Why Are Masks Triggering Conflict and Rage?

[Running2win]

This. It's like a page out of a dystopian-society novel.
Take the mark -- er -- mask, or else.

On the one hand, I get the logic from a purely pandemic-protection angle. Masks might help, even if just a little. Better than nothing, I guess. But it would be naive of me to think that it absolutely ends there, especially given what people are capable of now.

I tend to be preterist in my eschatology (what little eschatology I have left, anyway), but if there is some sort of AntiChrist in our future, he's going to have it so easy! People will just cave. This mask thing looks like a dress-rehearsal, or a diagnostic tool to test the waters and see how compliant people are. Take the mask -- take the mark. I'm a little shocked that more people (believers, no less!) don't see this. And I realize none of that helps quell fears... sorry about that.

But hey -- it could just as easily not be that kind of situation we're seeing. The trick may lie in ignoring *both* the conspiracy theories *and* the news-media. (Is there a mask to protect against those, 'cause I'd wear one!

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You are spot on! That is really what we are talking here. The AC will have it easy. Christians like that lady that thinks you should be shot for not wearing a mask will be the first ones to bow down to the beast and turn over people she knows that did not take the mark.

And just think, tie this to not being able to but or sell anything. The mask thing is even mirroring that you have to wear masks in order to even go into stores anymore.

IMO, most of the numbers are made up. I do not believe a word that comes out of the left leaning media anymore. But both left and right are looking more the same on the virus. It's just a matter of time before all will be under the thumb of Big Brother.

Jesus said nation will rise against nation just before He returns. I believe we are seeing signs of this NOW, and the mask thing is just a prelude to the next phase of mind control and fear that will have things getting bloody.

Americans that don't live in big cities are getting about fed up being governed by them. And they have guns. A lot of guns. Sides will have to be picked.



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[jollybear]

If there was a ebola level outbreak and and people were breaking quarantine then yes, death might be only answer.

Always a pet peeve of mine when you have a horrible deadly disease killing people you follow a family trying to escape the quarantine zone, and the soldiers shooting peopole are made to be the badguys. I'm sorry but depending on the saverity of the disease, you risk killing thousands or millions by breaking qurantine, with this one more likly to kill a few, but your still responsible for any deaths you cause. Pandemic is not the rate of death, it's how far it's spread. And I would be up for making stricter laws on flu, and like I said at the least make it so you can't be fired for not going to work with the flu.

Probably the biggest spreaders of the flu are people going to work or school rather then avoid being fired and such.

Heads up to everyone else who gave me a reply, due to time constraints i have to randomly pick one or 2 posts to reply too otherwise i will literally be on my phone for hours. I have read all your replies though.

Here's all I'm saying, where does it end?

Yea, if we know wer sick, we should avoid people, rest and recover. However if we don't know and then spread it asymptomatic why should we be punished?

By this logic we should shut roads down because millions die of auto accidents every year.

People die of many different things and we don't shut down the world for those things.

 

[Running2win]

Oops. Think I posted in a quote box.

 

[jollybear]

And people get in accidents due to their car's brakes failing. So?

Brakes and masks are not the same thing. Brakes can work or fail. Masks either work or dont. There is no fail,they either work or don't.

 

[sfs]

Here's all I'm saying, where does it end?

It ends at a reasonable place, where costs and benefits are pretty well balanced.

By this logic we should shut roads down because millions die of auto accidents every year.

No, by this logic, if we could prevent a million deaths from auto accidents every year by doing something simple, cheap, and not very onerous, we should do so. Which is in fact what we've done. We've installed traffic lights stop signs and punished people for ignoring them; we've mandated seatbelts and their use and airbags and other safety features; we infringe on everyone's freedom by insisting they drive on the same side of the road as everyone else; we make people pass a driving test before letting them on the road. Wearing a mask for a year when you're in a crowd seems like a pretty minimal imposition compared to some of these. (By the way, millions don't die from auto accidents per year -- it's 30-some thousand in the US and 1.3 million in the world.)

 

[Hazelelponi]

In a similar way, face masks are tied to the political conflict over our response to the coronavirus. Those who lean left politically tend to see the virus as a more dire threat; those on the right are more likely to downplay its seriousness or compare it to less deadly strains like the flu, often following the lead of conservative politicians.

