Why are some Christians anti Evolution?

[sjastro]

That doesn't answer the dilemma. Is He good because whatever He does is good by definition, or because He's constrained to follow some objective moral code?

Great Christian thinkers such as Thomas Aquinas questioned if God can be omnipotent using the Stone paradox as an example.

 

[AV1611VET]

Hello AV

I've updated this post and have provided a way for you to talk about Shekinah energy.
Basically by you providing facts and then disclaiming where you are going off script and speculating.

Below is my edited post
"If I was a creationist, I would say that I believe the bible is right, but that the bible doesn't go into detail about how trees functioned without the sun. That I recognise it as a problem given what we know today about how trees function. If I was one to speculate on biblical matters I might say perhaps the trees were functioning on Shekinah energy. But I would certainly make clear to my audience that Shekinah energy is not mentioned in the bible and that this is pure speculation on my behalf."

Fair enough.

A lot of times, I'll emphasize "IN MY OPINION" in big letters, just so they know.

Here's an example, where I referred to it as "vital energy," but especially note how I emphasized my point in all caps:

FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, I submit that God created the plants, then imparted [here it comes] vital energy [/there it goes] on them, and the rest is history.

 

[AV1611VET]

Defence by way of contradiction is not particularly attractive.

It attracts you, doesn't it?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Great Christian thinkers such as Thomas Aquinas questioned if God can be omnipotent using the Stone paradox as an example.

Yes, there are plenty of simple logical paradoxes regarding omnipotence, or omniscience, or omnibenevolence, etc., including some neat ways in which they are incompatible, but I particularly like the implications of the Euthyphro dilemma

 

[TLK Valentine]

Don't confuse perfection with omnipotence.

What about adaptability?

 

[sjastro]

Yes, there are plenty of simple logical paradoxes regarding omnipotence, or omniscience, or omnibenevolence, etc., including some neat ways in which they are incompatible, but I particularly like the implications of the Euthyphro dilemma

I prefer a modern version of the omnipotence paradox.

Here is a screen shot of a topologist (a type of pure mathematician) holding an object he insists is a square.

In fact he is quite correct, the object he holds is topologically equivalent to a square.
Can God show using topological equivalence, the mathematician is not holding up a square?
The answer is no.
It's like God trying to show 1+1=3.

The full story of this screen shot is given in the video.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Well what he was doing, when he did that, was visualsing a hypothetical action which involved doing something contrary to what he can only do .. a big contradiction .. (and illogical).

Foreseeing a future event is not hypothetical it’s seeing something that would actually take place so since God cannot sin then He cannot see that He would actually sin in the future. It’s not like if we think about doing something then decide not to do it, that’s a hypothetical situation. For God to foresee it as a future event it must be within the realm of possibility.

 

[BNR32FAN]

For what its worth, AV's order of creation is
Outer space, sea, land, trees, sun, stars, and whales.

I was actually undecided until you mentioned the thermal dilemma. I wasn’t sure which day He made the sun if it was the first or the fourth but obviously the first makes more sense. Just not sure what is being referred to on the fourth day other than the stars.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Of course i know what it means, and you make a lot of assumptions.
I am five ft tall, like men in biblical times.
Wanna guess my cubit?

But im curious what you do in face of the obvious inaccuracy
in the bible

And how long you figure the bible sez
it took "rocks" to form.

Well Genesis says they were made in a day and Exodus says He created everything on the earth and in the heavens in 6 days.

 

[stevil]

Fair enough.

A lot of times, I'll emphasize "IN MY OPINION" in big letters, just so they know.

Here's an example, where I referred to it as "vital energy," but especially note how I emphasized my point in all caps:

I don't think it is all that obvious to your audience what your capitalisation means.

Also you included this stuff in your question and answer test as if your answers are definitive, rather than as a reflection of your own opinion of a potential solution to the question.

Just giving some feedback to you (hopefully its useful) I am not trying to attack or ridicule you.

 

[AV1611VET]

I don't think it is all that obvious to your audience what your capitalisation means.

Also you included this stuff in your question and answer test as if your answers are definitive, rather than as a reflection of your own opinion of a potential solution to the question.

Just giving some feedback to you (hopefully its useful) I am not trying to attack or ridicule you.

You'd have to go through my class first.

I can't expect you to know the answers without you first being taught the information.

 

[Astrid]

Foreseeing a future event is not hypothetical it’s seeing something that would actually take place so since God cannot sin then He cannot see that He would actually sin in the future. It’s not like if we think about doing something then decide not to do it, that’s a hypothetical situation. For God to foresee it as a future event it must be within the realm of possibility.

Like making a universe in 6 days?

 

[Astrid]

Well Genesis says they were made in a day and Exodus says He created everything on the earth and in the heavens in 6 days.

You said it takes millions of years.

I see you are not willing to address the
issue of inaccuracies in the bible, so i wont ask again.

 

[BNR32FAN]

That doesn't answer the dilemma. Is He good because whatever He does is good by definition, or because He's constrained to follow some objective moral code?

It’s not really a dilemma, would God be good if He lied about sending Jesus to save us? If not then obviously whatever He does is not good. Whatever He does is good because of who He is and His character, He is not good because anything He should choose to do is considered to be good. That would imply that He could do anything and it would be defined as being good just because He did it.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Like making a universe in 6 days?

You don’t believe God can do that in 6 days, why not?

 

[Astrid]

You don’t believe God can do that in 6 days, why not?

I was ust checking on your notion of what is possible,
its nothing about me.

But fyi as a atheist i dont believe any god can do anything.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Do you say that genesis is literally correct?
If not, i take it back.
I thought you believe the bible.

Sorry I missed this post but did you go back and find the post where I said rocks were created in a day? Because I’m very anxious for you to read it in it’s entirety, it explains the answer to the question you keep asking me.

 

[stevil]

You'd have to go through my class first.

I can't expect you to know the answers without you first being taught the information.

But your class is teaching people facts about the bible or AV's opinions and explanations regarding fitting the bible into the real world, and current scientific knowledge as we know it today?

 

[Astrid]

Sorry I missed this post but did you go back and find the post where I said rocks were created in a day? Because I’m very anxious for you to read it in it’s entirety, it explains the answer to the question you keep asking me.

If you say you believe genesis is correct
then you say rocks were created in a day.
You also say ( falsely) that it takes millions
of years. Some do, some dont.
Ive pointed out those things before.
So this is getting ridiculous.

 

[AV1611VET]

But your class is teaching people facts about the bible or AV's opinions and explanations regarding fitting the bible into the real world, and current scientific knowledge as we know it today?

It is Creationism 101.

I gave a test that I made up myself.

If you take my class, and I give you that test, and you don't give the right answers, I'll fail you.

Just like I'm sure you would do me.

We could talk about the ramifications of that test until the Rapture comes, but IF you ever take it and don't give me the answers I'm looking for, I'll flunk you for sure.

I vaguely remember some years ago posting a little speech I'd give on the first day of class, but I can't find it.

I said something to the order of:

"Welcome to Creation 101. This is creationism as I see it. You're going to get some deep theology here, and I'm sure some of you are going to disagree with me, which is your prerogative. Feel free to do so. But be assured, I'm teaching this class, and if you don't pass my tests, I'll fail you."