Why are some Christians anti Evolution?

[BNR32FAN]

If I was a creationist, I would say that I believe the bible is right, but that the bible doesn't go into detail about how trees functioned without the sun.

Where does the Bible say that trees didn’t have sun?

 

[AV1611VET]

If I was a creationist, I would say that I believe the bible is right, but that the bible doesn't go into detail about how trees functioned without the sun.

Fair enough.

You defend It your way, and I'll defend It mine.

As I said, I don't know how many times I've been accused of "not thinking outside the box."

We either get "don't preach to me" or we're "sheeple."

You should stroll through this thread, started by our resident Mensan:

Does 'Goddidit' constitute an explanation?

 

[stevil]

Fair enough.

You defend It your way, and I'll defend It mine.

As I said, I don't know how many times I've been accused of "not thinking outside the box."

We either get "don't preach to me" or we're "sheeple."

You should stroll through this thread, started by our resident Mensan:

Does 'Goddidit' constitute an explanation?

Hello AV

I've updated this post and have provided a way for you to talk about Shekinah energy.
Basically by you providing facts and then disclaiming where you are going off script and speculating.

Below is my edited post
"If I was a creationist, I would say that I believe the bible is right, but that the bible doesn't go into detail about how trees functioned without the sun. That I recognise it as a problem given what we know today about how trees function. If I was one to speculate on biblical matters I might say perhaps the trees were functioning on Shekinah energy. But I would certainly make clear to my audience that Shekinah energy is not mentioned in the bible and that this is pure speculation on my behalf."

 

[SelfSim]

You defend It your way, and I'll defend It mine.

Defence by way of contradiction is not particularly attractive.

 

[stevil]

Where does the Bible say that trees didn’t have sun?

Discuss this with AV. He's better to tell you what is or isn't in the bible than me.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Nonsense if we were made perfect in character as God is there would’ve never been a fall because Adam wouldn’t have been able to sin just as God cannot sin.

But God is in the fortunate position of being unable to sin by definition. IOW whatever God does or commands is good - the alternative is that He is constrained by some greater and absolute objective moral code.

This is the Euthyphro dilemma - is it good because God does it, or does God do it because it is good?

 

[BNR32FAN]

Yeah but, what is it that is unique to a person that causes them to choose to obey god or to make their own decisions (a.k.a. sin)?
Is it because some have an obedient soul and some have an independent soul?

No it’s just that different people make different choices and even the same people make different choices at different times. Best answer is probably that people are vastly diverse.

 

[SelfSim]

But God is in the fortunate position of being unable to sin by definition. IOW whatever God does or commands is good - the alternative is that He is constrained by some greater and absolute objective moral code.

.. or, (perhaps more consistently), by some thinking process which arrived at that definition.

 

[BNR32FAN]

I don't know the answers, I just provided that second bit to make my question clearer. It's hard to discuss this stuff when I don't have much grasp on biblical concepts.

Ok fair enough I apologize if that comment came across a bit rude I should’ve probably exercised a bit more restraint on that one please forgive me.

 

[BNR32FAN]

That's not the problem.

Are you aware they have found petrified trees covered by several different rock layers?

 

[BNR32FAN]

If God is omnipotent, and thus already knows our futures, then how is our free choice even possible?

Did you write the script or direct the last movie you watched?

 

[Astrid]

no but your welcome to quote me if you believe I did.

So you accept that the earth is billions of years
old? Bible sez it was a lot quicker.
Which is it?

 

[stevil]

Ok fair enough I apologize if that comment came across a bit rude I should’ve probably exercised a bit more restraint on that one please forgive me.

No worries, mostly this thread is going cordially.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Discuss this with AV. He's better to tell you what is or isn't in the bible than me.

Well I’m assuming this is about the creation account which I’m not sure if the sun was created the first day or the fourth day but in any case if this is what the discussion was referring to I’m sure we can all agree that trees can survive for 24 hours without sunlight.

 

[stevil]

Did you write the script or direct the last movie you watched?

SelfSim posed a very common philosophical question. I'm sure this is not the first time you have heard this question.

 

[SelfSim]

No it’s just that different people make different choices and even the same people make different choices at different times. Best answer is probably that people are vastly diverse.

Yet the 'goodness', which constrains God to not be capable of sin, means that he must be capable of visualing sins in the future, in order to not do that.
How can our free choice be possible if that future he's drawing from, is already predestined (ie: allowing him to be able to see it and avoid sin in advance?)

 

[stevil]

Well I’m assuming this is about the creation account which I’m not sure if the sun was created the first day or the fourth day but in any case if this is what the discussion was referring to I’m sure we can all agree that trees can survive for 24 hours without sunlight.

What about without the warmth from the sun?
Without heat energy we get absolute zero which is -273.15 Celsius or -459.67 Farenheit
Trees would not last 24 hours at that temperature

 

[SelfSim]

Well I’m assuming this is about the creation account which I’m not sure if the sun was created the first day or the fourth day but in any case if this is what the discussion was referring to I’m sure we can all agree that trees can survive for 24 hours without sunlight.

So they grew to be trees in darkness?

 

[Astrid]

What assumptions?

You have the distance across the brim you have the circumference of the pool with those two numbers you can derive the width of the brim by using simple algebra.

The diameter of the brim is 180”
The circumference of the pool is 540”
180x3.14=565.2 circumference of the brim
540 circumference of the pool
565.2-540=25.2 the difference in circumference between the pool and the brim
25.2/3.14=8the difference in diameter between the pool and the brim
8/2=4 the brim hangs over both sides so you have to divide the difference in diameter by 2

Now you know the pool has a 4” brim.

All these precise numbers based on your assumptions about
the size of a cubit in biblical times.
Men averaged 5 ft to five ft three.

But never mind thsat all your calculating - calculating to get it erong.

The question is, what do you do when the bible is obviously
inaccurate? Believe it anyway?

 

[stevil]

No it’s just that different people make different choices and even the same people make different choices at different times. Best answer is probably that people are vastly diverse.

People are diverse yes, but what makes them diverse? What is the core of their decision making? Is it their soul? What is it that gets judged in heaven?

But you are also saying that the same person may make different choices at different times. This makes us random, and so we are judged for point in time decisions which could have gone either way and may have gone the other way if they were faced with this decision at a different time.

So why would these people be judged years later for a decision that only had meaning in that precise moment?