White Extinction Anxiety

[Ringo84]

Our economy is struggling...barely treading water. The gap between rich and poor just grows greater...and the amount of debt that each individual holds, and we hold as a nation, grows larger.

Given those facts, maybe our new neighbors should stay in their own nations until we can fix some of the problems in ours.

Or maybe we can add people who are willing to work to our economy, which is a win-win: they win by getting the refuge they need and deserve, and we receive the economic boost that we need.

In case it's escaped the notice of many Americans, we're not the only country in the world with problems. The "America First" stuff is just selfishness, pure and simple.
Ringo

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

Do most people here feel it is racist wanting to maintain the ethnicity of a nation?

 

[Ringo84]

Yep.
Ringo

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

Yep.
Ringo

Would you say Japan then is a racist nation for wanting to remain Japanese?

 

[Shiloh Raven]

Do most people here feel it is racist wanting to maintain the ethnicity of a nation?

As a Native American, a direct descendant of the original people of this land, I actually don't have a problem with white people living here on my ancestral homeland. And if white people wanted to keep the ethnicity of their nation, then they should have stayed in Europe or they should not intermarried with Native Americans, black people, and Mexicans when they first arrived on this native land.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

As a Native American, a direct descendant of the original people of this land, I actually don't have a problem with white people living here on my ancestral homeland. And if white people wanted to keep the ethnicity of their nation, then they should have stayed in Europe or they should not intermarried with Native Americans, black people, and Mexicans when they first arrived on this native land.

Well the U.S has invited it's own changes and I think you're right to a certain degree, there doesn't seem to be any movement for keeping the U.S ethnically European. Not a movement that has any political clout at the moment anyway. Certain European countries do want their ethnicity to remain largely the same, Poland, Hungary and Austria. Are these countries immoral for doing so?

 

[Shiloh Raven]

Well the U.S has invited it's own changes and I think you're right to a certain degree, there doesn't seem to be any movement for keeping the U.S ethnically European. Not a movement that has any political clout at the moment anyway. Certain European countries do want their ethnicity to remain largely the same, Poland, Hungary and Austria. Are these countries immoral for doing so?

You know, you asked a good question and I've never thought of it before.

 

[Ringo84]

Would you say Japan then is a racist nation for wanting to remain Japanese?

1. Japan != America.
2. Yes.
3. Isn't racism a big problem in Japan?
Ringo

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

1. Japan != America.
2. Yes.
3. Isn't racism a big problem in Japan?
Ringo

To a certain degree there is racism in Japan. I think of that guy yelling "white Piggu go home." Though I don't know if I can fault the Japanese who are mainly located in their country for wanting to remain Japanese and limit Immigration. Wouldn't it be more racist to want the extinction of certain races and ethnic groups?

 

[Ringo84]

To a certain degree there is racism in Japan. I think of that guy yelling "white Piggu go home." Though I don't know if I can fault the Japanese who are mainly located in their country for wanting to remain Japanese and limit Immigration. Wouldn't it be more racist to want the extinction of certain races and ethnic groups?

It would be more racist to present those as the only two choices: either limit immigration or exterminate.

America is not one color or ethnicity. America is a melting-pot of a lot of different cultures and colors. If you can't handle that, well....leave.
Ringo

 

[TLK Valentine]

Do most people here feel it is racist wanting to maintain the ethnicity of a nation?

What makes the ethnicity of a nation worth maintaining?

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

It would be more racist to present those as the only two choices: either limit immigration or exterminate.

America is not one color or ethnicity. America is a melting-pot of a lot of different cultures and colors. If you can't handle that, well....leave.
Ringo

I agreed to that in Shiloh's post regarding the U.S. The U.S has openly invited immigrants from all around the world to settle, so it's not exactly the same situation as Europe or other places. As to the effectiveness of this melting point, that has yet to be seen whether integration will happen. Given how blacks and whites in the U.S keep to themselves and their own communities I have a hard time believing that the melting pot is all that effective. I see the same thing happening here in New Zealand mind you.

Also those aren't the only options, yet you were the one who first indicated wanting to maintain a nation's ethnicity is racist. You are suggesting that wanting to maintain ethnicity is racist, so what is not racist on this view? It would either be indifference or the eventual elimination of racial categories. The latter is certainty racist and something I don't think a lot of us actually want for any race (unless we're actual racists).

