Why are most christians against asylum seekers?

rambot · Jun 17, 2016

brinny said:
There you have it. ISIS. Islamic terrorism. Continuing to commit atrocities.

And it goes on. And on. And on. Non-stop.

AND they are the victims. Those MUSLIMS you don't trust; that you TURN AWAY when they are TERRIFIED. THOSE people are Jesus and he has said that several times. And YOU are turning your back on them. And you are okay with that.

THIS is the issue. It IS especially fiendish to use refugees as a smoke screen to enter other countries for diabolic reasons.

We are talking about helping people. Why is the reason people need help the issue? I agree that it is fiendish, evil and awful that terrorists would do those things.
But hey! EVIIIIL! There's no guarantee that you won't experience true evil in this world. But as Christians we are called to fight that evil with Love and faith in Christ. Turning away refugees is the exact opposite of that calling in my opinion.

THIS

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is why wisdom, discretion, and clarity is a GOOD thing, and it is GODLY to utilize the wisdom God grants us.

Ok, so again, I made the point that prejudicial thoughts about a group is NOT wisdom but for some reason, you chose to ignore that point. I'm hoping you could explain a bit more clearly, how using wisdom to discern the goodness of an individual is the SAME as using "wisdom" to make baseless claims about an entire group.
100 years ago in the South, you'd hear a person say ALL blacks are dirty, thieving miscreants and someone would be able to throw up some kinda evidence to support that ALL blacks can't be trusted; that they were not worthy of God's (or any Christian's grace). It's not about each of them as individuals; it's about the group caricature.

Ever heard the story about the babies and the water?

Yes. But I'm not the one saying NO refugees should come in because a FEW bad eggs may get in.

rambot · Jun 17, 2016

yeshuaslavejeff said:
When cancer spreads through a human body, it deactivates the normal immune system response, "as if" the cancer wasn't even there. It's simply not recognized, and it can be insidious and deadly.
The "body" often doesn't "know" about the cancer until it is too late, 'officially'.
That's how countries may be and have been taken over , quietly, little by little, also.

What would be some examples of this? I'm especially excited to hear about a "take over" taking place anywhere in the world!

rambot · Jun 17, 2016

brinny said:
God's plan includes for His servants to be wise and balanced and to use discretion in ALL things.

You keep bringing up "wisdom" but you've show no real evidence that what is being shown is ACTUALLY wisdom. Because it sounds more like paranoia than wisdom.

brinny · Jun 17, 2016

rambot said:
AND they are the victims. Those MUSLIMS you don't trust; that you TURN AWAY when they are TERRIFIED. THOSE people are Jesus and he has said that several times. And YOU are turning your back on them. And you are okay with that.

We are talking about helping people. Why is the reason people need help the issue? I agree that it is fiendish, evil and awful that terrorists would do those things.
But hey! EVIIIIL! There's no guarantee that you won't experience true evil in this world. But as Christians we are called to fight that evil with Love and faith in Christ. Turning away refugees is the exact opposite of that calling in my opinion.

Ok, so again, I made the point that prejudicial thoughts about a group is NOT wisdom but for some reason, you chose to ignore that point. I'm hoping you could explain a bit more clearly, how using wisdom to discern the goodness of an individual is the SAME as using "wisdom" to make baseless claims about an entire group.
100 years ago in the South, you'd hear a person say ALL blacks are dirty, thieving miscreants and someone would be able to throw up some kinda evidence to support that ALL blacks can't be trusted; that they were not worthy of God's (or any Christian's grace). It's not about each of them as individuals; it's about the group caricature.

Yes. But I'm not the one saying NO refugees should come in because a FEW bad eggs may get in.

You didn't understand my post(s), did you?

You seem to be ranting, and it's clear that you did not understand a word i posted.

You have my sympathy.

brinny · Jun 17, 2016

rambot said:
You keep bringing up "wisdom" but you've show no real evidence that what is being shown is ACTUALLY wisdom. Because it sounds more like paranoia than wisdom.

No, the calmness of wisdom in a crisis is clear thinking and sanity and balance. That's why it's a requirement for a competent crisis intervention counselor or someone who intervenes. God values wisdom. It's written all throughout His Word.

