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Why are most christians against asylum seekers?

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I wonder the same thing every day.

A woman I know who has been a mentor since I have met her, whose faith has been unquestionable since I have met her, was speaking against allowing the refugees into our country. She feared ISIS attacks.

I pointed out to her that she needs to have faith that everything will happen according to Gods plan, that it is all in His hands and we need to do our part to help those in need, and leave the rest up to God.

Her stance changed for about two weeks and now it's back to fear again. It seems to all boil down to fear and as someone once told me "If you're without faith you are with fear, if you are without fear you are with faith."

Faith in God is not the same thing as foolish.

I know that God will provide for me, yet I get up and go to work everyday, and I don't leave my front door wide open in "faith" thinking that God will protect my belongings.

We don't have brainless compassion, and we don't tempt God. We don't walk across a highway blindfolded thinking God will protect us.
 
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The mentor you mentioned sounds very wise.

Negligence and standing by while evil spreads and grows is abominable to God, and is akin to bowing down to evil. It is also cowardice.

We are to stand strong against evil. Otherwise we collude with it.

That is not of God.

No one is saying to stand down to evil, but to stand up for innocent. That is not anything against God, but for God.
No one is inviting terrorists into this country but if we are to refuse people into our country based on their religion or their ethnicity, we are being hateful judgemental cowards.

You believe it cowardice to let these people in, how? How is that out of anything fearful? It's not. It's cowardice to turn a blind eye to innocent people because we are afraid the bad guys will attack us for it.
 
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No one is saying to stand down to evil, but to stand up for innocent. That is not anything against God, but for God.
No one is inviting terrorists into this country but if we are to refuse people into our country based on their religion or their ethnicity, we are being hateful judgemental cowards.

You believe it cowardice to let these people in, how? How is that out of anything fearful? It's not. It's cowardice to turn a blind eye to innocent people because we are afraid the bad guys will attack us for it.

No, to be passive in the face of terrorism and horrific slaughter is cowardice. To not prevent further violence, leaving innocents vulnerable to wanton violence, is cowardice and evil.

Yes, we are to defend and speak out for those who are the innocents and those being targeted by evil...it's right there in the book of Isaiah multiple times, isn't it?

To allow evil to spread, unstopped or to just stand by, hoping that no innocents will be slaughtered, raped, etc. is despicable and in collusion with evil, and is downright cowardice. The blood that is shed as the evil grows, is on the hands of those who did nothing.

Wisdom is a GOOD thing.

Ever heard the story of the woman and the snake?
 
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No, to be passive in the face of terrorism and horrific slaughter is cowardice. To not prevent further violence, leaving innocents vulnerable to wanton violence, is cowardice and evil.

Yes, we are to defend and speak out for those who are the innocents and those being targeted by evil...it's right there in the book of Isaiah multiple times, isn't it?

To allow evil to spread, unstopped or to just stand by, hoping that no innocents will be slaughtered, raped, etc. is despicable and in collusion with evil, and is downright cowardice. The blood that is shed as the evil grows, is on the hands of those who did nothing.

Wisdom is a GOOD thing.

Ever heard the story of the woman and the snake?

Well we aren't talking about letting terrorists into the country, I am talking about those fleeing from the terrorists.

Fighting terrorists is a completely different topic.
 
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CIA Director: ISIS probably hiding operatives among refugees

http://www.christianforums.com/thre...s-among-refugees.7951991/page-2#post-69758993

It's not honoring to God to hide one's head in the sand.

It's cowardice.
Just because they MAY be hiding in the refugees, does not mean that they are.

You have just as much a chance of them being in the refugees as you do them being in the states. If we are going to refuse them because there MIGHT be a terrorist among them we may as well kick out every muslim or middle eastern who already lives here in the states.

This is just as bad as when we were attacked at Pearl Harbor and set up "camps" for the Japanese. Inhumane. Cowardice to sit back and watch people flee for their lives and turn them away because of our own fear. That my friend is cowardice. Prejudice and cowardice.

