LDS Why do Mormons think all Christians are in apostasy?

[ToBeLoved]

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[ToBeLoved]

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[ToBeLoved]

You consider the fact that different churches claiming to all follow the Bible coming to expressly opposite conclusions over essentials to be a GOOD THING??? How do you reconcile such confusion over scripture with 1 Corinthians 14:33?

There were less than 1000 Christians at that time, now we have 6 Billion living right now on earth, not in total over 2,000 years. So if it does not make sense to you that there would be different churches, maybe your only thinking about your own faith.

God does not create confusion. We have the Nicene Creed that unites us in God.

I know that you don't understand. That's ok. Start researching it, it will come to you.

It's more of a running example to explain things to TBL (we recently had a discussion about priesthood). I could have picked any number of topics Christian churches disagree on, or an different example church (didn't have to be Catholics).

That's not true. The fixation in the priesthood is Mormons falsely saying they are part of priesthoods that ended with Jesus Christ, our High Priest. Come on Jane.

 

[ToBeLoved]

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[Jane_Doe]

There were less than 1000 Christians at that time, now we have 6 Billion living right now on earth, not in total over 2,000 years. So if it does not make sense to you that there would be different churches, maybe your only thinking about your own faith.

God does not create confusion. We have the Nicene Creed that unites us in God.

I know that you don't understand. That's ok. Start researching it, it will come to you.

So, if I were to go around to all Christian churches and ask them the following questions, would I get the same answers from everyone, or would I receive confusing conflicting answers?

Which books are in the Bible?
What is required for salvation?
Does God have priesthood representatives here on Earth?
Is the Lord's Supper symbolic or literal flesh?
How important is Mary?

 

[Ironhold]

JS told Mormons 'and ye shall be God'.

That you use the big "G" instead of the little "g" indicates that you don't understand the theology.

In this case, the church uses "god" in the sense that Psalms 82 uses it.

 

[mmksparbud]

Good grief---even the apostles argued amongst themselves and there were only 12!!!----However, there will come a day---

Joh_10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

 

[Ironhold]

I just told you, ALL of Christ's Own are the church.

In other words, you don't know a whit about how your specific denomination came to be, do you?

 

[Ironhold]

I've answered this a few posts back.

If you do not like the truth, that is too bad.

I also wonder if you would reply to this:

Third President John Taylor boasted: "...we are the only people that know how to save our progenitors, how to save ourselves, and how to save our posterity in the celestial kingdom of God;...we in fact are the saviours of the world..." (Journal of Discourses, vol.6, p. 163).

In the History of the Church (vol.7, p. 287), Brigham Young even claimed that "Every spirit that confesses that Joseph Smith is a Prophet, that he lived and died a Prophet and that the Book of Mormon is true, is of God, and every spirit that does not is of anti-Christ."

President Joseph Fielding Smith added that there is "no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. If Joseph Smith was verily a prophet, and if he told the truth.... No man can reject that testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the kingdom of God" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol.1, pp. 189-90).

These are Mormon Presidents saying that salvation is dependent on believing in JS?

Got any sources that

1. Are from official works

2. Don't have ellipses

?

Too many "Good Christians" before you have abused things to present deliberately twisted material.

 

[mmksparbud]

That you use the big "G" instead of the little "g" indicates that you don't understand the theology.

In this case, the church uses "god" in the sense that Psalms 82 uses it.

You mean in this manner?

Young's Literal Translation
-- A Psalm of Asaph. God hath stood in the company of God, In the midst God doth judge.

A core belief of Judaism is that there is only one God.

. The Hebrew is:

אֲנִי-אָמַרְתִּי, אֱלֹהִים אַתֶּם; וּבְנֵי עֶלְיוֹן כֻּלְּכֶם.‏

The word אֱלֹהִים can mean "God". It can also mean Judge, Idolatrous god/power (note the distinction between God and gods), Important Person.

In this context, others translate it as "godlike beings", "angels", "angelic creatures". But definitely not "Gods".

http://judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/9590/what-does-psalm-82-mean

 

[ToBeLoved]

So, if I were to go around to all Christian churches and ask them the following questions, would I get the same answers from everyone, or would I receive confusing conflicting answers?

