White Extinction Anxiety

[Ringo84]

I think I've said this before, but it bears repeating: immigrants are not the cause or the source of our problems. We need to stop scapegoating immigrants for bad birth rates and whatever else and treat people with the human dignity and respect they deserve.
Ringo

 

[Serbian_W0lf]

White people is being punished for all the sins we commited against other races.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Why not? Donald threw away that much with a single tax cut.

And you think that's a good thing?

 

[Ana the Ist]

"Seem to be" calling for something and actually doing it are two different things. I said that people seeking asylum, because they're fleeing violence, should probably get it.

The vast majority of those coming here don't qualify. I understand that they come from violent places...but running from gang members because your sister cheated on one isn't exactly what we give asylum for.

Law with no compassion is not law worth having. The "crime" of crossing the border illegally is not something that strikes me as egregious enough to justify ripping children away from their parents and locking them in concentration camps.

Lol what concentration camps??

You mean stuff like this?

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/06/18/us/photo-migrant-child-cage-trnd/index.html

OK, then put your money where your mouth is. I propose that we spend money to help our poor and that we also send money and aid to central American countries to help them overcome their problems.

Pretty sure we already do both...but if you're willing to take measures to make sure tax money doesn't end up in the hands of illegals, and spent towards those two things instead, I'm all for it.

At the end of the day, that's what "zero tolerance" immigration policies miss: that there are reasons why people risk so much to cross our border.

They know there's a guy like you willing to give them free stuff.

Rather than trying to "punish" them with onerous laws, we should address the root causes of illegal immigration, protect asylum seekers, and reform the immigration system so that it's easier for people who want citizenship to get it.

What's your position here...cuz you're flip flopping like a fish out of water.

Are we keeping the poor out? Or are we letting them in?

I don't say that we should "feed every beggar". But neither should we take an "America first" approach that ignores the poor, the oppressed, the sick the world over.
Ringo

We can't afford to help every poor person worldwide...as it is, we aren't doing a very good job with the ones here.

If you want to help them though...by all means, go help them. Use your money to do it though...stop volunteering mine.

 

[TLK Valentine]

And you think that's a good thing?

I'm not his base, so it doesn't matter what I think... it only matters what he can sell.

 

[Ana the Ist]

I'm not his base, so it doesn't matter what I think... it only matters what he can sell.

Sorry, I thought you were offering an opinion.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Sorry, I thought you were offering an opinion.

I am. My opinion is that it's amusing that the same people who gleefully hand over a trillion dollars with a single stroke of his pen are crying foul over another trillion allegedly being spent over the course of a decade... assuming the numbers actually add up.

 

[Ana the Ist]

I am. My opinion is that it's amusing that the same people who gleefully hand over a trillion dollars with a single stroke of his pen are crying foul over another trillion allegedly being spent over the course of a decade... assuming the numbers actually add up.

Yeah assuming...

I mean if basic common sense tells you there's a level of poverty here in the US where you get more from the public good than you give...

Then it's pretty hard to imagine that people who came here poorer than those people, with less education, and unable to speak the language are going to do better.

But seeing as how I didn't support Trump's tax cut, your comments don't really have anything to do with my posts.

 

[Albion]

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Buchanan has been a bag of hot air sense Nixon, he's all hype.

You are wrong about that, but I would point out that it wasn't Buchanan who said anything about some theory of an imaginary "White Extinction Anxiety," although the OP made it appear as that he had done so.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Yeah assuming...

I mean if basic common sense tells you there's a level of poverty here in the US where you get more from the public good than you give...

Then it's pretty hard to imagine that people who came here poorer than those people, with less education, and unable to speak the language are going to do better.

And they probably won't. But their children will...

Here's a story.. a couple of immigrants come over from a real ****hole country* and spend their lives working... learning maybe a couple of dozen words of English between the two of them their entire lives.

Their children do a little better -- they never graduate high school because they too had to work, but hey, at least they learned English.

Their children fare much better... one goes to college and becomes a professor, another joins the police academy and rises through the ranks to eventually retire as a captain.

The next generation after that one? Jackpot! In no small part because it includes me.

I believe that the term for this phenomenon is "The American Dream." Now, you tell me exactly when and how it stopped working. When did the "land of opportunity" run out?

*Italy, around 1900.

 

[Ana the Ist]

And they probably won't. But their children will...

Here's a story.. a couple of immigrants come over from a real ****hole country* and spend their lives working... learning maybe a couple of dozen words of English between the two of them their entire lives.

Their children do a little better -- they never graduate high school because they too had to work, but hey, at least they learned English.

Their children fare much better... one goes to college and becomes a professor, another joins the police academy and rises through the ranks to eventually retire as a captain.

The next generation after that one? Jackpot! In no small part because it includes me.

I believe that the term for this phenomenon is "The American Dream." Now, you tell me exactly when and how it stopped working. When did the "land of opportunity" run out?

*Italy, around 1900.

Oh great, I only have to support 3 generations before they can support me...

What's different from 1900??? Is that a serious question?

Were those original immigrants named something different? Or did they keep that overly long Italian name?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Oh great, I only have to support 3 generations before they can support me...

No, you just have to read. They're supporting themselves. Ain't nobody supporting you; get a job!

They did.

What's different from 1900??? Is that a serious question?

Yep. Make a point?