It's not in any way hiding in the sand and I'm baffled as to how you could even suggest that. Hiding in the sand is turning people in genuine need of safety away because we are afraid. Blaming it on "possible terrorists" when we were just shown that terrorists can be bred in our own back yard. That is hiding our heads in the sand. Not standing up for innocent people because we are afraid the "bad guys" might get us.

I am amazed that so many people can support the idea that turning away innocent people fleeing for their lives is somehow a good thing
 
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No one is saying to stand down to evil, but to stand up for innocent. That is not anything against God, but for God.
No one is inviting terrorists into this country but if we are to refuse people into our country based on their religion or their ethnicity, we are being hateful judgemental cowards.

You believe it cowardice to let these people in, how? How is that out of anything fearful? It's not. It's cowardice to turn a blind eye to innocent people because we are afraid the bad guys will attack us for it.

No one is innocent.
 
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Just because they MAY be hiding in the refugees, does not mean that they are.

You have just as much a chance of them being in the refugees as you do them being in the states. If we are going to refuse them because there MIGHT be a terrorist among them we may as well kick out every muslim or middle eastern who already lives here in the states.

This is just as bad as when we were attacked at Pearl Harbor and set up "camps" for the Japanese. Inhumane. Cowardice to sit back and watch people flee for their lives and turn them away because of our own fear. That my friend is cowardice. Prejudice and cowardice.

It's not in any way hiding in the sand and I'm baffled as to how you could even suggest that. Hiding in the sand is turning people in genuine need of safety away because we are afraid. Blaming it on "possible terrorists" when we were just shown that terrorists can be bred in our own back yard. That is hiding our heads in the sand. Not standing up for innocent people because we are afraid the "bad guys" might get us.

I am amazed that so many people can support the idea that turning away innocent people fleeing for their lives is somehow a good thing

Hiding one's head in the sand is turning a blind eye to evil, and thus perpetuating that evil, which God finds abominable. To not address the evil that is the cause for any refugees fleeing from the gitgo, is contributing to it and perpetuating it by being an arm of the very evil that is creating the need for refugees to flee.

I am an advocate for the downtrodden, the cast-aside, the abused, the "invisible". Always HAVE been. I give money (whatever is in my pocket) to the homeless, sleeping under and on top of piles of rags, blankets, etc, and i get to know them, speak out on their behalf and advocate for them in whatever dire need is most pressing. Many are veterans. It's tragic.

Once a woman from Ethiopia who spoke no English, was battered, had two small children, needed HUGE advocacy. I connected her with varying agencies, got her legal assistance, delighted with her when she learned yet one more English word (her husband would not allow her to learn English and he had nearly starved her before the police intervened), and she eventually got a job in an Ethiopian restaurant, got her house, and just shown (beamed) as she survived the trauma that she had endured.

I've worked closely with all kinds of agencies that intervene in dire dire refugee situations.

However, we would never ever allow even a hint of danger to filter through in some twisted way.

Wisdom, discretion, and clarity is a GOOD thing.

It is likened to sanity and good judgment.

It's a "God" thing.

It pleases Him brother, for us to utilize His wisdom in all situations.
 
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I'm tapping out. it's way too late and looks like we are at a stand still.

I'm sorry but no one will convince me that turning away from someone in true need is ever a good idea.

With that I wish you all a good night and I pray that no matter who is right or wrong, our hears remain in a place of love and desire to bring glory to God in all that we do and say.

Take care.
 
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Faith in God is not the same thing as foolish.

I know that God will provide for me, yet I get up and go to work everyday, and I don't leave my front door wide open in "faith" thinking that God will protect my belongings.

We don't have brainless compassion, and we don't tempt God. We don't walk across a highway blindfolded thinking God will protect us.

Amen, brother.
 
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I'm tapping out. it's way too late and looks like we are at a stand still.

I'm sorry but no one will convince me that turning away from someone in true need is ever a good idea.

With that I wish you all a good night and I pray that no matter who is right or wrong, our hears remain in a place of love and desire to bring glory to God in all that we do and say.

