why do jews reject jesus?

[LoAmmi]

ok i post some from your link

The mashiach will be a great political leader descended from King David Jeremiah 23:5King James Version (KJV)
5 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth,



(did Jesus not do this and what do you see as judgment on the earth justice. on the earth, political in which way ? like a politician or something ? lol

Jesus never was King of Israel. Not for one second of time. He fails this one.

He will be well-versed in Jewish law, and observant of its commandments (Isaiah 11:2-5). (did Jesus not do this ?)

There are a few places where I believe he was at odds with the Torah. This one is debatable.

He will be a charismatic leader, inspiring others to follow his example. He will be a great military leader, who will win battles for Israel.

(where is the scripture for this please do you believe in this one loammi ?

I'll see if I can find exact ones. We know that Israel will be under attack on all sides and the Messiah will lead them to victory. That's in several places and I'll see what I can find later.

 

[0ptimus]

Jeremiah 23:5King James Version (KJV)
5 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth,

please tell me how this is a prophesy about the Gods son the messiah becoming king of Isreal no where does this scripture mention the messiah

 

[0ptimus]

He will be well-versed in Jewish law, and observant of its commandments (Isaia 11:2-5).

There are a few places where I believe he was at odds with the Torah. This one is debatable.

can you show me one of them please.

 

[LoAmmi]

Jeremiah 23:5King James Version (KJV)
5 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth,

please tell me how this is a prophesy about the Gods son the messiah becoming king of Isreal no where does this scripture mention the messiah

"G-d's son" is basically a Christian concept. We are all sons and daughters of HaShem, but I assume you mean it in the Jesus sense. We don't have such a thing.

Messiah means anointed. All kings, high priests, and prophets are "messiah". The prophecies in the text involve the future and final King of Israel that rules in a time of universal peace, universal knowledge of HaShem, and all the other things I posted. Because this is the final king, he became known as "ha moshiach" or The Messiah because he would be the final anointed king. That's why it never appears in the text of the Tanach but becomes the title later to describe the person.

 

[LoAmmi]

can you show me one of them please.

When he allows his followers to pick the grain on shabbat and then argues that it's ok because David had to eat the bread for the priests when he was starving. I don't think the disciples were starving, so the entire premise that it is ok to break shabbat if you are saving a life. That is a violation of Torah.

Now what Christians have argued to me is that since they believe he is G-d, he can do what he wants. I disagree.

 

[0ptimus]

"G-d's son" is basically a Christian concept. We are all sons and daughters of HaShem, but I assume you mean it in the Jesus sense. We don't have such a thing.

Messiah means anointed. All kings, high priests, and prophets are "messiah". The prophecies in the text involve the future and final King of Israel that rules in a time of universal peace, universal knowledge of HaShem, and all the other things I posted. Because this is the final king, he became known as "ha moshiach" or The Messiah because he would be the final anointed king. That's why it never appears in the text of the Tanach but becomes the title later to describe the person.

ok so you believe that a son of God lterally from God him self can not exist ?, if you do gee wiz i wished i had known that would of saved a lot of time.

I know what you mean that messiah can mean them things you mention, hence why i mentioned it to you messiah, in a son of God sense made high priest.

 

[LoAmmi]

ok so you believe that a son of God lterally from God him self can not exist ?, if you do gee wiz i wished i had known that would of saved a lot of time.

HaShem is creator and ruler of the Universe with power unlimited. If He wished to create a son in the way described in the New Testament, He surely could. But the question we ask ourselves is not if He could but if He would. We find no promises in the Tanach that support such a thing, so we do not think He would.

I know what you mean that messiah can mean them things you mention, hence why i mentioned it to you messiah, in a son of God sense made high priest.

The priests were from the line of Aaron, brother of Moses, of the tribe of Levi not David of the tribe of Judah. The future king of Israel cannot be a High Priest because he is not from the line that can be priests.

 

[0ptimus]

HaShem is creator and ruler of the Universe with power unlimited. If He wished to create a son in the way described in the New Testament, He surely could. But the question we ask ourselves is not if He could but if He would. We find no promises in the Tanach that support such a thing, so we do not think He would.


The priests were from the line of Aaron, brother of Moses, of the tribe of Levi not David of the tribe of Judah. The future king of Israel cannot be a High Priest because he is not from the line that can be priests.

I don't agree with that one, you just said we are all sons and daughters of god so it does not matter about titles, where the levites not sons of God too, so that should say you can or me can be a high priest hmm hmm sjhalom

 

[LoAmmi]

I don't agree with that one, you just said we are all sons and daughters of god so it does not matter about titles, where the levites not sons of God too, so that should say you can or me can be a high priest hmm hmm sjhalom

The fact that we are all sons and daughters of HaShem has nothing to do with the fact that priests were of the line of Aaron. That's in the Torah commanded by HaShem. If you have a problem with it, I suggest you take it up with the source of the Torah.

There are more restrictions put upon the priests than the other tribes such as not being able to come into contact with a dead body. They had a special role in the Temple and will again when the Temple is rebuilt.

 

[0ptimus]

HaShem is creator and ruler of the Universe with power unlimited. If He wished to create a son in the way described in the New Testament, He surely could. But the question we ask ourselves is not if He could but if He would. We find no promises in the Tanach that support such a thing, so we do not think He would.

