Why Christians should reject Partial Preterism

[DavidPT]

False

Why would you disagree, that the day and hour in question is referring to the day of the Lord? If the day of the Lord comes as a thief in the night, is it even possible to know the exact day and hour?

 

[David Kent]

Verse 4.

I don't see it mentions earth.

 

[sovereigngrace]

It's not a question as to what the Jewish Revolts and total destruction of ancient Jerusalem and the whole temple system accomplishes for US....it's what it meant for the ancient Jews and the early church. It's a question as to how the generation that lived as contempories of Jesus - at His first Advent - experienced His salvation and vengeance. Salvation, wrath, and the end of the age (the Old Covenant age) are all tied together in the Bible (the way I see it - as is the partial preterist view).

Ephesians 1:13-14 assures us that “ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.”

Ephesians 4:30 similarly states, “ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.”

This teaching has absolutely nothing to do with AD70, the coming of Titus, the old covenant, the destruction of Jerusalem and the ancient Jews. The teaching is spiritual instruction that is directed towards the largely Gentile church at Ephesus who were living under the new covenant. It also relates to us today also.

This relates exclusively to the security a believer enjoys being "in Christ" until Jesus comes. That day is the climatic coming of Jesus Christ. The Holy Spirit is here described as “that Holy Spirit of promise.” The word “earnest” here relates to a security down payment. It is taken from the Greek word arrhabon, which is from a Hebrew origin [meaning a pledge in advance as security for the rest. You have heard of earnest money. ‘It is a portion of something, given or done in advance as a promise of the remainder’. This seal is active until the time when Jesus comes and we shall be physically redeemed.

 

[David Kent]

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[DavidPT]

I don't see it mentions earth.

Can you point out in that verse(Revelation 20:4) where it mentions heaven then, since I'm assuming you think heaven is meant? But if it mentions neither heaven or earth, how can you then claim, since it doesn't mention the earth, the earth is not meant then. And then turn right around and use opposite reasoning when it comes to your position? Your position would be---even though it doesn't mention heaven, it is still meaning heaven. How is that any different than---even though it doesn't mention earth, it is still meaning earth?

 

[sovereigngrace]

Wrong.

Christ is not reigning over earth at the moment. Neither are we.

According to the Word of God. Satan was defeated 2000 years ago. Christ rules and reigns today over His enemies in His Messianic reign.

Ephesians 1:20-23 tells us that God hath “raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: And 'hath put' (aorist active indicative) all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.”

He is risen and He is reigning! This is happening now! Check out the actual original text and check out the tense.

Paul shows that Christ’s return spells the termination of death and rebellion in 1 Corinthians 15:22-28, saying: “For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, when ‘he shall have delivered up’ the kingdom to God, even the Father; when ‘he shall have put down’ (aorist active subjunctive) all rule and all authority and power. For (or gar or seeing) he must reign reign (present, active infinitive), till he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. For ‘he hath put’ (aorist active indicative) all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. And when all things shall be (hupotageé) subdued (or subordinated) unto him (speaking of the Second Coming), then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all” (1 Corinthians 15:25-28).

He is risen and He is reigning! This is happening now! Check out the actual original text and check out the tense.

Hebrews 1:2, 3, 2:6-11 says, “Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things … Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high … What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him? Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands: ‘Thou hast put all things in subjection’ (aorist active indicative) under his feet. For in that ‘he put all in subjection’ (aorist active indicative) under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him. But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren."

He is risen and He is reigning! This is happening now! Check out the actual original text and check out the tense.

Christ is reigning since the resurrection. Jesus is still reigning in these last days (the intra-Advent period) and putting all enemies under His feet. All the result of the fall and every enemy of righteousness will be finally eliminated at Christ’s Coming. Men can still submit to His rule, however, when He returns with a rod of iron that is the end.

The devil is currently reigning over earth, ever since he stole it from Adam.

Paul, after Christ's resurrection says in 2 Corinthians 4:4,

Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe...(NLT)

However, the earth belongs to us as an inheritance due to the work of Christ on the cross.

You'll have to try again.