Take care.

Read post #69.

Love and wisdom are a GOOD thing, brother.....also read post #61.

Hope you are able to get some rest.

G'nite.
 
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With no reference to anything else in the thread or the forum,
why do you differ with the Bible about this ?
Clearly Jesus and the Apostles and the disciples were homeless at times.
Perhaps you got information from somewhere else ? (not that it matters- just strange that anyone would think Jesus and the Apostles and the disciples were not homeless at times - even TODAY)

They spent most of their time on the road, but they never lacked
for where to stay. Even at Passover, there was a room waiting, and
that is like Superbowl week wherever it is played.
 
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Keeping refugees out did not stop the shooting in Orlando. The assailant was an American born man.

So, because it wouldn't have stopped this one, we should
make it easier for the next dozen or thousand terrorists to
enter the country as refugees and asylum seekers or plain
illegal aliens?
 
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Hiding one's head in the sand is turning a blind eye to evil, and thus perpetuating that evil, which God finds abominable. To not address the evil that is the cause for any refugees fleeing from the gitgo, is contributing to it and perpetuating it by being an arm of the very evil that is creating the need for refugees to flee.

I am an advocate for the downtrodden, the cast-aside, the abused, the "invisible". Always HAVE been. I give money (whatever is in my pocket) to the homeless, sleeping under and on top of piles of rags, blankets, etc, and i get to know them, speak out on their behalf and advocate for them in whatever dire need is most pressing. Many are veterans. It's tragic.

Once a woman from Ethiopia who spoke no English, was battered, had two small children, needed HUGE advocacy. I connected her with varying agencies, got her legal assistance, delighted with her when she learned yet one more English word (her husband would not allow her to learn English and he had nearly starved her before the police intervened), and she eventually got a job in an Ethiopian restaurant, got her house, and just shown (beamed) as she survived the trauma that she had endured.

I've worked closely with all kinds of agencies that intervene in dire dire refugee situations.

However, we would never ever allow even a hint of danger to filter through in some twisted way.

Wisdom, discretion, and clarity is a GOOD thing.

It is likened to sanity and good judgment.

It's a "God" thing.

It pleases Him brother, for us to utilize His wisdom in all situations.

AMEN and AMEN! I have done likewise.
 
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i dunno about a story about the Holy Bible, but i do read it.

You?

Well, as you know, the Holy Bible, though comprising of many books, is also a complete and continuous story. I do didn't say a story "about", but a story "of", that is; a story about God who saved us, even though we were in enmity against God.

Consider the Good Samaritan. Isn't this an apt parable for today? Or is what's happening now somehow different?
 
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Well, as you know, the Holy Bible, though comprising of many books, is also a complete and continuous story. I do didn't say a story "about", but a story "of", that is; a story about God who saved us, even though we were in enmity against God.

Consider the Good Samaritan. Isn't this an apt parable for today? Or is what's happening now somehow different?

Fair enough.

However it is more like a "testimony" from God Himself, to me.

Regarding the Good Samaritan, yes, it absolutely applies. ALWAYS.

Read posts #61 and #69.

Wisdom is a GOOD thing. It pleases God when we utilize His wisdom, discretion, and clarity in ALL things.
 
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I see everyone jumped on board my comment about all of the caveats Jesus had about helping people and when we should not be helping people; when we should not be showing love and concern for them.

Well! I finally found the verse!
Here's the one where Jesus says "ONLY help people's whose circumstances you entirely are aware of in order to keep yourself safe:
‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’"Matthew 25:40

And here's the one where Jesus story about Jesus chastizing an enemy of the people of Israel who had the unmitigated gall to help someone in need:
In reply Jesus said: “A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he was attacked by robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. 31 A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. and gave them to the innkeeper. ‘Look after him,’ he said, ‘and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.’

36 “Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?”

37 The expert in the law replied, “The one who had mercy on him.”

Jesus told him, “Go and do likewise.”
And I'm sure Jesus expects more righteous acts from his enemies than from his followers.
 
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