Why are some Christians anti Evolution?

[Astrid]

But God is in the fortunate position of being unable to sin by definition. IOW whatever God does or commands is good - the alternative is that He is constrained by some greater and absolute objective moral code.

This is the Euthyphro dilemma - is it good because God does it, or does God do it because it is good?

Its like divine right of kings. Whstever they said was from god.

 

[Astrid]

What about without the warmth from the sun?
Without heat energy we get absolute zero which is -273.15 Celsius or -459.67 Farenheit
Trees would not last 24 hours at that temperature

Less than a second

 

[BNR32FAN]

But God is in the fortunate position of being unable to sin by definition. IOW whatever God does or commands is good - the alternative is that He is constrained by some greater and absolute objective moral code.

This is the Euthyphro dilemma - is it good because God does it, or does God do it because it is good?

I would say He does it because He’s good. The scriptures state several times that God is good.

 

[BNR32FAN]

So you accept that the earth is billions of years
old? Bible sez it was a lot quicker.
Which is it?

Let’s see that quote where I said that rocks are formed in a day. When you find it read very carefully and you might find the answer to this question and your previous one.

 

[Astrid]

I would say He does it because He’s good. The scriptures state several times that God is good.

So ifn he he sends a angel to chop up innocent babies, th a t is good
coz biblevsez its good,

Suffer no witch to live, stone adultrters.
Defined as good.

 

[Astrid]

Let’s see that quote where I said that rocks are formed in a day. When you find it read very carefully and you might find the answer to this question and your previous one.

Do you say that genesis is literally correct?
If not, i take it back.
I thought you believe the bible.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Yet the 'goodness', which constrains God to not be capable of sin, means that he must be capable of visualing sins in the future, in order to not do that.

No because that would mean that He had foreseen Him doing something that He cannot do. God cannot do anything that is contrary to His good and Holy nature. He is incapable of sin therefore He would never foresee Himself committing a sin because He cannot sin.

 

[BNR32FAN]

What about without the warmth from the sun?
Without heat energy we get absolute zero which is -273.15 Celsius or -459.67 Farenheit
Trees would not last 24 hours at that temperature

That’s an excellent point so I’d have to say that the sun was created on the first day not the fourth.

 

[SelfSim]

I would say He does it because He’s good. The scriptures state several times that God is good.

How do you understand what that means if not by means of us sharing in a common human language, (in this case: English)? Acquiring understanding of the meaning of concepts is what human minds do.
The word 'good' only means something to humans which implies the scriptures were also constrained to human thinking and conceptualisation ..

 

[BNR32FAN]

So they grew to be trees in darkness?

All the plants snd animals had to be created in a fully grown state otherwise they couldn’t survive. Plants had to be created fully grown to supply food for the animals and Adam & Eve all of which were vegetarian at the time.

 

[SelfSim]

No because that would mean that He had foreseen Him doing something that He cannot do. God cannot do anything that is contrary to His good and Holy nature. He is incapable of sin therefore He would never foresee Himself committing a sin because He cannot sin.

Well what he was doing, when he did that, was visualsing a hypothetical action which involved doing something contrary to what he can only do .. a big contradiction .. (and illogical).

 

[BNR32FAN]

How do you understand what that means if not by means of us sharing in a common human language, (in this case: English)? Acquiring understanding of the meaning of concepts is what human minds do.
The word 'good' only means something to humans which implies the scriptures were also constrained to human thinking and conceptualisation ..

Im sorry I don’t understand the question

 

[BNR32FAN]

All these precise numbers based on your assumptions about
the size of a cubit in biblical times.
Men averaged 5 ft to five ft three.

No not at all, did you look up a cubit before you accused me of making assumptions?

Definition of CUBIT

 

[Astrid]

No because that would mean that He had foreseen Him doing something that He cannot do. God cannot do anything that is contrary to His good and Holy nature. He is incapable of sin therefore He would never foresee Himself committing a sin because He cannot sin.

So he isnt omnipotent.

 

[SelfSim]

Im sorry I don’t understand the question

I agree .. (more learning about human conceptualisation and languages for you to chase up on then) ..

 

[stevil]

That’s an excellent point so I’d have to say that the sun was created on the first day not the fourth.

For what its worth, AV's order of creation is
Outer space, sea, land, trees, sun, stars, and whales.

 

[Astrid]

No not at all, did you look up a cubit before you accused me of making assumptions?

Definition of CUBIT

Of course i know what it means, and you make a lot of assumptions.
I am five ft tall, like men in biblical times.
Wanna guess my cubit?

But im curious what you do in face of the obvious inaccuracy
in the bible

And how long you figure the bible sez
it took "rocks" to form.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Are you aware they have found petrified trees covered by several different rock layers?

Yes, and not just trees. They're sometimes called polystrate (many strata) fossils. This article, Polystrate fossil - Wikipedia, gives some explanations of how they can occur.

"Scientists interpret polystrate fossils as fossils buried in a geologically short time span - either by one large depositional event or by several smaller ones. Geologists see no need to invoke a global flood to explain upright fossils. This position of geologists is supported by numerous documented examples, a few of which are discussed in the paragraphs below, of buried upright tree-trunks that have been observed buried in the Holocene volcanic deposits of Mount St. Helens, Skamania County, Washington, and Mount Pinatubo, Philippines; in the deltaic and fluvial sediments of the Mississippi River Delta; and in glacial deposits within the midwestern United States. These buried upright trees demonstrate that conventional geologic processes are capable of burying and preserving trees in an upright position such that in time, they will become fossilized."​

But regardless of polystrate fossils, I'd like to hear the explanations for how a flood can deposit the fossil patterns we see, where the strata contain repeated sequences of progressive development of living things, followed by mass extinctions, after which progressive development of new forms occurs, and where each species is confined within a band of strata within those sequences.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

I would say He does it because He’s good. The scriptures state several times that God is good.

That doesn't answer the dilemma. Is He good because whatever He does is good by definition, or because He's constrained to follow some objective moral code?

 

[sjastro]

Wanna guess my cubit?

27 hands short of a stallion?