Satan is not the god of my world. Premils make Satan BIG, sovereign and ruling by their theology, whereas Amil makes Christ BIG, sovereign and ruling by their theology. Matthew 12:22-29, Mark 3:11, 23-27, Luke 10:18-19, Luke 11:20-22, John 12:31-33 Colossians 2:13-15, Hebrews 2:14-15, I John 3:8, Revelation 9:1-11, Revelation 12:7-9 and Revelation 20:2 prove Satan was cast out, bound, defeated, incapacitated, divested of power, disarmed, brought to naught, undone, stripped and spiritually imprisoned through Christ's sinless life, atoning death and triumphant resurrection. Colossians 2:15 tells us: “having spoiled (or divested or disarmed) principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.” Satan has not been rendered immobile or inoperative but is limited in his power, kingship and influence by being defeated on the cross. He is like a dog on a chain. He is shackled.

Satan cannot stop the enlightenment of the Gentiles as before. The restraint simply relates to the Gospel advance to the Gentiles. They were once enveloped in darkness before the first resurrection, now a bright light has been shining for 2000 years saving countless millions throughout the nations. And there is absolutely nothing Satan can do prevent the invasion of his territory. He cannot deceive "the nations" (Gentiles) because we now have the truth as a result of the church expansion into the nations.

We should note in Rev 20:3, the enlightening of the Gentiles (or) ethnos is carefully connected to the first resurrection of Christ. It is only through this powerful event that the deception that smothered the Gentiles was lifted. Moreover, the binding of Satan is expressly connected to the enlightenment of the Gentiles (or) ethnos.

The Church currently exists in its heavenly authority procured for them by Christ who has already defeated every enemy. The introduction of the kingdom of God through Christ’s earthly ministry saw the beginning of Christ’s assault upon the global control of Satan. It is through the finished work of Calvary that the Church now walks in victory. The responsibility of the Church is to simply enter into the reality of that great eternal work by faith. We reside on a far higher spiritual plane than this sin-cursed earth, namely in the throne-room of God. Abiding there ensures we walk by His will, His commands and His blueprint rather than our own carnal desires.

 

[DavidPT]

Satan is not the god of my world. Premils make Satan BIG, sovereign and ruling by their theology, whereas Amil makes Christ BIG, sovereign and ruling by their theology.

If this is true, why do Amils have satan bound in this age? And speaking of that, my challenge is still on. Show, using Revelation 12, where satan's thousand year binding fits. Clearly that chapter covers at least the past 2000 years and then some, which means, since Amils thousand years are meaning these same past 2000 years, they have to be in Revelation 12 then. So show exactly where, or admit Amil is debunked.

In Revelation 12, until satan is cast to the earth, this indicates he still had access to heaven in some sense or another, all the way up to him being cast out into the earth. It would seem plain silly to place his thousand year binding while he still has access to heaven. Obviously then, his binding can only fit after he no longer has access to heaven, thus after he has been cast unto the earth.

Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Here you go then. This is clearly after he has been cast out of heaven. Show where his initial thousand year binding begins using any of those verses. Keeping in mind, before verse 12 he still had access to heaven, thus his binding can't fit any of that, obviously. It can only fit after verse 12 then, there's no way around it. I say it fits after the fulfillment of verse 17. Prove it doesn't.

 

[sovereigngrace]

If this is true, why do Amils have satan bound in this age? And speaking of that, my challenge is still on. Show, using Revelation 12, where satan's thousand year binding fits. Clearly that chapter covers at least the past 2000 years and then some, which means, since Amils thousand years are meaning these same past 2000 years, they have to be in Revelation 12 then. So show exactly where, or admit Amil is debunked.

In Revelation 12, until satan is cast to the earth, this indicates he still had access to heaven in some sense or another, all the way up to him being cast out into the earth. It would seem plain silly to place his thousand year binding while he still has access to heaven. Obviously then, his binding can only fit after he no longer has access to heaven, thus after he has been cast unto the earth.

Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Here you go then. This is clearly after he has been cast out of heaven. Show where his initial thousand year binding begins using any of those verses. Keeping in mind, before verse 12 he still had access to heaven, thus his binding can't fit any of that, obviously. It can only fit after verse 12 then, there's no way around it. I say it fits after the fulfillment of verse 17. Prove it doesn't.