Accordingly, masks may be seen as a marker of political loyalty, triggering feelings of us-versus-them. A politically liberal person may assume that someone wearing a mask is “on their team,” while those who don’t wear masks must be Fox News-watching Republicans. The anger they feel is not simply about the mask, but about believing the non-mask wearer is a certain type of person.

On the flip side, the politically conservative might interpret calls for masks as politically-driven efforts to play up the seriousness of the coronavirus. Being asked to don a mask then becomes not just a request to protect the health of others, but to give up their worldview and political allegiance. It may feel like asking a Red Sox fan to put on a Yankees jersey.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...05/why-are-masks-triggering-conflict-and-rage

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This an article I thought was poignant. Don't shoot the messenger please .

I do believe people on the right and the left view life altogether differently.

The Hong Kong Flu in the late 60's was a huge deal...killing over 100,000 in the U.S. and over a million world-wide, but no one shut down commerce, or stopped their daily lives. They simply lived in the middle of a pandemic until a vaccine was developed.

That is the basic attitude on the right, why stop living life? Life goes on, and must go on, regardless of what is occurring around us. Life itself is fatal.

^^^ old newspaper clip...

Most republicans feel that life cant stop just because there's a risk of death as all of life is risk and is, ultimately, fatal.

This thought process is non-existant on the left... for some reason they feel certain they would live forever if they avoided any and all situations of risk, and the powers that be seem to use people's fear of death as a means to control the masses.

For whatever reason a mask has morphed into "control", a lot like wearing a Nazi symbol on ones sleeve these days... some are ultimately proud of the symbol as it stands for the control they love, or it's the yellow star of David marking you out as an other...

I can't breathe in the stupid things...I have COPD and wearing them, especially in heat and humidity, makes me dizzy and feel faint. I have to take it down from my nose to keep from passing out in the street, not that our modern Nazis care.. when given a choice, I won't wear them for health reasons.

 

[Nithavela]

Brakes and masks are not the same thing. Brakes can work or fail. Masks either work or dont. There is no fail,they either work or don't.

I have no idea what you are trying to say.

 

[Nithavela]

I do believe people on the right and the left view life altogether differently.

The Hong Kong Flu in the late 60's was a huge deal...killing over 100,000 in the U.S. and over a million world-wide, but no one shut down commerce, or stopped their daily lives. They simply lived in the middle of a pandemic until a vaccine was developed.

People still wore masks, though.

Also, the Hong Kong flu had several waves with almost disappearing in the summer between them, unlike Corona, which is happily murdering americans in the heat.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

I have no idea what you are trying to say.

Bremsen und Masken sind nicht dasselbe. Bremsen können funktionieren oder ausfallen. Masken funktionieren entweder oder nicht. Es gibt keinen Fehler, sie funktionieren entweder oder nicht.

 

[Nithavela]

Bremsen und Masken sind nicht dasselbe. Bremsen können funktionieren oder ausfallen. Masken funktionieren entweder oder nicht. Es gibt keinen Fehler, sie funktionieren entweder oder nicht.

Mein Luftkissenfahrzeug ist voller Aale.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Mein Luftkissenfahrzeug ist voller Aale.

Wenn ich auf der wilden Seite gehe, gibt es auch Aale.

 

[LostMarbels]

On the one hand, I get the logic from a purely pandemic-protection angle. Masks might help, even if just a little. Better than nothing, I guess. But it would be naive of me to think that it absolutely ends there, especially given what people are capable of now.

They are better than nothing. They are not however, so absolutely pivotal, someone that is just reaming distant (socially distant) is not doing the same 'civic service', or acting responsible.

I tend to be preterist in my eschatology (what little eschatology I have left, anyway), but if there is some sort of AntiChrist in our future, he's going to have it so easy! People will just cave.

I actually am astonished at this. I used to believe there would be some sort of uprising. That people would cave in the midst of this uprising. Instead, it seems many are willing to enslave themselves in order to feel safe.

And I realize none of that helps quell fears... sorry about that.

As nuts as it might sound, this brings me hope, not fear. I might finally be going home soon.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

I do believe people on the right and the left view life altogether differently.

You are probably right.

That is the basic attitude on the right, why stop living life? Life goes on, and must go on, regardless of what is occurring around us. Life itself is fatal.

