Why discuss Calvinism vs Arminianism in Evangelism? Starts with Definitions

[Dave L]

Never heard anyone use this term but you. Kinda picked that one didn't you?

The Calvinist is the same as the Jew, they do not know the grace of God. They claim to know it but don't. That's why they are the mighty Calvinists, they are the chosen of God, the same as the Jews claim.

"Job offer" typifies the false works gospel.

 

[Charlie24]

"Job offer" typifies the false works gospel.

That is your view because you do not understand God's grace.

If you did, you would not be a Calvinist.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Why discuss Calvinism vs Arminianism in Evangelism? what are the issues

I agree, why bother, they're both bunk.

I've seen nothing that proves them biblical.

 

[Dave L]

That is your view because you do not understand God's grace.

If you did, you would not be a Calvinist.

God raised me from the dead so I could be his slave. And glad for it.

 

[Charlie24]

God raised me from the dead so I could be his slave. And glad for it.

If God's grace is not for all, how do you know it's for you? Because you are a Calvinist?

You have claimed that we have a works salvation, how do we know that you don't have a works salvation?

 

[Dave L]

If God's grace is not for all, how do you know it's for you? Because you are a Calvinist?

You have claimed that we have a works salvation, how do we know that you don't have a works salvation?

Faith is the evidence he saved me. I could not believe otherwise.

 

[Charlie24]

Faith is the evidence he saved me. I could not believe otherwise.

But there are poor doomed souls out there that don't have the same privilege of grace like you, right Dave.

You are sure that you are the chosen and they are not, right?

 

[Kenny'sID]

Faith is the evidence he saved me.

Sometimes I think you people just make up these comments on the fly, and it shows.

And the faith/evidence of all those who aren't Calvinist? Are they all wrong about their salvation?

 

[Dave L]

But there are poor doomed souls out there that don't have the same privilege of grace like you, right Dave.

You are sure that you are the chosen and they are not, right?

It's like a lottery God drew names from a bucket.

 

[Charlie24]

Faith is the evidence he saved me. I could not believe otherwise.

You will know them by their fruits. That is the evidence.

That is what proves the faith.

 

[MDC]

But there are poor doomed souls out there that don't have the same privilege of grace like you, right Dave.

You are sure that you are the chosen and they are not, right?

And let it be known that sin is the reason for their judgment. Grace is something God gives unconditional. Not something earned or merited as the “offer” suggests.

 

[Dave L]

You will know them by their fruits. That is the evidence.

That is what proves the faith.

And that tells me God saved me or I could not believe.

 

[Charlie24]

It's like a lottery God drew names from a bucket.

You're joking around now, but it's not funny. But I did have to laugh.

 

[MDC]

We don't work to get saved, we work because we are saved.

Some work more than others but God does not fire them.

Your salvation is from the legalism view not from grace.

But you constantly tell us we are doing what you have just proved you are doing.

Quite the opposite

 

[Dave L]

You're joking around now, but it's not funny. But I did have to laugh.

It is similar to this.

 

[Charlie24]

And let it be known that sin is the reason for their judgment. Grace is something God gives unconditional. Not something earned or merited as the “offer” suggests.

God shows grace to "whosoever will call on His name." Not to who He selects and to bad for the rest.

 

[MDC]

Dave, I must disagree with your statement. I am of the Armenian persuasion and not one person I know of in any of my circles thinks that God OWES any man His blessing of salvation. It is offered in the only way it can be placed before mankind, as a gift. And it is a gift offered to all humans because justice demands it to be so. Anything other than a gift would be ludicrous because no man would ever be able to stand up to the measure of our God in Heaven. It is not by our deeds or works, but by His Grace through Jesus Christ that we are saved. It would seem that your notion of a quid pro quo would seem to dismiss the work of the Holy Spirit to be evident in our lives upon accepting Christ. I do admit that false prosperity preachers might suggest that, but true believers don't follow that idea one bit.

The fact the arminian finds God unjust to show mercy to some and not all proves that you believe God owes us the blessings of His salvation

 

[Dave L]

God shows grace to "whosoever will call on His name." Not to who He selects and to bad for the rest.

Only the saved will call on his name.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Honestly, Calvinists have been duped because they are entirely too easy. There are just so many things wrong with the view overall, that most people just know it's wrong. The leaders of this are simply making their congregation feel as though they're special, and that, on top of the easy ways to heaven, is all it takes to suck in the small minded.

 

[Charlie24]

Quite the opposite

Careful, your Calvinist superiority is creeping in.