Were those original immigrants named something different? Or did they keep that overly long Italian name?

Only times their names changed was through marriage. Now, make a point?

 

[Ana the Ist]

No, you just have to read. They're supporting themselves. Ain't nobody supporting you; get a job!

They did.



Yep. Make a point?

Ok...

How about the fact that the welfare system that exists today wasn't even close to being formed in 1900? Disability? Forget it. Workmans comp? Nope. Social security, food stamps, free emergency care, ....even public education. I mean, I'm sure public schools existed by 1900...but I'd be really surprised if more than 10-15% of kids graduated from one by 1900.

What does that mean in practical terms? If those immigrants who came way back when didn't work....they starved....and likely died. If that happened, I doubt many shed a tear for them either.

Only times their names changed was through marriage. Now, make a point?

Just a question.

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

*Italy, around 1900.

Italy in 1900 was a perfectly civilized country.

 

[Redac]

Ok...

How about the fact that the welfare system that exists today wasn't even close to being formed in 1900? Disability? Forget it. Workmans comp? Nope. Social security, food stamps, free emergency care, ....even public education. I mean, I'm sure public schools existed by 1900...but I'd be really surprised if more than 10-15% of kids graduated from one by 1900.

To add on to this, the period of immigration often referenced in these arguments went from about 1880 to about 1920, so about 40 years total. After 1920 immigration was cut down pretty significantly because the country needed a long time to assimilate all those (primarily European) immigrants into the (then-primarily European) country. This is somewhat less than the 50+ years of sustained mass immigration we've had since 1965. The scale of immigration has also been much greater than it was from 1880-1920 in addition to being more sustained. The origin of immigration back then was, as I mentioned, primarily from Europe -- and like it or not, having a similar cultural and even racial background to the American population of the time made assimilation a much smoother process than it might otherwise have been.

There are a number of other things different now than back then too. For one, ease of travel and communication with one's home country and home culture has made the task of assimilation somewhat more difficult. There's the fact that before the immigration was pretty spread out between a number of different places, whereas now Latin America, and Mexico specifically, greatly outpace any other single country. There are also far fewer active efforts on the part of the United States these days to get people to assimilate.

People need to stop pretending that immigration now is just like it was a century ago. The circumstances are considerably different, and to pretend otherwise is to ignore reality.

 

[JIMINZ]

You are wrong about that, but I would point out that it wasn't Buchanan who said anything about some theory of an imaginary "White Extinction Anxiety," although the OP made it appear as that he had done so.

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It would appear as though our opinions are at odds with one another.

 

[JIMINZ]

To add on to this, the period of immigration often referenced in these arguments went from about 1880 to about 1920, so about 40 years total. After 1920 immigration was cut down pretty significantly because the country needed a long time to assimilate all those (primarily European) immigrants into the (then-primarily European) country. This is somewhat less than the 50+ years of sustained mass immigration we've had since 1965. The scale of immigration has also been much greater than it was from 1880-1920 in addition to being more sustained. The origin of immigration back then was, as I mentioned, primarily from Europe -- and like it or not, having a similar cultural and even racial background to the American population of the time made assimilation a much smoother process than it might otherwise have been.

There are a number of other things different now than back then too. For one, ease of travel and communication with one's home country and home culture has made the task of assimilation somewhat more difficult. There's the fact that before the immigration was pretty spread out between a number of different places, whereas now Latin America, and Mexico specifically, greatly outpace any other single country. There are also far fewer active efforts on the part of the United States these days to get people to assimilate.

People need to stop pretending that immigration now is just like it was a century ago. The circumstances are considerably different, and to pretend otherwise is to ignore reality.

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The biggest difference being, the overall number of Illegal Aliens, if that number could be stemmed, then the Legal Immigrants could be assimilated more easily.

Lumping everyone who crosses our border with the label of Immigrants is wrong, it gives a false picture of the situation.

If I was a person in South America going through legal channels to Legally Immigrate to the United States, and I found out that some Illegal has taken my place in the Quota then I would really be P-----!

 

[Redac]

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The biggest difference being, the overall number of Illegal Aliens, if that number could be stemmed, then the Legal Immigrants could be assimilated more easily.

Lumping everyone who crosses our border with the label of Immigrants is wrong, it gives a false picture of the situation.

If I was a person in South America going through legal channels to Legally Immigrate to the United States, and I found out that some Illegal has taken my place in the Quota then I would really be P-----!

Pretending that this is entirely an issue of illegal immigration also gives a false picture of the situation. Things might be slowed somewhat if illegal immigration weren't a major issue, but the problems of mass immigration remain even if they're all legal immigrants.

 

[JIMINZ]

Pretending that this is entirely an issue of illegal immigration also gives a false picture of the situation. Things might be slowed somewhat if illegal immigration weren't a major issue, but the problems of mass immigration remain even if they're all legal immigrants.

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There are quotas and programs to handle Legal Immigration, and their assimilation into the fabric of our Society, and nothing for Illegal Aliens, they come in and hide, they take advantage of every service they are able to.

The Programs we have are overtaxed because of the Illegals.

 

[Albion]

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It would appear as though our opinions are at odds with one another.

Yes, but that wasn't an opinion.

It was not Buchanan who was talking about any so-called White Extinction Anxiety. Thats a fact that any reader can verify from reading the material for himself.