 

[Ringo84]

Not racist is accepting that many people of many different colors and cultures live here, and it doesn't matter whether they all "integrate" or not; it's cool and good to maintain your own identity. There's no "correct" identity for Americans.

At the very least, you are extremely limited in your worldview, since you seem to view this as a situation where we either have "indifference" or extermination. That's a false choice.
Ringo

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

What makes the ethnicity of a nation worth maintaining?

An interesting question. I would suppose what makes an ethnicity worth maintaining is that it's a unique expression of humanity. That goes for mixed race people as well or any new races that come about in the future. I suppose I like a world with English, Swedes, Han Chinese, Ethiopians, Egyptians and Maori as opposed to a world with none of these distinctions. This doesn't seem to me unreasonable.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

Not racist is accepting that many people of many different colors and cultures live here, and it doesn't matter whether they all "integrate" or not; it's cool and good to maintain your own identity. There's no "correct" identity for Americans.

At the very least, you are extremely limited in your worldview, since you seem to view this as a situation where we either have "indifference" or extermination. That's a false choice.
Ringo

I don't know about your claims regarding immigration. The racial rhetoric between whites and blacks in the U.S doesn't seem healthy for a society and we're already seeing dividing lines between Americans form that could be irreparable.

As to the binary option, there are more choices, those are just the ones I see you fitting. I would remind you, you were the one who called the Japanese racist for wanting to maintain their Japanese identity. I don't think that's inherently racist, i just think it's tribal.

Perhaps my view of the world is limited, though it's no more limited than yours.

 

[Ringo84]

I don't know about your claims regarding immigration. The racial rhetoric between whites and blacks in the U.S doesn't seem healthy for a society and we're already seeing dividing lines between Americans form that could be irreparable.

So your solution to this divide is to make them leave?

As to the binary option, there are more choices, those are just the ones I see you fitting. I would remind you, you were the one who called the Japanese racist for wanting to maintain their Japanese identity. I don't think that's inherently racist, i just think it's tribal.

Perhaps my view of the world is limited, though it's no more limited than yours.

When do you ever remember me advocating for "extermination"? That was your word; not mine.
Ringo

 

[TLK Valentine]

An interesting question. I would suppose what makes an ethnicity worth maintaining is that it's a unique expression of humanity. That goes for mixed race people as well or any new races that come about in the future. I suppose I like a world with English, Swedes, Han Chinese, Ethiopians, Egyptians and Maori as opposed to a world with none of these distinctions. This doesn't seem to me unreasonable.

No, it doesn't. But then again, a world where ethnicity is irrelevant because everyone has just kept sleeping with everyone until we're all the same color (to paraphrase Senator Bullworth) isn't such a bad thing either.

I'm not suggesting that we actively work towards one goal or the other... what say we just let the chips fall where they may?

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

So your solution to this divide is to make them leave?

I would leave people to their own devices. I'm not into forcing anyone to do anything. If Germany wants to invite millions of Muslims from the middle east to settle there, they can do so. I think it might be a bad idea, but they're free to do it. If Italy doesn't want to accept any more migrants, they're free to so, which I think is a good idea.

When do you ever remember me advocating for "extermination"? That was your word; not mine.
Ringo

Well what is it when you maintain that the Japanese wanting to remain Japanese is racist? What would you have them do that is not racist? Cease to be Japanese? You tell me.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

No, it doesn't. But then again, a world where ethnicity is irrelevant because everyone has just kept sleeping with everyone until we're all the same color (to paraphrase Senator Bullworth) isn't such a bad thing either.

I'm not suggesting that we actively work towards one goal or the other... what say we just let the chips fall where they may?

I think that such a world simply won't exist mind you. People tend to stick to their own ethnic communities. But I agree, let the chips fall where they may. Where we disagree might be in letting countries decide their ethnic futures.

 

[Ringo84]

I would leave people to their own devices. I'm not into forcing anyone to do anything. If Germany wants to invite millions of Muslims from the middle east to settle there, they can do so. I think it might be a bad idea, but they're free to do it. If Italy doesn't want to accept any more migrants, they're free to so, which I think is a good idea.

It might help to realize that whatever problems we have are not the fault of immigrants.

Well what is it when you maintain that the Japanese wanting to remain Japanese is racist? What would you have them do that is not racist? Cease to be Japanese? You tell me.

I would have them respect the fact that there are other cultures that exist in Japan that are just as worthy of respect and survival as Japanese culture.
Ringo