Surely you know this, brother in Christ and beloved son of the Most High God.

yeshuaslavejeff · Jun 17, 2016

rambot said:
AND they are the victims. Those MUSLIMS you don't trust; that you TURN AWAY when they are TERRIFIED. THOSE people are Jesus and he has said that several times. And YOU are turning your back on them. And you are okay with that.

Brinny and others have already answered that point sufficiently to show it is not correct.
However, there's other considerations that may play a bigger part in it than what anyone has brought up so far. -- namely, there's not enough (in number) believers to take care of the refugees.
Where there may be or is only a few refugees, in some local areas, believers might well treat them
exactly as Jesus illustrated with the 'good samaritan'.
Meanwhile, the governments choices what to do are not even affected by God's Word, yeah or ney.
All the governments reasonings and values have been decided by carnal worldly riches powers and values and are all part of everything being summed up toward the end.

yeshuaslavejeff · Jun 17, 2016

rambot said:
What would be some examples of this? I'm especially excited to hear about a "take over" taking place anywhere in the world!

The only example (a stepping stone to finding out the others) I'm allowed to give at this point is Nicaragua. Look it up. You might find many others while searching - no surprise there. Take your time - test and verify as you find out - no one taught you the truth in history classes, probably. It is quite a shock to most people's systems/ mind/ values to find out too fast - denial sets in and they might not find out until too late.

Alithis · Jun 18, 2016

dude99 said:
Why it seems most Christians are against asylum seekers? For the political parties most Chrisitans support are the parties who are are openly stating to deport asylum seekers and even refuse to accomodate people that have fled their own countries due to war and persecution. Anyway Jesus Christ himself was a refugee.

It seems the people I personally know that are most passionate about the rights of asylum seekers are not Christian at all. Unlike some Chrisitans I come accross who believe that asylum seekers should be deported from the country.

It is a sticky question.
We as western christians are very detached from the face of it.
But many faced with a starving helpless family, I think, would do what they should do.. Feed them and help them.they would put aside the politically fed agendas and just be christians.

A question for some reason not being asked is..why are muslim oil nations taking no refugees at all? Under the human sorrow of it,there is an agenda being manipulated . we sense it and desire to oppose it.

Job8 · Jun 18, 2016

kmrichard7 said:
I pointed out to her that she needs to have faith that everything will happen according to Gods plan, that it is all in His hands and we need to do our part to help those in need, and leave the rest up to God.

It is not God's plan to kill and destroy people. That's Satan's plan.

yeshuaslavejeff · Jun 18, 2016

Job8 said:
It is not God's plan to kill and destroy people. That's Satan's plan.

Read Revelation. A lot of people are killed and destroyed.

Job8 · Jun 18, 2016

yeshuaslavejeff said:
Read Revelation. A lot of people are killed and destroyed.

Your point being?

yeshuaslavejeff · Jun 18, 2016

Have to read Revelation to find out. No reason to listen to me
if you think God doesn't kill and doesn't destroy people.
See what He says.

timewerx · Jun 18, 2016

dude99 said:
Why it seems most Christians are against asylum seekers? For the political parties most Chrisitans support are the parties who are are openly stating to deport asylum seekers and even refuse to accomodate people that have fled their own countries due to war and persecution. Anyway Jesus Christ himself was a refugee.

It seems the people I personally know that are most passionate about the rights of asylum seekers are not Christian at all. Unlike some Chrisitans I come accross who believe that asylum seekers should be deported from the country.

Jesus wasn't a refugee, at least, not the type that sought for asylum.

I sympathize with the asylum seekers but it don't think we can use it as license to be stupid.

Most of the troublemakers within the asylum seekers seem to come from males between ages 10 to 50.

The low age of 10 is based on my own personal experience dealing with male Arabic youths. It's sad for me to say, there are lots of evil males in that demography. The % is disturbing particularly for males between 10 and 20.

We are to be charitable but also not stupid enough to let other people abuse our kindness. Smart enough to use statistics to only help those than needed it most - the women and young children and older men and perhaps exclude the troublemakers - men between 10 and 50.