Isaiah 7:10-14




The Sign of Immanuel

10 The Lord sent another message to Ahaz: 11 “Ask the Lord your God to give you a sign. It can be from deep in the world of the dead or from high up in heaven.”
12 Ahaz answered, “I will not ask for a sign. I refuse to put the Lord to the test.”
13 To that Isaiah replied, “Listen, now, descendants of King David. It's bad enough for you to wear out the patience of people—do you have to wear out God's patience too? 14 Well then, the Lord himself will give you a sign: a young woman[a] who is pregnant will have a son and will name him ‘Immanuel.’[b]

 

[LoAmmi]

Isaiah 7:10-14




The Sign of Immanuel

10 The Lord sent another message to Ahaz: 11 “Ask the Lord your God to give you a sign. It can be from deep in the world of the dead or from high up in heaven.”
12 Ahaz answered, “I will not ask for a sign. I refuse to put the Lord to the test.”
13 To that Isaiah replied, “Listen, now, descendants of King David. It's bad enough for you to wear out the patience of people—do you have to wear out God's patience too? 14 Well then, the Lord himself will give you a sign: a young woman[a] who is pregnant will have a son and will name him ‘Immanuel.’[b]

Hey, your translation there got it right. A young woman who is pregnant will have a son.

The sign isn't the fact that she's going to have a son. The sign is what will happen to the son. Why do you stop at verse 14? We've already discussed that there were no verses in the original text so you're simply stopping there because the rest of it would show the flaw in your interpretation.

 

[0ptimus]

The fact that we are all sons and daughters of HaShem has nothing to do with the fact that priests were of the line of Aaron. That's in the Torah commanded by HaShem. If you have a problem with it, I suggest you take it up with the source of the Torah.

There are more restrictions put upon the priests than the other tribes such as not being able to come into contact with a dead body. They had a special role in the Temple and will again when the Temple is rebuilt.

i dont have a problem with it i just dont see how you can say the messiah can not be a high priest, show me a prohesy again so i can understand that,

 

[0ptimus]

Hey, your translation there got it right. A young woman who is pregnant will have a son.

The sign isn't the fact that she's going to have a son. The sign is what will happen to the son. Why do you stop at verse 14? We've already discussed that there were no verses in the original text so you're simply stopping there because the rest of it would show the flaw in your interpretation.

why are you constantly puting me to the test, i have no intensionins in attacking you or trying to make your faith look bad, so if you want to make a point about follow up scripture please do. and post it, don't assume i am trying to manipulate you or scripture. If people have accused you of that in the past, that does not mean you can accuse other people of that.

so what is your point you want to make point on isiah 7

 

[0ptimus]

I think its this one you base a high priest can not be the messiah

The mashiach will be a great political leader descended from King David Jeremiah 23:5King James Version (KJV)
5 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth,

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I have to say this seems pretty buyest to me if we are all sons and daughters of God.

 

[LoAmmi]

i dont have a problem with it i just dont see how you can say the messiah can not be a high priest, show me a prohesy again so i can understand that,

I don't have to show you a prophecy. The Torah states that the priests are of the line of Aaron. They are the only ones who can serve as priests in the Temple and the only line a High Priest can come from.

David is on the line of Judah and has no connection to Aaron. David cannot be High Priest in the Temple nor can his descendants.

 

[LoAmmi]

why are you constantly puting me to the test, i have no intensionins in attacking you or trying to make your faith look bad, so if you want to make a point about follow up scripture please do. and post it, don't assume i am trying to manipulate you or scripture. If people have accused you of that in the past, that does not mean you can accuse other people of that.

so what is your point you want to make point on isiah 7

My point was made here:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7814706-8/#post65513064

The prophecy was made about a child that would be born within the lifetime of King Ahaz. King Ahaz was long dead when Jesus was born. It cannot be about Jesus.

 

[0ptimus]

Im still waiting for a response from you about this.

He will be a charismatic leader, inspiring others to follow his example. He will be a great military leader, who will win battles for Israel. He will be a great judge, who makes righteous decisions (Jeremiah 33:15)
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you still have yet to show scripture to back this Judaism prophesy up that the messiah will be a great military leader that will win battles for Israel,

 

[0ptimus]

this is another Judaism prophesy
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jeremiah 33:15&version=KJV;GNTJeremiah 33:15

King James Version (KJV)

15 In those days, and at that time, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land.


Judaism see this passage as
He will restore the religious court system of Israel and establish Jewish law as the law of the land (Jeremiah 33:15).



May i ask how you see this prophesy please ?

 

[LoAmmi]

Here's a different write up. I don't have a lot of time to look up stuff right now.

http://thejewishhome.org/counter/Wanted.pdf

 

[0ptimus]

That link does not mention anything about the last two posts and questions i asked you.

I have already admitted to you that some prophesies are wrong from the research i did on questions you answered me, which i took time to look up for you.

My final conclusion is what the bible says which is beware of false prophesies ( or people making claim that certain scriptures means a prophesy, which after very careful studying i can see that false prophesies exist in both Judaism and Christianity.

are any of these prophesies important to how one should act as Good ambassador is more important i think, how about you ?

Not from the bible it self, as i feel many of these scripts which people make claim are prophesies in my opinion are wrong and not prophesies , God forgive me if i am not.