Satan held the power of death until sin was fully and finally paid for at the cross and the grave was defeated 3 days later. He also held a legitimate seat of accusation before the life, death and resurrection of Christ. Through Christ's victorious ministry Satan was stripped of his power and authority. As a result, he was banished from heaven. His charges carried no authority anymore because man's debt was paid in full. Since his casting down to the earth he has to point the finger direct at the elect (and hope they receive the false charges). God will not hear these accusations. The blood has covered all our sin - forever.

Satan has lost his previous ability to point the finger at God's people before the throne of God that Adam gave him. That position is gone forever. The blood of Jesus now pleads our cause. Sin and death is now defeated! The grave is defeated! The devil is a defeated foe! Satan is banished from heaven after Christ ascended to the throne. Scripture shows the casting out of Satan with the resulting / accompanying enlightenment of the nations with salvation.

In John 12:31-33 Christ predicted, shortly before He defeated the power of Satan at the cross, “now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. This he said, signifying what death he should die.”

Here was the time of his casting down - after the cross. Here was the time of the unblinding of the nations (the Gentiles). Here Christ gloriously dethroned Satan from his previous, largely unchallenged, global earthly rule and his place of accusation in heaven. Satan’s movement, liberties and sway on earth and in heaven received a severe blow.

Revelation 12:5-11 says : "And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death."

Satan's defeat came after the resurrection. See the blue highlight. Here is when he got his eviction notice, and here is "when" salvation came to the "whole world" - not just one nation Israel. The deception enveloping the Gentiles was lifted - praise God. They are now without excuse, just like those in the OT that rejected salvation. Salvation has now come to the nations. But Satan had to first be cast down. He had to be defeated. Christ’s life, death and resurrection safely secured that. As a result the Church becomes a militant overcoming organism.

Revelation 12:5-11 and Revelation 20 describe the overthrow of Satan after the resurrection. The casting of Satan and his minions out of heaven toward earth John 12:31-33 and Revelation 12:5-11 correlates with him being cast into the abyss (Jude 6, 2 Peter 2:4, Revelation 9 and Revelation 20). The abyss is a place of restraint.

Revelation 20:1-7 parallels Revelation 12: "And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison."

This is the authority He secured through His resurrection. He cast Satan out of heaven and then restrained him with spiritual chains so that the Gospel could enlighten the nations. Satan's defeat came after the resurrection. See the blue highlight.

 

[sovereigngrace]

It's not a question as to what the Jewish Revolts and total destruction of ancient Jerusalem and the whole temple system accomplishes for US....it's what it meant for the ancient Jews and the early church. It's a question as to how the generation that lived as contempories of Jesus - at His first Advent - experienced His salvation and vengeance. Salvation, wrath, and the end of the age (the Old Covenant age) are all tied together in the Bible (the way I see it - as is the partial preterist view).

When does the dead in Christ get their new physical bodies?

 

[sovereigngrace]

This promise recorded in Deuteronomy 32:43 (and repeated by Jesus in Matthew 23:13-36) had yet to be fulfilled after the cross (but was fulfilled, in the preterist theology, in 70 AD)

Deuteronomy 32:29 -43
v. 43- Rejoice, O nations, with His people; For He will avenge the blood of His servants, And will render vengeance on His adversaries, And will atone for His land and His people."​

Matthew 23:35 -36 - So that upon you may fall the guilt of all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. “Truly I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation."​

A couple of questions: what happens at the second coming? Can you furnish me with the scriptures that you believe relate to it? It seems like every Scripture that is presented here pertaining to the second coming is spiritualized away by you. Also, do you believe that sin, corruption, death and Satan continue on forever?

 

[mkgal1]

A couple of questions: what happens at the second coming? Can you furnish me with the scriptures that you believe relate to it? It seems like every Scripture that is presented here pertaining to the second coming is spiritualized away by you. Also, do you believe that sin, corruption, death and Satan continue on forever?

Why are you redirecting the conversation and avoiding what's written there?

Jesus said, Truly I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation."

 

[sovereigngrace]

Why are you redirecting the conversation and avoiding what's written there?

Jesus said, Truly I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation."

