Why do SDA preach

[BobRyan]

the idea that nobody assembled on the Sabbath to hear those Gospel sermons "every Sabbath" but rather they just kept resting in their homes and watching the sermons over ZOOM or heard them through open windows in the house -seems a bit extreme.

Lev 23:3
“’There are six days when you may work, but the seventh day is a day of Sabbath rest, a day of sacred assembly. You are not to do any work; wherever you live, it is a Sabbath to the LORD.NIV

‘Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work on it; it is the Sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings. NKJV

Acts 13:
14 But going on from Perga, they arrived at Pisidian Antioch, and on the Sabbath day they went into the synagogue and sat down. 15 After the reading of the Law and the Prophets the synagogue officials sent to them, saying, “Brethren, if you have any word of exhortation for the people, say it.” 16 Paul stood up, and motioning with his hand said,“Men of Israel, and you who fear God, listen

42 As Paul and Barnabas were going out, the people kept begging that these things might be spoken to them the next Sabbath. 43 Now when the meeting of the synagogue had broken up, many of the Jews and of the God-fearing proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, were urging them to continue in the grace of God.
44 The next Sabbath nearly the whole city assembled to hear the word of the Lord

Acts 17:
Now when they had traveled through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where there was a synagogue of the Jews. 2 And according to Paul’s custom, he went to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures, 3 explaining and giving evidence that the Christ had to suffer and rise again from the dead, and saying, “This Jesus whom I am proclaiming to you is the Christ.” 4 And some of them were persuaded and joined Paul and Silas, along with a large number of the God-fearing Greeks and a number of the leading women.


Acts 16:
11 So putting out to sea from Troas, we ran a straight course to Samothrace, and on the day following to Neapolis; 12 and from there to Philippi, which is a leading city of the district of Macedonia, a Roman colony; and we were staying in this city for some days. 13 And on the Sabbath day we went outside the gate to a riverside, where we were supposing that there would be a place of prayer; and we sat down and began speaking to the women who had assembled.

Acts 18:
. 4 And he was reasoning in the synagogue every Sabbath and trying to persuade Jews and Greeks.

Amazing how often we see "solemn assemblies" on Sabbath with Gospel preaching even in the NT


Is 66: "23 ...from one Sabbath to another, shall all mankind come to worship before me, saith the Lord." -- and Isaiah's readers knew that Sabbath is a day of worship as Lev 23:2-3 had already stated.

That's conjecture. You have to speculate about this, .

I suggest more attention to the actual Bible details above - would help your argument a lot.

Maybe they assembled to worship on the sabbath (more conjecture),

Or maybe to "play chess"??

How about looking at the actual texts showing what they were doing for "holy convocation" and "Solemn Assembly"??

If there was, you'd actually have an irrefutable slam dunk.

I call it reading the actual post

Today at 2:30 PM #119

 

[Albion]

Nope - you just have "Holy Convocation" and "sacred Assembly" on Sabbath for that "Worship" element

Who does?

 

[BobRyan]

Who does?

What is a Sacred Assembly? In the Old Testament, sacred (or solemn) assemblies were occasions for God’s people to repent of personal and corporate sins, to renew their covenant relationship with the Lord, and to return to the Lord in faithful love and obedience.
A Sacred Assembly Preparation Guide.

This is "the easy part" when it comes to knowing what "Sacred Assembly" and "Holy Convocation" is

I highly recommend reading Today at 2:30 PM #119

 

[Albion]

What is a Sacred Assembly? In the Old Testament, sacred (or solemn) assemblies were occasions for God’s people to repent of personal and corporate sins, to renew their covenant relationship with the Lord, and to return to the Lord in faithful love and obedience.
A Sacred Assembly Preparation Guide.

This is "the easy part" when it comes to knowing what "Sacred Assembly" and "Holy Convocation" is

So Jews should observe the Sacred Assembly thing? But I'm not Jewish; I'm a Christian, and neither of these terms is commonly used to describe worship services. Or was all of it meant for MMXX exclusively?