Which books are in the Bible?
What is required for salvation?
Does God have priesthood representatives here on Earth?
Is the Lord's Supper symbolic or literal flesh?
How important is Mary?

These are questions you can post in the congregations so you can find the best answer.

I will be ending this portion of this conversation. I have given you resources to find your answer.

 

[Ironhold]

You mean in this manner?

Young's Literal Translation
-- A Psalm of Asaph. God hath stood in the company of God, In the midst God doth judge.

A core belief of Judaism is that there is only one God.

. The Hebrew is:

אֲנִי-אָמַרְתִּי, אֱלֹהִים אַתֶּם; וּבְנֵי עֶלְיוֹן כֻּלְּכֶם.‏

The word אֱלֹהִים can mean "God". It can also mean Judge, Idolatrous god/power (note the distinction between God and gods), Important Person.

In this context, others translate it as "godlike beings", "angels", "angelic creatures". But definitely not "Gods".

http://judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/9590/what-does-psalm-82-mean

Considering that the church does take it to mean "godlike beings",...

 

[ToBeLoved]

Got any sources that

1. Are from official works

2. Don't have ellipses

?

Too many "Good Christians" before you have abused things to present deliberately twisted material.

The sources are listed behind the quotations.

 

[Jane_Doe]

These are questions you can post in the congregations so you can find the best answer.

I will be ending this portion of this conversation. I have given you resources to find your answer.

I already know the answers, TBL. I have visited many different churches over the years. The answers to the questions I posted are in GREAT conflict across different Christian churches in serious essential topics. They cannot all be right, and God is not the author of confusion.

 

[ToBeLoved]

In other words, you don't know a whit about how your specific denomination came to be, do you?

I will not be continuing this conversation about demoninations with you. I have told you and Jane that.

I have gladly given you several resources to find answers, but I will not take my precious time to explain such a basic thing.

On CF if someone does not wish to discuss a point, they can politely ask the other members not to continue. According to CF rules, you must honor that.

 

[ToBeLoved]

I already know the answers, TBL. I have visited many different churches over the years. The answers to the questions I posted are in GREAT conflict across different Christian churches in serious essential topics. They cannot all be right, and God is not the author of confusion.

Please read the post above that I will not take my time to discuss it.

I have told you politely according to CF rules. Thanks.

We can discuss other topics that are important to the gospel of Jesus Christ. That is worth my time.

 

[mmksparbud]

Considering that the church does take it to mean "godlike beings",...

Yes--that's how your church takes it--it is not the way the Jews, who do know their own language--took it.
אֱלֹהִים as 'Power' or 'Powerful Ones.' That covers the different possible meanings of G-d, false gods, powerful people or angels. Those who are either powerful or are falsely thought to be powerful in this world.

In a Kabbalistic sense when G-d is referred to as אֱלֹהִים that represents G-d acting within nature, while Y-H-V-H represents G-d transcending nature.

Psalm 82 poetically plays on the different meanings of אֱלֹהִים to exhort judges to judge properly and support the weak and poor rather than favoring the rich and powerful.

G-d 'stands' in the midst of judges and will judge them.

How long will you (bad) judges favor the wicked? Give justice to the weak, the orphan and the poor. Rescue the needy and powerless from the hands of the wicked.

They (corrupt judges) do not know nor do they understand that they walk in darkness.

I thought all judges were G-dly and powerful sons of the most High (i.e. good and righteous) But like all men, even powerful princes you will die.

http://judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/9590/what-does-psalm-82-mean

Please G-d judge the world, you control all the nations.

 

[chandraclaws]

There is only ONE Christian church---there are many different interpretations of scriptures leading to different denominations, but only ONE "Christian" church.

Absolutely. Different denominations are sometimes just based on varying organizational structures. The Christian church is a body of believers, (not a place to go) who hold to the truth of the gospel according to Jesus Christ and of who He is.

 

[ToBeLoved]

That you use the big "G" instead of the little "g" indicates that you don't understand the theology.

In this case, the church uses "god" in the sense that Psalms 82 uses it.

Well I don't know your religion but it seems you think you will be gods.

 

[alexsonofmatthew]

my answer to your question

because mormons are taught that all christians are apostates. without this belief mormons have no religion. that's the same with JW's and SDA.

God bless