Please answer: what happens at the second coming? Can you furnish me with the scriptures that you believe relate to it? It seems like every Scripture that is presented here pertaining to the second coming is spiritualized away by you. Also, do you believe that sin, corruption, death and Satan continue on forever?

 

[sovereigngrace]

Why are you redirecting the conversation and avoiding what's written there?

Jesus said, Truly I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation."

The word genea means:

1) fathered, birth, nativity
2) that which has been begotten, men of the same stock, a family
2a) the several ranks of natural descent, the successive members of a genealogy
2b) metaphorically a group of men very like each other in endowments, pursuits, character
2b1) especially in a bad sense, a perverse nation
3) the whole multitude of men living at the same time
4) an age (i.e. the time ordinarily occupied be each successive generation), a space of 30 - 33 years.

Different translations and Bible scholars interpret it in different ways. Many good Bible students see it my way, many your way. I do not limit its meaning to a 40 year generation as Preterism must to sustain its school of thought. It can equally and fairly broadly describe a time-periods (a literal generation or age) or natural descendants (a group of men very like each other in endowments, pursuits or men of the same stock).

The root word for genea is genos (Strong’s 1085), which means race, kindred, offspring, family, stock, tribe, nation, i.e. nationality or descent from a particular people.

Acts 13:26 talks about “children of the stock [Gr. genos] of Abraham” and Philippians 3:5 those “of the stock [Gr. genos] of Israel.” The Bible is here speaking in a natural sense.

The root word of genos is ginomai (Strong’s 1096), which literally means to gen-erate.

Matthew 24:34 is telling us that the Jewish race would not pass away until all things are fulfilled. Israel is an everlasting generation.

 

[Brian Mcnamee]

You are totally sidestepping my main points. I refer you back.

And, yes, the Roman Empire did represent all nations. Check the history books.

In Zech 14 it ends after the LORD is king over all the earth that all the nations which are left will be required to keep the feast of tabernacles. Now this certainly notes not all nations will be left. This does not fit your Rome equals all idea. you have the wrong side winning. This is a single day not a long period of time. This is the very juncture of end of the tribulation and beginning of the millennium.

 

[sovereigngrace]

In Zech 14 it ends after the LORD is king over all the earth that all the nations which are left will be required to keep the feast of tabernacles. Now this certainly notes not all nations will be left. This does not fit your Rome equals all idea. you have the wrong side winning. This is a single day not a long period of time. This is the very juncture of end of the tribulation and beginning of the millennium.

There is no way that is all happening in one day.

 

[DavidPT]

There is no way that is all happening in one day.

Unfortunately when I agreed with that particular post, I failed to consider that part as well. I'm not seeing it involving just a single day either. Everything else in that post I would agree with though.

 

[sovereigngrace]

Unfortunately when I agreed with that particular post, I failed to consider that part as well. I'm not seeing it involving just a single day either. Everything else in that post I would agree with though.

That was the preeminent statement in it! You can take your award back, if it confuses the observer as to your position.

 

[Christian Gedge]

The word genea means:

1) fathered, birth, nativity
2) that which has been begotten, men of the same stock, a family
2a) the several ranks of natural descent, the successive members of a genealogy
2b) metaphorically a group of men very like each other in endowments, pursuits, character
2b1) especially in a bad sense, a perverse nation
3) the whole multitude of men living at the same time
4) an age (i.e. the time ordinarily occupied be each successive generation), a space of 30 - 33 years.

Different translations and Bible scholars interpret it in different ways. Many good Bible students see it my way, many your way. I do not limit its meaning to a 40 year generation as Preterism must to sustain its school of thought. It can equally and fairly broadly describe a time-periods (a literal generation or age) or natural descendants (a group of men very like each other in endowments, pursuits or men of the same stock).

The root word for genea is genos (Strong’s 1085), which means race, kindred, offspring, family, stock, tribe, nation, i.e. nationality or descent from a particular people.

Acts 13:26 talks about “children of the stock [Gr. genos] of Abraham” and Philippians 3:5 those “of the stock [Gr. genos] of Israel.” The Bible is here speaking in a natural sense.

The root word of genos is ginomai (Strong’s 1096), which literally means to gen-erate.