Plus Christians don't usually worship on the Sabbath anyway.

Apparently, some bell was supposed to ring at the mention of such references, but again, we could stand to have an explanation concerning what that whole line of argument was supposed to mean to us.

 

[BobRyan]

What is a Sacred Assembly? In the Old Testament, sacred (or solemn) assemblies were occasions for God’s people to repent of personal and corporate sins, to renew their covenant relationship with the Lord, and to return to the Lord in faithful love and obedience.
A Sacred Assembly Preparation Guide.

This is "the easy part" when it comes to knowing what "Sacred Assembly" and "Holy Convocation" is

I highly recommend reading Today at 2:30 PM #119

So Jews should observe the Sacred Assembly thing? But I'm not Jewish;

In that post above (that you are responding to) -- I end by highly recommending that one reads post 119.

So then if that were done -- we would have this.

1. "Definition" of "Sacred Assembly" - "Holy Convocation" absolutely includes all the assemblies on Sabbath that we see in the NT examples given there
2. Those assemblies included BOTH - Gentiles and Jews.
3. Terms like "God fearers" and "proselytes" refer gentile that worship the one true God as did Timothy - but had not been circumcised - and so were not considered "brethren" -- the same as Jews. So then in Acts 16:1-4 Paul has Timothy circumcised for example who although he used believe in the God of the Bible and worship the God of the Bible - was not a circumcised Jew, rather he was living as an uncircumcised gentile believer in the God of the Bible - since his father was a gentile.

Apparently, some bell was supposed to ring at the mention of such references, but again, we could stand to have an explanation concerning what that whole line of argument was supposed to mean to us.

I was responding to a post where someone suggested that "Solemn assembly" and "Holy Convocation" in the context of a Lev 23:3 Sabbath service could not possibly be the worship services that we see in all those NT examples and that we see in Isaiah 66:23

 

[Albion]

I was responding to a post where someone suggested that "Solemn assembly" and "Holy Convocation" in the context of a Lev 23:3 Sabbath service could not possibly be the worship services that we see in all those NT examples and that we see in Isaiah 66:23

OK. I guess I let it go at that.

 

[ozso]

I suggest more attention to the actual Bible details above - would help your argument a lot.



Or maybe to "play chess"??

How about looking at the actual texts showing what they were doing for "holy convocation" and "Solemn Assembly"??



I call it reading the actual post

Today at 2:30 PM #119

The argument isn't really whether or not people flocked to synagogues on Saturday. The argument lies in whether or not there is a Law, commandment or instruction to do so.

There's no instruction from God that says you're supposed to or you have to attend church on Saturday. Or on Sunday for that matter.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

So far I haven't seen anything in scripture where God said the sabbath day is a day of worship. A holy assembly, a day of rest. Rest, rest, rest,


The argument isn't really whether or not people flocked to synagogues on Saturday. The argument lies in whether or not there is a Law, commandment or instruction to do so.

There's no instruction from God that says you're supposed to or you have to attend church on Saturday. Or on Sunday for that matter.

try contemplating on what the word "holy" means and where "holiness" comes from.

So you just ignore the fact that is exactly what the Jews were doing when Christ came and that is what the early christian church did. Poof gone just like that. Well how convenient for you.

 

[ozso]

try contemplating on what the word "holy" means and where "holiness" comes from.

So you just ignore the fact that is exactly what the Jews were doing when Christ came and that is what the early christian church did. Poof gone just like that. Well how convenient for you.

Yes God says to keep the sabbath holy. And then over and over again, God stipulates the sabbath is kept holy by resting from labor. Nowhere does God command us to attend church on Saturday.

 

[ozso]

One thing that exists in Catholicism, that I wish existed in Protestantism, is church services being available multiple times 7 days a week. I find it a bit sad that most Protestant churches only have one service one day a week.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

Yes God says to keep the sabbath holy. And then over and over again, God stipulates the sabbath is kept holy by resting from labor. Nowhere does God command us to attend church on Saturday.

here is the problem, it says keep it holy, not make it holy. the only way a think is holy is if God is in the day, because holiness comes from God. So the implication of the day is that an appointment with God is made and God will show up if you don't mess it up. That encounter IS WORSHIP.