Kudot · Jun 18, 2016

I look at Sweden and Germany in their current state, I know that these refugees are not the good sort.

You can look into their book, and see the venomous words written within it. Just because some moderates and their families that came here long ago follow a thoroughly diluted version of their scripture doesn't mean they all do.

jimmyjimmy · Jun 18, 2016

yeshuaslavejeff said:
When cancer spreads through a human body, it deactivates the normal immune system response, "as if" the cancer wasn't even there. It's simply not recognized, and it can be insidious and deadly.
The "body" often doesn't "know" about the cancer until it is too late, 'officially'.
That's how countries may be and have been taken over , quietly, little by little, also.

Check out Sweden. They are all but gone. http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/23/s...its-the-rape-capital-of-the-west-japan-didnt/

FireDragon76 · Jun 18, 2016

I think you are just hanging out with the wrong Christians. Most mainline Protestant and Catholic churches favor some kind of support for refugees as a matter of principle.

To be frank, many other denominations only care what happens below the belt. If it's not sex, it's not a sin.

jimmyjimmy · Jun 18, 2016

Liberals are very poor at understanding unintended consequences. There is a certain naiveté to the Liberal mind.

rambot · Jun 18, 2016

brinny said:
No, the calmness of wisdom in a crisis is clear thinking and sanity and balance. That's why it's a requirement for a competent crisis intervention counselor or someone who intervenes. God values wisdom. It's written all throughout His Word.

Surely you know this, brother in Christ and beloved son of the Most High God.

I understand what wisdom is. I have done a lot of crisis intervention work.
I don't believe turning a blind eye to the vulnerable because you are worried about some nebulous threat from people who may OR may not exist is considered wisdom. I do not see the wisdom in not helping 30,000 people because 40 of them MAY be a threat (and that's a big may given that one cannot extrapolate numbers of "well X% of muslims align themselves with extremist ideology" and use it to define refugees. There is no "wisdom" being employed by doing that); that is STRAIGHT UP fear).

On the first few pages you post up stories about the TERRIBLE things ISIS has done around the world and fully believe those things will start to happen here if you let refugees in. I say, in no WAY, would that happen.

yeshuaslavejeff said:
Brinny and others have already answered that point sufficiently to show it is not correct.

Catagorically, unequivocally, head-in-the-sand level false. Muslims are BY FAR, the largest victims of ISIS and that evil horde of marauders and you all are turning a blind eye to their plight. It is as simple as that. You can claim you are showing wisdom in doing so. I disagree.

However, there's other considerations that may play a bigger part in it than what anyone has brought up so far. -- namely, there's not enough (in number) believers to take care of the refugees.

And so isn't it telling that nonchristians are willing to help the afflicted, downtrodden and vulnerable while Christians talk about fear OVER love in the guise of wisdom?

Where there may be or is only a few refugees, in some local areas, believers might well treat them
exactly as Jesus illustrated with the 'good samaritan'.
Meanwhile, the governments choices what to do are not even affected by God's Word, yeah or ney.

Does it ever cross your mind that nonchristians may end up treating them better than Christians? And do you worry about what that says to nonchristians about the christian capacity for love?

All the governments reasonings and values have been decided by carnal worldly riches powers and values and are all part of everything being summed up toward the end

And yet.... Romans 13:

Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience. ...

timewerx · Jun 18, 2016

yeshuaslavejeff said:
When cancer spreads through a human body, it deactivates the normal immune system response, "as if" the cancer wasn't even there. It's simply not recognized, and it can be insidious and deadly.
The "body" often doesn't "know" about the cancer until it is too late, 'officially'.
That's how countries may be and have been taken over , quietly, little by little, also.

What the "cancer" in our society does to deactivate the "immune system" is social and political "correctness".

jimmyjimmy · Jun 18, 2016

timewerx said:
What the "cancer" in our society does to deactivate the "immune system" is social and political "correctness".

Yes, and ironically, I shames the opposition into silence by using terms like "homophobia" to define people who oppose SSM, while defending the Muslim terrorists who actually are homophobic!

It both shuts down the "immune system" and promotes the growth of the "cancer".

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