! Good point

 

[BobRyan]

sorry i have to interject here, While i disagree with Ellen White, and I don't like how some people approach this subject, you are incorrect about the Council of Jerusalem. Sabbath is not mentioned there because it was not the issue. .

It was mentioned in the Acts 15 council - but was not an issue.

19 Therefore, it is my judgment that we do not cause trouble for those from the Gentiles who are turning to God, 20 but that we write to them that they abstain from things contaminated by idols, from
acts of sexual immorality, from what has been strangled, and from blood. 21 For from ancient generations Moses has those who preach him in every city, since he is read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”

since the synagogue meets on Sabbath we assume they are still keeping the Sabbath. In fact acts 15 tells us that they are. is says "From Sabbath to Sabbath Moses is preached. Col 2 is about not letting Jews who attend the synagogue tell you, you are not reconciled back to Christ.

This is a very good point

Notice that we see gentiles "in the synagogues" - "Every Sabbath" in Acts 18:1-4, Acts 17:1-6 and in Acts 13 it is the GENTILES asking for -- more gospel preaching -- to happen "the NEXT Sabbath"

 

[NBB]

It limits it to the "Shadow" Sabbaths in Lev 23 - the annual feast Sabbaths

It doesn't say that. And if it were important even to the point of a salvation issue, it would be all over the place in the letters. He just speak against all this on the contrary.

 

[BobRyan]

Why do SDA preach more about the Sabbath rather then making Jesus the center of SDA preaching?

Answer -- They don't do that.

(I just preached a sermon today on "sola scriptura" testing of all doctrine and showing how Jesus is the cause of our salvation and the gifts given to the church .. Rom 8:32 "32 He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him over for us all, how will He not also with Him freely give us all things?"

 

[BobRyan]

BobRyan said: ↑
It limits it to the "Shadow" Sabbaths in Lev 23 - the annual feast Sabbaths

It doesn't say that. And if it were important even to the point of a salvation issue, it would be all over the place in the letters. He just speak against all this on the contrary.

Col 2:17 things which are only a shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ

Shadow Sabbaths like the shadow animal sacrifices pointed forward to the sacrifice of Christ

Still - in Col 2 Paul is not "condemning scripture" -- -he himself observed ceremonies in Acts 21 to "prove a point" about keeping the Law. Paul is condemning two things in Col 2
1. Making stuff up
2. Judging others

No wonder Isaiah says that for all eternity after the cross, in the new Earth "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before me to worship" Is 66:23

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I don't see how you can confuse this:

n Colossians 2:16-17, the apostle Paul declares, “Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.” Similarly, Romans 14:5 states, “One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.” These Scriptures make it clear that, for the Christian, Sabbath-keeping is a matter of spiritual freedom, not a command from God. Sabbath-keeping is an issue on which God’s Word instructs us not to judge each other. Sabbath-keeping is a matter about which each Christian needs to be fully convinced in his/her own mind.

There is more than one Sabbath in the Bible. There is the weekly Sabbath written in stone personally by the finger of God. Exodus 20:8-11 This is part of the covenant of the Ten Commandments and is eternal Psalms 89:34 and points back as a memorial of creation Genesis 2:1-3.

There is the annual sabbath(s) that is an ordinance in the law of Moses and is about food and drink, the annual sabbath(s) feast days and fits the context of these scriptures.

If you believe in Paul’s writing you should also believe when Paul tells us:

1 Corinthians 7:19 but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.

Hope this helps.

God bless

 

[NBB]

There is more than one Sabbath in the Bible. There is the weekly Sabbath written in stone personally by the finger of God. Exodus 20:8-11 This is part of the covenant of the Ten Commandments and is eternal Psalms 89:34 and points back as a memorial of creation Genesis 2:1-3.

There is the annual sabbath(s) that is an ordinance in the law of Moses and is about food a drink, the annual sabbath(s) feast days and fits the context of these scriptures.

If you believe in Paul’s writing you should also believe when Paul tells us:

1 Corinthians 7:19 but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.

Hope this helps.

God bless

You would think Paul would be more specific if this was an important issue/commandment.
And this interpretation you make doens't make sense, Paul is talking 'simbolic' and with 'enigmas' here?, or we should just listen what the plain text says. I don't know how you get that information out of that sentence.
OF course keeping the commandments is important, but the new pact is different and changed lots of things.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You would think Paul would be more specific if this was an important issue/commandment.
And this interpretation you make doens't make sense, Paul is talking 'simbolic' and with 'enigmas' here?, or we should just listen what the plain text says. I don't know how you get that information out of that sentence.
OF course keeping the commandments is important, but the new pact is different and changed lots of things.

God’s commandments are pretty specific. They are found in Exodus 20 now written in our heart and mind and they are the only scripture in the entire bible that God personally wrote on stone because they are eternal. Psalms 89:34 The Ten are the only commandments that God stored inside His ark in the Most Holy of God’s Tabernacle. If you do not think what God personally wrote with His own hand is important than that is between you and our Most High, our Creator and Redeemer.

Talk about plain text- how much clearer can this be?

Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Isaiah 58:13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words,
14 Then you shall delight yourself in the Lord;
And I will cause you to ride on the high hills of the earth,

Jesus said: The Sabbath was made for man Mark 2:27

 

[Albion]

You would think Paul would be more specific if this was an important issue/commandment.

Absolutely.

And this interpretation you make doens't make sense, Paul is talking 'simbolic' and with 'enigmas' here?, or we should just listen what the plain text says.

Go with what the Bible text says but stop reading after the Gospel of John because all the books following shouldn't have been included in the Bible.

That's basically what I get from all the posts that address the only religious practice that is ever stressed--what time of the week should the worship service start?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Or we can go with God’s Word:

All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 2 Timothy 3:16

 

[BobRyan]

You would think Paul would be more specific if this was an important issue/commandment.

1. Paul said "what matters is keeping the commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19
2. Paul said those commandments include the TEN where "honor your father and mother is the FIRST commandment with a promise" Eph 6:1-2
3. Paul is in the synagogues "every Sabbath" Acts 18:4 preaching the Gospel to gentiles - not just Jews
4. In Col 2 Paul specifically states that all the restrictions he is discussing are the "shadows" the predictive ones pointing to the sacrifice of Christ. Col 2:17

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OF course keeping the commandments is important, but the new pact is different and changed lots of things.

The "New Covenant" is here - verbatim - Jer 31:31-34 and it says that God writes the LAW known to Jeremiah and his readers as defining what sin is - "on heart and mind"

 

[Adventist Heretic]

Its plain text, the context is ok with it too, its a sentence in clear text, that you are ok if you are convinced to not hold any day sacred, i don't know what kind of twist you can give it to it.

 

[Adventist Heretic]

So you know greek? Your're not following correct hermanutic and your interpretation is out of context

 

[BobRyan]

The question was, what part of the law gentiles needed to keep. keyword i think here is KEEP.
And then the apostles teached further, even saying directly in plain text that you don't need to keep any special day, that is up to you.

1. No text says that.
2. Is 56:6-8 specifically singles out gentiles for keeping the 7th day Sabbath
3. Is 66:23 says for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth - "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to worship"
4. Mark 2:27 "the Sabbath was MADE for MANKIND not mankind MADE for the Sabbath" which speaks to the "making of BOTH" in Genes 1:2-2:3 Creation week.
5. Nothing in Rom 14 says "one man observes no day and that is fine"