White people are poor because of their culture

[ThatRobGuy]

Ryan never mentioned welfare abuse. Why have you inserted welfare abuse into the discussion?

Because Ryan mentioned a problem of culture...

A person with a legitimate medical condition preventing them from working, or a person who's on public assistance, and it fulfilling their obligations to receive that check isn't a culture problem.
(His vote in favor the largest medicaid increase in history should be a good indicator that he's not against people with legitimate reasons for not being able to work)

The majority of recipients that are abusing it is indicative of a culture problem.

...and as we've seen for inner city areas of major cities, that's where the welfare abuse concentration is the highest.

 

[Bedford]

Because Ryan mentioned a problem of culture...

A person with a legitimate medical condition preventing them from working, or a person who's on public assistance, and it fulfilling their obligations to receive that check isn't a culture problem.
(His vote in favor the largest medicaid increase in history should be a good indicator that he's not against people with legitimate reasons for not being able to work)

The majority of recipients that are abusing it is indicative of a culture problem.

...and as we've seen for inner city areas of major cities, that's where the welfare abuse concentration is the highest.

Looks like you are thinking that them inner-city folk are not thinking about working or learning, or learning to work, or working to learn, but are smart enough to cheat the system. But they aren't black people, right?

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Poor white mountain folk, on the other hand, are just more spread out and it's hard to navigate to the, shall we say, "hollers" (in contrast to "inner city") to find out whether welfare is being abused there?

To a degree, yes...that's probably the primary reason.

If you're trying to solve a problem (or make people aware of the problem), doesn't it make sense to address the areas where you'll make the biggest impact on in terms of the bottom line?

For example, if there were 2 departments within your company that were hemorrhaging money due to employees not following the rules (to the tune of $30k per person). One department made up 40% of the total and was all in one location...the other department made up 60% of the total, but was spread out in 150 locations nationwide...and your company is in some dicey financial shape and you want to make an immediate impact, where would you choose to start the investigation process?

 

[Veritas]

I find the OP of little worth and certainly irrelevant.

 

[Bedford]

I find the OP of little worth and certainly irrelevant.

Must not be able to pin this one to Obama.

LOL

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Looks like you are thinking that them inner-city folk are not thinking about working or learning, or learning to work, or working to learn, but are smart enough to cheat the system. But they aren't black people, right?

You can try twisting my words all you like...

I've post the data from 2 major cities to support my statements thus far in this thread

If you have a problem with the data or what the data represents, take it up with the authors of the two things I linked earlier.

Also, I think you're putting words in my mouth...I never mentioned anything about some "master plan" type scheme to cheat the system. The problem is that the rules aren't being enforced. Sitting at home, collecting, then simply not doing what you're asked to do isn't exactly a scam that takes a lot of smarts to pull off.

 

[Bedford]

You can try twisting my words all you like...

I've post the data from 2 major cities to support my statements thus far in this thread

If you have a problem with the data or what the data represents, take it up with the authors of the two things I linked earlier.

This thread is not about welfare abuse.

Please start your own thread. I would like to post a current event where a couple with millions, and a yacht, cheated the welfare system for $160,000 before going into hiding.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

This thread is not about welfare abuse.

Please start your own thread. I would like to post a current event where a couple with millions, and a yacht, cheated the welfare system for $160,000 before going into hiding.

It's very relevant...if the topic is "culture of not working", collecting a welfare check, then not doing what you're asked (job searching, community service, training), is indicative of a "culture of not working"

 

[Bedford]

It's very relevant...if the topic is "culture of not working", collecting a welfare check, then not doing what you're asked (job searching, community service, training), is indicative of a "culture of not working"

How do you know the white mountain folk are not job searching, doing community service or in some kind of training? After all, the topic is about the poor white mountain folk. As long as your data does not try to post information about them inner-city folk, I have no issue.

 

[MikeCarra]

Your post has no facts to support your opinion and is most appropritately characterized as a partisan, left-wing diatribe, AKA, leftwing bluster with no point.

You're right. Words have no meaning other than the perfect literal terms.

No metaphors, no "coded language" is ever used in politics.

And we all ride unicorns.

This is the problem. Your default setting, along with too many other left-wingers in this country, is to assume the comment is covert language about race.

Well, of course since he reference Murray right at the beginning you'll forgive me for this. Again, perhaps Paul Ryan had no earthly idea who Murray was.

Your approach, along with too many other people, is why we can't have an intelligent dialogue on this issue.

Well, to be fair Obama has NEVER uttered anything about turning America into a socialist country...but you hear all the time from the Right how he's preaching socialism pure and simple.

So please don't lay it all on the Left.

You, along with too many other people, are too busy resorting to your default settting of "race," a complete red herring to the issue, to actually discuss the issue.

Charles Murray.

Unadulterated irrationality!

Are you denying that Paul Ryan referenced Charles Murray in prefacing his comments????

You should really listen to the audio.

Charles Murray.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

82.7% of Detroit is black.

