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LDS Why do Mormons think all Christians are in apostasy?

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ToBeLoved

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Does anyone care that Mormons do NOT think other Christians are Hellbound sinners? But rather othe Christians are viewed genuine disciples of Christ following the Lord the best they know how, with a very real possibility of being with Him in the eternities?
Truth comes from the heart. If you are using our words and assigning a different meaning to them and knowingly representing yourself, that is a sin and an untruth. No matter which way you slice it.

I thought we had built some trust, but now I see that you are just boxing with words with me. I'm pretty sad about it, actually.
 
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This is purely satanic! sounds like something from the theosophical society, gnosticism or better yet the same lie from the Serpent in the garden of Eden.

Genesis 3:5
5 For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
I guess God is lying as well.
22 ¶And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
 
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Catholics do not believe that one must be Catholic to receive eternal life. Indeed, we accept as valid baptisms (which we view as salvific) in various other Christian churches.

But do you believe everyone in Heaven is Catholic (regardless of what they were in this life)? For example, does everyone in Heaven acknowledge the Pope as Christ's representative on Earth, and that the Catholic Church is Christ's One True Church.
 
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Truth comes from the heart. If you are using our words and assigning a different meaning to them and knowingly representing yourself, that is a sin and an untruth. No matter which way you slice it.

I thought we had built some trust, but now I see that you are just boxing with words with me. I'm pretty sad about it, actually.

I'm trying hard to convey what I believe to you, because you have an extremely poor understanding of it (I mean this with no offense). I am not trying to hide anything, I've always answered your questions, defined terms, and worked hard to properly explain things.
 
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I'm trying hard to convey what I believe to you, because you have an extremely poor understanding of it (I mean this with no offense). I am not trying to hide anything, I've always answered your questions, defined terms, and worked hard to properly explain things.
What deeply bothers me Jane is that you said that Jesus is the only way to heaven and that you have been saved by Christ like I have been saved by Christ. By His blood which is atonement for all sin.

But then, your faith says that all Christians are in apostasy because we do not believe that JS is a prophet? You knew from the get-go I was very clear that I thought JS was a false prophet. And that one has to be a member of the Mormon church, which you know and I have made very clear that I would never be.

So the act was acting like we were the same in Christ, even though you do not believe that I would spend eternity with Christ.

That to me is one of the worst things to betray trust. Leaving out what in your faith are deal-breakers.

That is what hurts me. Is your falsely representing what you believe about us and only when I point-blank very specifically asked, would you even admit it.

How truthful is that? I can go back and get some of our past conversations if you need a refresher of what was said.

And to make things even worse, if you think you are part of the 'true church' why are you hiding behind all it's beliefs? Why would you not be proclaiming the Mormon gospel from the rooftops shouting that all should be saved. So do Mormons spread their gospel (false as it is), no not really, but they are the 'only church' come to bring everyone else 'BACK' to Christ.

:scratch: :swoon:

Why do you spend all of your time doing everything but preaching your gospel? Is that what 18 year old males are for? That's your 'only true church's' testimony? :sleep:
 
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What deeply bothers me Jane is that you said that Jesus is the only way to heaven and that you have been saved by Christ like I have been saved by Christ. By His blood which is atonement for all sin.

Yes, I did say that and I'll say it again because it is the Truth. It is this is the foundation of the Gospel and all Christain (including Mormon) beliefs. Christ and His sacrifice make our salvation possible: there is NO other way besides through Him. Without Him, everything else is for squat. You and I, both of us Christians, are in 100% agreement on this.

Mormons do NOT view Joseph Smith as Christ. Joseph Smith is just a servant, Christ is the LORD.

But then, your faith says that all Christians are in apostasy because we do not believe that JS is a prophet? You knew from the get-go I was very clear that I thought JS was a false prophet. And that one has to be a member of the Mormon church, which you know and I have made very clear that I would never be.

