LDS Why do Mormons think all Christians are in apostasy?

[withwonderingawe]

I just said that I appreciated that he documented the sources that he got his information from. I did not say it was a complete look at the topic.

yes you did, don't take it as a slight, just giving information

 

[Jane_Doe]

As usual I appreciate the answer I have received.

There is no chapter on baptisms for the dead.

There is however a chapter on Baptisms and a chapter on Temple Work.

I read the chapter on Temple Work but my question was not answered.

It's in the Temple Work chapter. https://www.lds.org/manual/gospel-principles/chapter-40-temple-work-and-family-history?lang=eng

You might also be instructed in the Post-mortal spirit world chapter: https://www.lds.org/manual/gospel-principles/chapter-41-the-postmortal-spirit-world?lang=eng

 

[John Davidson]

When you die your spirit enters what we term as the spirit world, this is broken up into three places.

There's paradise for those who have accepted Jesus as savior, don't even need to be baptized to get there. The man on the cross next to Jesus wasn't.

There's a spirit prison which has two areas, in one part those who never had a chance to hear the gospel are taught and given a chance to bow the knee to Jesus. Then there is a place of despair where the truly wicked are left to "the buffetings of Satan" D&C 78. They remain there until they have paid the last farthing which will be when they finally bow the knee to Jesus.

Everyone will remain there until the second coming and the resurrection begins. All of those who have been baptized or accepted their vicarious baptism will be resurrected first and commence doing the baptism work for those still waiting in Paradise. Eventually everyone will have the opportunity to except or reject their baptism. On the final judgment day after the millennium the decision as to who goes where will be made. Those who reject the baptism will go into the Telestial Kingdom. Those who do accept will can either be sent to the Terrestrial Kingdom or the Celestial Kingdom. I believe this will be a choice we make. We imagine that the Telestail kingdom will be a place of beauty and peace. Those there will live as brothers and sisters, they will have access to Jesus as their Savior and King.

The Celestial Kingdom is seen as the place where God the Father lives and where over time we will become one with him,

"To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne." Rev 3

" He that overcometh shall inheritall things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son" Rev 21

Thank you! That made the LDS position much more clear to me.

 

[John Davidson]

It's in the Temple Work chapter. https://www.lds.org/manual/gospel-principles/chapter-40-temple-work-and-family-history?lang=eng

You might also be instructed in the Post-mortal spirit world chapter: https://www.lds.org/manual/gospel-principles/chapter-41-the-postmortal-spirit-world?lang=eng

Alright. I've read that before but it's been a long time. I'm clear now on what you believe.

 

[Jane_Doe]

Alright. I've read that before but it's been a long time. I'm clear now on what you believe.

Yes, it's always best to hear things from a primary source

 

[John Davidson]

Yes, it's always best to hear things from a primary source

I'm still unclear on how a Hindu woman could make it to the Celestial Kingdom.

 

[Jane_Doe]

I'm still unclear on how a Hindu woman could make it to the Celestial Kingdom.

EVERY person will have the opportunity to hear about Christ and come to Him. If the opportunity does not come I. This life, then they will have it in spirit prison while awaiting Final Judgement.

This is the only way in which God can be infinitely just.

Does that make sense?

 

[Ironhold]

Why should a Christian market the gospel like it is a product?

You do that every time you make a post.

 

[Ironhold]

I'm sorry I don't know who Ed Decker is but I have read C.S. Lewis.

http://c.web.umkc.edu/cowande/ccp/decker.htm

Back in the 1970s and early 1980s, Decker was a prominent member of the counter-cult movement. This came to a screeching halt in the late 1980s and early 1990s, however, as people began exposing his numerous lies and falsehoods. For example, he claimed that he was "saved" out of the LDS faith, when in reality he was excommunicated for marital infidelity; his wife filed for divorce because of his antics, and his clergy were rather displeased about the whole matter. In one particularly extreme instance, he was caught lying about just who supposedly tried to poison him one day; an American audience was told that the poisoner was revealed to be Mormon, while a British audience was told that the poisoner was revealed to be a Mason.

The film adaptation of his "Godmakers" work has likewise been written off as hate speech by both the National Council of Christians and Jews and the Anti-Defamation League of B'Nai B'Rith.

Decker's reputation is such that if his name is cited as a reference in a work, the entire work is considered tainted by Mormons and non-Mormons alike.

So yeah - he's right up there with Jack Chick and Fred Phelps in terms of "people who would better serve Christianity by being forgotten."

 

[Ironhold]

It's very perplexing that Mormons are telling us what is important to Christians.

You mean like mainline Christians keep trying to tell us our own theology?

 

[Ironhold]

Really?

Yes.

Just about every time the discussion turns to the Creeds, someone trots out the Apostle's Creed and waves it around.

The Nicene Creed is almost never mentioned, and as we've explained we usually have to teach people about the Athanasean Creed.

 

[Ironhold]

No one is going 100% negative here

Go back and re-read some of the recent threads.

The bulk of them consist of your fellows nay-saying us, trying to tell us what we supposedly believe, mocking us, acting insensitively, and plugging their ears when we attempt to explain the actual truth.

There's virtually nothing about what their beliefs are aside from recruitment blurbs trying to win us over. I mean, just even getting TBL to explain their beliefs was like pulling teeth.

 

[John Davidson]

Just about every time the discussion turns to the Creeds, someone trots out the Apostle's Creed and waves it around.

You still have not been able to instruct me as to why the Apostle's Creed is considered an abomination in Mormonism.

Maybe the reason they are "trotting it out and waving it around" is because it is a solid and biblical work.

 

[Jane_Doe]

You still have not been able to instruct me as to why the Apostle's Creed is considered an abomination in Mormonism.

Maybe the reason they are "trotting it out and waving it around" is because it is a solid and biblical work.

You have yet to actually read the link where we answered all these questions less than 90 days ago.

 

[John Davidson]

Go back and re-read some of the recent threads.

The bulk of them consist of your fellows nay-saying us, trying to tell us what we supposedly believe, mocking us, acting insensitively, and plugging their ears when we attempt to explain the actual truth.

There's virtually nothing about what their beliefs are aside from recruitment blurbs trying to win us over. I mean, just even getting TBL to explain their beliefs was like pulling teeth.

Alright. So you've had some bad experiences here.

I still don't see that as a reason to react rudely to people who were not involved and to whom you have no history with.

 

[John Davidson]

You have yet to actually read the link where we answered all these questions less than 90 days ago.

I went through the link some. I didn't see an answer to my question. I'm not going to spend the next week reading an old thread searching for an answer when you could easily write a simple answer here.

 

[ToBeLoved]

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[ToBeLoved]

Go back and re-read some of the recent threads.

The bulk of them consist of your fellows nay-saying us, trying to tell us what we supposedly believe, mocking us, acting insensitively, and plugging their ears when we attempt to explain the actual truth.

There's virtually nothing about what their beliefs are aside from recruitment blurbs trying to win us over. I mean, just even getting TBL to explain their beliefs was like pulling teeth.

cute.

 

[Hammster]

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