There is a reason why people would think you were describing blacks, and it has to do with percentages, not race.

Detroit (city) QuickFacts from the US Census Bureau

Sad that you would accuse somebody of racism based on your statistics describing 8 out of 10 people in Detroit being black





statistics are based on people, not statistics.

I lived in Detroit. I was a part of those statistics. And I am not black.

If the statistics showed that, say welfare abuse, was rampant in Detroit, would you then assume that black people were committing the abuse?

You are correct, statistics are based on people, but NOT on their skin color. So when I say I'm referring to Detroit when I talk about statistics, I mean that I am referring to Detroit and not black people.

Inner city ≠ black people.

 

[TerranceL]

And director Spike Lee needs to shut up about the "gentrification" of his Brooklyn neighborhood. If it means more people moving in who are vigilant and observant about what is going on in the streets and who, when they see things happen, they are ready and willing to cooperate with police and tell what they know (versus black neighborhoods where the idiotic "no snitching" mentality tends to reign supreme, even when it's a black cop doing the investigation), than that is a GOOD thing. If "gentrification" means people moving in who are focused on living a clean life, following the laws and working an honest job for what they have or want to acquire, rather than people who'd rather spend their time sitting around collecting welfare or selling drugs, shooting up the neighborhood, driving around blasting their rap music with the bass turned up so that entire buildings are shaking and making life miserable for the people around them, that is a GOOD thing.

Yes back when it was whites whining about blacks moving into their neighborhoods it was called racism.

I must have missed all the people calling Lee a racist.

 

[NotreDame]

You should really listen to the audio.

Charles Murray.

You're right. Words have no meaning other than the perfect literal terms. metaphors, no "coded language" is ever used in politics.

Nice strawman argument. The problem is your default setting is to presume words do not have their perfect literal meaning and "coded language" and "metaphors" are employed instead.

And we all ride unicorns.

Given the non-sense you have espoused in this thread, anything is now possible. Be sure to shoe your unicorn properly for the bump road of irrational reasoning you travel down.

 

[MikeCarra]

Nice strawman argument.

Technically speaking this is NOT a strawman argument. But you should know that.

The problem is your default setting is to presume words do not have their perfect literal meaning and "coded language" and "metaphors" are employed instead.

Well when Paul Ryan cited CHARLES MURRAY he did kind of tip his hand.

But then, again, I will accept that Paul Ryan could have been totally ignorant of the "Bell Curve" controversy. It would be extremely poor form for a public speaker to be so ill-informed, but perhaps that is what is at play here.

So Paul Ryan is either wholly uninformed about the topics he cites or he's playing dog-whistle politics.

Given the non-sense you have espoused in this thread, anything is now possible. Be sure to shoe your unicorn properly for the bump road of irrational reasoning you travel down.

Thank you.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

How do you know the white mountain folk are not job searching, doing community service or in some kind of training?

After all, the topic is about the poor white mountain folk.

Let's be honest here...the threads about Paul Ryan's comment. It was just a test to see if those of us who supported Ryan's comment would speak about it in the same way if the topic was about white people in particular. (Which I have spoken about it the same way)

As long as your data does not try to post information about them inner-city folk, I have no issue.

Why do you keep posting "them inner-city folk"? An attempt to make people sound like a southern racists perhaps?

 

[stamperben]

Let's be honest here...the threads about Paul Ryan's comment. It was just a test to see if those of us who supported Ryan's comment would speak about it in the same way if the topic was about white people in particular. (Which I have spoken about it the same way)



Why do you keep posting "them inner-city folk"? An attempt to make people sound like a southern racists perhaps?

Why do the innercity poor (and we all know that is a black demographic) tend to vote overwhelmingly D and the southern poor whites vote overwhelmingly R?

 

[OGM]

Why do the innercity poor (and we all know that is a black demographic) tend to vote overwhelmingly D and the southern poor whites vote overwhelmingly R?

It used to be the opposite,,,

 

[OGM]

It used to be the opposite,,,

There is a currently active thread on this forum about this.

 

[KarateCowboy]

Where did I do that Terry? I suppose I'm just tired of reading the same DC stat over and over again. You actually hear very little about poor whites and drug use and manufacture by whites. Why is that? Why didn't Ryan include them in his statement? Is it because they vote for his ilk already and he dare not offend them?

It may be useful to go back and reread what he said. He mentioned inner city poverty, without talking about any racial specifics. I was raised in Wisconsin, where Ryan is from. Most expropriation recipients in Wisconsin are in towns.

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[KarateCowboy]

For liberals racism isn't a way of life like it is for Conservatives for whom it is second nature.

That's why it is still "novel" to us!

The Democratic party platform officially promotes racist quotas and racial profiling, so racism is a mainstream tenet for liberals. Obama, his wife, his contemporaries, Eric Holder, are all very public about their racism. Also, herd minded collectivism is the mo of the left, which is a mentality prone to racism.

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