I know you're not a Mormon, and you know I'm not a non-demoniational: that's not a secret. It's not a secret we disagree on different on some things: we've spent 100's of posts the last months talking about them. We've also talked about things we do disagree on. None of this has been secret.

So the act was acting like we were the same in Christ, even though you do not believe that I would spend eternity with Christ.

TBL, I do think you have some false beliefs (this has been said many times other the last several months). Despite this, I DO BELIEVE YOU HAVE A VERY NICE PROBABILITY OF BEING WITH CHRIST IN THE ETERNITIES. Yes, somewhere in the future I do believe that you're learn more truths about Christ, because we all do. But your faith in Christ, your devotion to Him, is 100% obviously very real and authentic.

That to me is one of the worst things to betray trust.

How have I betrayed trust?? I've made every effort to be 200% honest. I have NEVER once lied to you nor hid things from you. If you have any specific examples you'd like to talk about, sure I'm game.

Why would you not be proclaiming the Mormon gospel from the rooftops shouting that all should be saved. So do Mormons spread their gospel (false as it is), no not really, but they are the 'only church' come to bring everyone else 'BACK' to Christ.

I do try to get the record straight of what Mormons do believe (on here that mostly involves correcting false info). But I haven't ever pressured you into changing your views (that's your choice), and I've tried really hard to better understand you and your views (I feel I have made progress in that area). I also DO believe you are a Christian, devoting your life to Christ the best you know how.
 
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Yes, I did say that and I'll say it again because it is the Truth. It is this is the foundation of the Gospel and all Christain (including Mormon) beliefs. Christ and His sacrifice make our salvation possible: there is NO other way besides through Him. Without Him, everything else is for squat. You and I, both of us Christians, are in 100% agreement on this.

Mormons do NOT view Joseph Smith as Christ. Joseph Smith is just a servant, Christ is the LORD.
I did not say you viewed JS as Christ.

I said that you believe that unless someone believes that JS is a true prophet of Christ, that that person will not go to heaven.

You also believe that if one does not belong to the Mormon church, one will not go to heaven.

So, that was leaving a lot out when we were very specifically talking about salvation. I outlined in GREAT DETAIL what I believed one needed to go to heaven. You did not.

In actuality if we never spoke again a week ago, in your view I would be on my way to hell and you supposedly from the 'only true church' would have let me go there by not preaching your gospel.

That is a fact.
 
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I did not say you viewed JS as Christ.

I said that you believe that unless someone believes that JS is a true prophet of Christ, that that person will not go to heaven.

You also believe that if one does not belong to the Mormon church, one will not go to heaven.

So, that was leaving a lot out when we were very specifically talking about salvation. I outlined in GREAT DETAIL what I believed one needed to go to heaven. You did not.

In actuality if we never spoke again a week ago, in your view I would be on my way to hell and you supposedly from the 'only true church' would have let me go there by not preaching your gospel.

That is a fact.
There are many mansions in heaven. You will be in heaven. But just as anyone has to believe in Christ to get on the road of salvation there are many blessings that God has revealed today that will help s gain the highest of eternal opportunities.
 
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There are many mansions in heaven. You will be in heaven. But just as anyone has to believe in Christ to get on the road of salvation there are many blessings that God has revealed today that will help s gain the highest of eternal opportunities.
That is not what the Mormon faith says? Are you a Mormon in good standing?
 
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So, if I were to go around to all Christian churches and ask them the following questions, would I get the same answers from everyone, or would I receive confusing conflicting answers?

Which books are in the Bible?
What is required for salvation?
Does God have priesthood representatives here on Earth?
Is the Lord's Supper symbolic or literal flesh?
How important is Mary?


I like that post. Does show that not everyone would give the same answers to some important questions!
 
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Lol, nice to be loved. I started a post for you, and intent to finish it, but it'll probably be later tonight. I have family stuff this afternoon.
Ok. I'll talk with you tonight when you come back. I want to finish our discussion.
 
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