 

[ozso]

here is the problem, it says keep it holy, not make it holy. the only way a think is holy is if God is in the day, because holiness comes from God. So the implication of the day is that an appointment with God is made and God will show up if you don't mess it up. That encounter IS WORSHIP.

That as you say, is an implication. The actual commandment stated over and over again is to rest from labor on the seventh day, because God rested from labor on the seventh day. The word sabbath means rest.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

That as you say, is an implication. The actual command stated over and over again is to rest from labor on the seventh day, because God rested from labor on the seventh day. The word sabbath means rest.

ah you are stepping in to the hebrew and showing you limits of your understanding. Hebrew is a verb based language as such it describes things by what they do or how they function. In the case of Sabbath, any time you cease something it is a sabbath. So that proves nothing. I sabbath to get gas at the 7-11. I Sabbath from running. I sabbath from work. It simply is describing the function of the action, not the meaning of the thing, context is very important in determining meaning. so you are really without a leg to stand on. your argument is built on a lack of training in hebrew. so get busy and study the hebrew.

 

[ozso]

ah you are stepping in to the hebrew and showing you limits of your understanding. Hebrew is a verb based language as such it describes things by what they do or how they function. In the case of Sabbath, any time you cease something it is a sabbath. So that proves nothing. I sabbath to get gas at the 7-11. I Sabbath from running. I sabbath from work. It simply is describing the function of the action, not the meaning of the thing, context is very important in determining meaning. so you are really without a leg to stand on. your argument is built on a lack of training in hebrew. so get busy and study the hebrew.

שָׁבַת shabath Definition: to cease, desist, rest.
What the word שָׁבַת doesn't mean in any way is, "this is the day you're supposed to go to church". That appears to be an invention of man, and not a commandment from God.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

שָׁבַת shabath Definition: to cease, desist, rest.
What the word שָׁבַת doesn't mean in any way is, "this is the day you're supposed to go to church". That's an invention of man, and not a commandment from God.

so you can post from a hebrew site. good for you. that prove nothing. again you ignore what the Jews and Jesus were doing in the 1st century and what the practice of the church until the late 4th century.

 

[ozso]

so you can post from a hebrew site. good for you. that prove nothing

There's no need to prove a fact that's been established for over three thousand years.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

There's no need to prove a fact that's been established for over three thousand years.

but you have no facts. what you have is interpretation of facts.

 

[ozso]

Qdefiling

What is a Sacred Assembly? In the Old Testament, sacred (or solemn) assemblies were occasions for God’s people to repent of personal and corporate sins, to renew their covenant relationship with the Lord, and to return to the Lord in faithful love and obedience.
A Sacred Assembly Preparation Guide.

This is "the easy part" when it comes to knowing what "Sacred Assembly" and "Holy Convocation" is

I highly recommend reading Today at 2:30 PM #119

Do you have something else more substantial than
Omar C. Garcia's blog to go by?

 

[ozso]

but you have no facts. what you have is interpretation of facts.

The sabbath being a day of rest isn't something that requires interpretation. It's sated quite clearly multiple times. It being something else other than or besides a day of rest is what has to be interpreted.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The sabbath being a day of rest isn't something that requires interpretation. It's sated quite clearly multiple times. It being something else other than or besides a day of rest is what has to be interpreted.

If you do not understand what worship means, I fear for you during the end times when we receive either the mark of the beast because you worship the beast and not even know it, or receive the seal of God because you worship the real God. The mark of the beast is about worship. You can read about it in the book of Revelations, right before Jesus reveals Himself to the world in the second coming.

The 4th commandment has God's seal. A seal contains the Name- God, Title: Creator and Territory- Heavens and Earth. Keeping God's sabbath holy is a sign between God and His people. And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the Lord your God. Ezekiel 20:20