Most republicans feel that life cant stop just because there's a risk of death as all of life is risk and is, ultimately, fatal.

and that is a bit foolish since pandemic can be reduced and less people die and even the economy gets back to normal better when people take it seriously.

This thought process is non-existant on the left... for some reason they feel certain they would live forever if they avoided any and all situations of risk, and the powers that be seem to use people's fear of death as a means to control the masses.

Quite the hyperbole.

For whatever reason a mask has morphed into "control", and if your easily controlled, your wearing a mask and if not, you balk at the notion.

It's a lot like wearing a Nazi symbol on ones sleeve these days... some are ultimately proud of the symbol as it stands for the control they love, or it's the yellow star of David marking you out as an other...

Right, don't forget the Nazi analogy. You just lost all credibility.

I can't breathe in the stupid things...I have COPD and wearing them, especially in heat and humidity, makes me dizzy and feel faint. I have to take it down from my nose to keep from passing out in the street, not that our modern Nazis care.. when given a choice, I won't wear them for health reasons.

Fine then done wear it. But why pass Nazi judgement on those who do?

 

[ripple the car]

A death rate under 3% extrapolated pit across the whole population would still be about 5 people were at my wedding last year would be dead. That would be by far the most funerals I would have attended in a year. It’s not some small amount. It would be a national tragedy.

The Greatest Generation stepped up when their country called upon them to risk their lives in battles overseas, taking up jobs in factories, and rationing the usage of materials at home. Today their country is asking people to wear masks outside and not gather in large groups. If World War II was happening today Germany would own mainland Europe and Japan would own the Pacific. We are a pathetic country compared to what we once were. Our generation’s task was to stay home for the good of the nation and we have been wholly incapable of doing it.

Part of being in a functioning society is sacrificing at times for the greater good of the society. Past generations sacrificed their lives for the greater good, you are being asked to wear a mask. Do it or get out of the society.

I am not against mask wearing. At all.

I am simply arguing that we’re seeing a level of panic here with this virus that is unprecedented, and seems to be not fully necessary.

 

[iluvatar5150]

I dont wear a mask going to grocery stores.

Reason?
1, the death rate is less then 1%
2, my freedom is more important then the risk.
3, if others are afraid of the virus, THEY can wear a mask and stay away from me and if there REAL afraid, they can homeshop. Why should i be the one to have to home shop because there afraid of me not wearing a mask? And if there wearing a mask, then they should feel secure enough behind it without demanding i wear one too. I should not have to sacrifice my freedom to cater to there fears. Aspeasally fears that are irrational at that.

Its not selfish for me to refuse to cater to others fears of the virus, its selfish for them to demand i wear a mask to relieve there fears when THEY should feel secure behind there own mask or they can stay home and home shop.

Over half a million people die of the regular flu every year, yet people wer not wearing masks for that. Where wer all the VERTUE SIGNALLERS then?

Ah ya, the news didn't tell them to wear one then.

Its selfish to require us to wear a mask under the threat of no service, fines or worse jail.

My freedom and YOUR freedom and your children's freedom is much more important then living in a bubble. Where does the madness stop?

We have businesses being destroyed in the name of health and you call us selfish?

Give me a break.

Yes, I absolutely call you selfish. Your "freedoms" apparently trump the safety of everybody else around you - something as simple and as unobtrusive as wearing a mask is apparently too much for you. I'm hardly one of the mask nazis and I think plenty of people go overboard, but in this particular case, you are definitely the selfish one. And not only is your attitude here incredibly selfish, most of your beliefs regarding the mortality rate are shockingly misguided.

Yes, about a quarter million to a half million people die from the flu globally every year. COVID, OTOH, has already killed almost 700,000 in less than half a year and there are still some countries where it's only barely gotten started.

I would barely call a less then 1% death rate a pandemic.

The term "pandemic" describes the spread of a disease, not the mortality rate.

Question though. Should someone who knowingly has the regular flu who goes out to work be arrested?

COVID is considerably more dangerous than the flu by several measures. Comparing them in this fashion is faulty.

Leapers for instance wer to qourintine to protect the community. The community was not to quorintine to protect the community, lol.

Can leprosy be transmitted by asymptomatic carriers the way COVID can?

That is the basic attitude on the right, why stop living life? Life goes on, and must go on, regardless of what is occurring around us. Life itself is fatal.

And yet the right advocates arming one's self to the teeth in order to protect against all manner of violent threats no matter how remote the risk.

