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Why do people even want to put evolution in the equation?

Discussion in 'Creation & Theistic Evolution' started by Trev T, Mar 20, 2021.

  1. Derek1234

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    I see. So "in the beginning" is a catch-all for everything, despite v5 clearly stating "And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day." So you see, according to Scripture - if one wishes to interpret it literally - Day 1's work was ordering day and night. Indeed, it was creating day and night. But I guess that's a little inconvenient for you.

    To be honest, this has long been a dialogue of the deaf. You're welcome to believe that only the KJV is inspired (I have no idea why Satan - who is a limited creature - should have so much power that he should have mobilised translations that inspire Christians to love and worship God, before and since the KJV, whether in English or other languages). You're welcome to believe that God is so bound up in the time that contains man that He literally began creation 6000 odd years ago, and that He did it in 6*24 hours. He could have done it - He's God! - but you seem to have a particularly eisegetical approach. That's dangerous if you are truly committed to the Truth.
     
  2. Derek1234

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    So to help us understand, you: (a) acknowledge you are making up a timeline; (b) use an oblique phrase like terra aqua; (c) acknowledge that God uses natural forces (like gravity and centrifugal force); and (d) create a consultative Godhead where the Holy Spirit makes "recommendations".

    I'd say your theology is kinda off.
     
  3. d taylor

    d taylor Well-Known Member

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    In the Bible, The Bible distinguishes between earth and water, they are not spoken of as being interchangeably or the same or saying the same thing. Water is water and earth is land, dirt, rocks etc..
     
  4. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET BELIEVE IN MIRACLES Supporter

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    I think there's a better word I could have used besides "recommendations," but yes, you've got it pegged correctly.

    And I must congratulate you, as you are one of the very few I see who [seems to] understand.

    Light bulbs are scarce around here.
     
  5. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET BELIEVE IN MIRACLES Supporter

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    That is correct.

    Genesis 1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

    From terra aqua:

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    To terra aqua/terra firma:

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  6. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET BELIEVE IN MIRACLES Supporter

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    Not as off as those who think millions of years transpired between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2.
     
  7. Derek1234

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    Well, I understand what you are saying in literal terms. I wouldn't say it was an epiphany.
     
  8. Derek1234

    Derek1234 Member

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    Maybe. Maybe not. But "off" anyway.
     
  9. The Barbarian

    The Barbarian Crabby Old White Guy

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    So were you:

    It's pretty likely that Jewish scholars were quite aware of the Earth being a sphere, and it's approximate size. Long before Eratosthenes, sailors had figured out that the world was round.
     
  10. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET BELIEVE IN MIRACLES Supporter

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    Couldn't they figure it was round by simply traveling north to south on land?
     
  11. d taylor

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    No i was not, we were at the time i made my comment were speaking about the earth.
    As you said something about a pagan measuring the true circumference of the Earth
    below is your comment.

     
  12. d taylor

    d taylor Well-Known Member

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    Well wait and see, and do not be too disappointed when you find out the truth.
     
  13. The Barbarian

    The Barbarian Crabby Old White Guy

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    Somehow, when people get to heaven, I kinda doubt if St.Peter says "welcome! (and by the way, the world is flat)"
     
  14. The Barbarian

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    Could have, but they noted 2 things.
    1. The Earth casts a circular shadow on lunar eclipses.
    2. When you approach a coast with mountains, the peaks show up first, and then lower elevations.

    South to north, is precisely how Eratosthenes measured the circumerence. He noted that in Scyene in Egypt, one day a year the Sun briefly cast rays straight down a well. Scyene is directly south of Alexandria. He merely measured the angle of the noon Sun in Alexandria on that day, noted that the angle was X percent of 360, noted the distance from Alexandria to Scyene, and divided the distance by X percent to get the total circumference of the Earth. He came remarkably close, given the rough data he had available.

    Edit: Eratosthenes assumed that the Sun was far enough away for the rays to be essentially parallel. It was a good assumption, as subsequent investigations showed. Aristarchus of Samos, had, by careful observation, noted that the Sun had to be huge and very far away. Aristarchus had only crude instruments, but he showed that it had to be much larger than the Peloponnese, which would be large enough and far enough away for those conditions to hold.
     
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  15. The Barbarian

    The Barbarian Crabby Old White Guy

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    Name me one university department (or any other "mainstream scientific institution) of any science that claims there was no exodus. With a checkable source documenting the claim.

    What do you have?
     
  16. The Barbarian

    The Barbarian Crabby Old White Guy

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    That's not a scientific term. Which is not surprising, since it was invented by a British tabloid, not a scientific organization.
     
  17. FredVB

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    Good for you, and good for recognizing what any Christian individuals believe or think about evolution is not so important for focusing on when they are not arguing with other believers about it. I look with interest at what is being said in discussions about evolution. I might ask questions, as I may, but then there are others who pry, and make assumptions, and argue with me. It really is not worth that.
     
  18. Isaiah 41:10

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    Barbarian, how can you know for sure that Young Earth Creationists aren't going to hell for contortion of Gods word?
     
  19. The Barbarian

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    Mostly, because God doesn't say that's how we will be judged. He's pretty explicit about it, in places like Matthew 25. What they think of evolution isn't really an issue.

    Now, if they truly change scripture, rather than just interpret it wrongly, that's a different issue. There, they might be accountable. Or if creationism becomes so much the center of their worship that they insist Christian must believe it their way to be saved, that might be a problem for their salvation.

    Otherwise, I don't think so.
     
  20. Isaiah 41:10

    Isaiah 41:10 Well-Known Member

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    Interesting, thanks for the Biblical reference!
     
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