Matthew 24:34 is telling us that the Jewish race would not pass away until all things are fulfilled. Israel is an everlasting generation.

Yes, I see it as "of the stock" in this case. We see this prophecy of Jesus beginning to unfold in AD 70 but its continuation in AD 135 when Hadrian deported the remaining Jews. So, the broader historical picture favors the "of the stock" interpretation IMHO.

 

[DavidPT]

Satan held the power of death until sin was fully and finally paid for at the cross and the grave was defeated 3 days later. He also held a legitimate seat of accusation before the life, death and resurrection of Christ. Through Christ's victorious ministry Satan was stripped of his power and authority. As a result, he was banished from heaven. His charges carried no authority anymore because man's debt was paid in full. Since his casting down to the earth he has to point the finger direct at the elect (and hope they receive the false charges). God will not hear these accusations. The blood has covered all our sin - forever.

Satan has lost his previous ability to point the finger at God's people before the throne of God that Adam gave him. That position is gone forever. The blood of Jesus now pleads our cause. Sin and death is now defeated! The grave is defeated! The devil is a defeated foe! Satan is banished from heaven after Christ ascended to the throne. Scripture shows the casting out of Satan with the resulting / accompanying enlightenment of the nations with salvation.

In John 12:31-33 Christ predicted, shortly before He defeated the power of Satan at the cross, “now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. This he said, signifying what death he should die.”

Here was the time of his casting down - after the cross. Here was the time of the unblinding of the nations (the Gentiles). Here Christ gloriously dethroned Satan from his previous, largely unchallenged, global earthly rule and his place of accusation in heaven. Satan’s movement, liberties and sway on earth and in heaven received a severe blow.

Revelation 12:5-11 says : "And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death."

Satan's defeat came after the resurrection. See the blue highlight. Here is when he got his eviction notice, and here is "when" salvation came to the "whole world" - not just one nation Israel. The deception enveloping the Gentiles was lifted - praise God. They are now without excuse, just like those in the OT that rejected salvation. Salvation has now come to the nations. But Satan had to first be cast down. He had to be defeated. Christ’s life, death and resurrection safely secured that. As a result the Church becomes a militant overcoming organism.

Revelation 12:5-11 and Revelation 20 describe the overthrow of Satan after the resurrection. The casting of Satan and his minions out of heaven toward earth John 12:31-33 and Revelation 12:5-11 correlates with him being cast into the abyss (Jude 6, 2 Peter 2:4, Revelation 9 and Revelation 20). The abyss is a place of restraint.

Revelation 20:1-7 parallels Revelation 12: "And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison."

This is the authority He secured through His resurrection. He cast Satan out of heaven and then restrained him with spiritual chains so that the Gospel could enlighten the nations. Satan's defeat came after the resurrection. See the blue highlight.

Let's see if I'm understanding you somewhat correctly. So feel free to correct any misunderstandings of your position on my part. I'm just trying to get on the same page with you is all.

Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

Take verse 13, for instance. Is your position, though this does not depict a satan that is locked away in a pit, but is depicting a satan that is freely roaming about, he is fulfilling this verse while bound a thousand years in the bottomless pit?

As to verse 12, the text indicates this---for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Is your position, that while he is still bound in the pit, he is having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time? And as to this short time. The fact Amils see the thousand years meaning at least 2000 years thusfar, does that mean you think this short time mentioned is meaning at least 2000 years of human history and counting?

What I'm getting at over all, since the Amil take on the thousand years is that it is at least 2000 years and counting, this 2000 years can't start before satan is cast out into the earth, but must start once he has been cast out into the earth. The text in Revelation 12 indicates this---And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

That seems to be the first thing he sets out to do once he sees that he has been cast out into the earth.

 

[DavidPT]

That was the preeminent statement in it! You can take your award back, if it confuses the observer as to your position.

Then these icons members can click on are totally meaningless then. I'm guessing, very rarely when someone hits the agree button, does that automatically indicate they might agree word for word with everything the poster posted. Usually one is mainly agreeing with the general idea being submitted. You apparently saw this mentioning of a single day as being central to this, and I unfortunately didn't at the time.