 

[loveofourlord]

Why should they endanger their chances of eternal paradise to protect the life of others?

Look at it from the theory of game perspective. If there is even a tiny chance of changing their fate after death from eternal happyness to eternal torture, they would be mad not to modify their behaviour according to that tiny chance.

well on the flipside, unless thats what you mean, how happy will god be fore those that unrepetently go around killing people due to some feelings that their rights superceded others right to live.

 

[loveofourlord]

Heads up to everyone else who gave me a reply, due to time constraints i have to randomly pick one or 2 posts to reply too otherwise i will literally be on my phone for hours. I have read all your replies though.

Here's all I'm saying, where does it end?

Yea, if we know wer sick, we should avoid people, rest and recover. However if we don't know and then spread it asymptomatic why should we be punished?

By this logic we should shut roads down because millions die of auto accidents every year.

People die of many different things and we don't shut down the world for those things.

Because with the virus it's literally everyones walking around with guns, some may go off randomly and have a chance to kill people, maybe you should put your guns on saftey, sure the saftey malfunctions once in a while, but having some chance the saftey will work is better then it never on. Covid is only just starting and over 1k people were dying last week a day, 900-1000 of which were probably easily preventable if people wore masks, and were not out having parties. The economy will be killed because people wanted to save the economy.

 

[loveofourlord]

I do believe people on the right and the left view life altogether differently.

The Hong Kong Flu in the late 60's was a huge deal...killing over 100,000 in the U.S. and over a million world-wide, but no one shut down commerce, or stopped their daily lives. They simply lived in the middle of a pandemic until a vaccine was developed.

That is the basic attitude on the right, why stop living life? Life goes on, and must go on, regardless of what is occurring around us. Life itself is fatal.

^^^ old newspaper clip...

Most republicans feel that life cant stop just because there's a risk of death as all of life is risk and is, ultimately, fatal.

This thought process is non-existant on the left... for some reason they feel certain they would live forever if they avoided any and all situations of risk, and the powers that be seem to use people's fear of death as a means to control the masses.

For whatever reason a mask has morphed into "control", and if your easily controlled, your wearing a mask and if not, you balk at the notion.

It's a lot like wearing a Nazi symbol on ones sleeve these days... some are ultimately proud of the symbol as it stands for the control they love, or it's the yellow star of David marking you out as an other...

I can't breathe in the stupid things...I have COPD and wearing them, especially in heat and humidity, makes me dizzy and feel faint. I have to take it down from my nose to keep from passing out in the street, not that our modern Nazis care.. when given a choice, I won't wear them for health reasons.

Here is thee thing, the right is killing both lives and the economy, so tell me how smart they are? As the pandemic gets worse, people are going to be less likly to go out, all the right has done is let more people die, without even acomplishing the thing they want. Look at their idiocy with schools, they are trying to demand all schools go back to live, guess what people are retiring, people are refusing to go back to school, and a couple weeks in and already signs of outbreaks in the schools that have opened up. So what the heck have they acomplished except cost themselves this years election? It will remain to be seen what happens over the next couple of months, but biden is currently leading in red states.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Here is thee thing, the right is killing both lives and the economy, so tell me how smart they are? As the pandemic gets worse, people are going to be less likly to go out, all the right has done is let more people die, without even acomplishing the thing they want. Look at their idiocy with schools, they are trying to demand all schools go back to live, guess what people are retiring, people are refusing to go back to school, and a couple weeks in and already signs of outbreaks in the schools that have opened up. So what the heck have they acomplished except cost themselves this years election? It will remain to be seen what happens over the next couple of months, but biden is currently leading in red states.

I disagree...

First, the mask prevents nothing.. nothing at all... you won't buy a mask that is even allowed to claim it will reduce your chances of anything at all, because you can't tell an outright lie when selling a product, nor can you make unproven medical claims.

That is the rights point. A mask is a virtue signal, and has no other use whatever. The left is simply addicted to virtue signaling.

And for me, it's more than inconvenient to pass out while grocery shopping and then have to be carted off via ambulance to the local ER....

 

[durangodawood]

I do believe people on the right and the left view life altogether differently....

This event reveals to me that they are perhaps closer than I thought.

Now I see "the right" really is ready to let others die to avoid a temporary inconvenience. I used to buy that they were generally "pro life".