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What does Trump have to do with this?

Lol, I should have predicted that this would be your response. It's laid out for you in the post you just quoted. It's also tying back to the first post I wrote, which you snidely kept referring to as opinion when the only opinion in it was that Trump's reality show was tacky.

Your question is loaded & ironic, but to simplify things I'll just explain exactly what has been twice explained to you. Donald Trump pitched a season of his reality show that would have an all-white team playing against an all-black team. He specifically wanted the all-white team to be all-blond. When of course many white folks are not blond. I'm as white as mayonnaise but have got dark hair. The all-blond team idea was playing into the despicable "Master Race" ideology that folks with Aryan / Nordic features, blond hair, white skin are ideal. Donald Trump's eldest child isn't blond. Donald Jr has got the exact same coloring as the El Paso massacre shooter, whom you keep insisting isn't white. I doubt you'd take it as an opinion that Trump Jr is indeed a white man, that Sr is as well despite the orange hue, you'd call that a fact. You also keep insisting that the El massacre shooter's last name is Portuguese, even after a moderator was nice enough to correct you, give information. Even if you were somehow correct, it'd still be, as described, silly & disingenuous distraction. There are Filipino folks with Hispanic last names, white folks with Hispanic last names, etc. Many folks, Americans in particular, have last names that have gotten changed along the way, so they may or may not reflect their ancestral origins. This is where Trump is again relevant to your point. His ancestors changed their name to Americanize it. This isn't a thread to do a genealogical tree of the massacre shooter's family. It's to discuss his actions, the content of his character. Not his skin color, his last name.
 
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Donald Trump pitched a season of his reality show that would have an all-white team playing against an all-black team.
So this season of the Apprentice was a key ingredient in influencing the El Paso shooter?
 
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There is so many white "nationalist" (Supremacist) sites online now compared to ten years ago, forum after forum of plotting, discussing ways to mislead people into joining them, even as canny as putting a non-racial front up as a smokescreen to attract the "normies" (as they call non-racialists "whites") to their cause.

They need to be rooted out and exposed for what they are.
 
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Yes, it is German.

Like Christian August Crusius - Wikipedia
and Otto Crusius

or the owner of a German winery:
Dr. Crusius - GermanWineEstates - The Site for German Wine Lovers

His father's name is John Bryan Crusius. Not Juan.

And even if he was Hispanic, are you not aware that most Hispanics are descended from the Spaniards or the Portuguese?

Do you not know that Spaniards and Portuguese are white? Do you not know that that there are basically 3 races, possibly a fourth anthropologically of regarding the South Pacific? White even includes Jews, and Arabs.
While I see the whole human race as one, trying to deny that Patrick Crusius is not white is ridiculous.

Within the context of the erroneous claims made in other posts of this thread (not yours I'm quoting) about the perpetrator of the El Paso massacre, I find the philosophies of the German philosopher with the same surname who lived centuries ago to be rather ironic. Much of the work of Christian August Crusius is esoteric, mainly referenced in regards to his influence on and conflict with other far more prominent philosophers during the Age of Enlightenment, but I did study a bit of it in a class about Kant. IIRC, the philosopher Crusius argued that outside the realm of mathematics with its properties of certainty, human reason cannot reach any ultimate truth. That our notions of identity and contradiction are based on an inner criterion; that truth is essentially based on what is cogitable to us. He theorized that what cannot be thought of as false is therefore true. But he also argued that this principle is precarious. He believed a spirit who can neither err nor deceive originally implanted natural laws in us, but false principles are mixed in as well by the "father of lies." So with the lack of sure criteria for distinguishing an authentic origin from a spurious one, even our own cognition isn't reliable because we cannot ascertain between the spirit of truth and the work of the deceiver. So one can then choose to believe what he wants to believe despite facts to the contrary. Perhaps it's why humans are so malleable to misinformation, to controlling their perceptions based on chosen ideology and rejecting what should be self-evident if its in conflict with that ideology. I have no idea if Orwell ever read Crusius when writing about doublethink, about how even in math with indisputable answers people can be trained to ignore that and 2+2=5 can be accepted as fact. In our current era "Make Orwell Fiction Again" has been popularized because of the acceptance of patently false dogma and propaganda.

Last year the former chief security officer at Facebook joined the faculty of my school, after having been on the advisory board of our Cyber Policy program for years. He created a lab where amongst other things relating to cybersecurity and policy, they track the origins of trending misinformation, and how it's disseminated. One of my friends who is a part of it has had to put on a virtual hazmat suit and jump into the online cesspools of hate such as 8Chan, a forum which has been linked to three atrocities this year (it's currently, thankfully, offline), and other sites popular with those who embrace white nationalist ideology. He goes to the very sites the FBI does when investigating domestic terrorism threats. It's on those sites that misinformation about the El Paso shooter originated, such as him being Hispanic and the last name being of Portuguese descent. Posters on those sites have gone to feverish, elaborate extents to prove their entirely false assertions. You're right to have described it as ridiculous, disingenuous deflection, and silly. But, more than all that, I think it's about tribalism. From what my friend who was waded through it said, the main point the white nationalists are making is, he's not one of them. He's not truly white, therefore he's not really part of their tribe. He can be classified as an "other." Misinformation is sort of like a contagion, those infected with it can bring it with them and spread it around, sometimes with that express intent. The very ones who tend to guffaw about Russia's influence actually are prone to unknowingly reposting content generated by Russian troll farms, which also has a team to trawl through such sites hunting for material. The whole point of those farms is, more than anything, to cause divisiveness among Americans, to have us distracted from the massacre itself to be instead discussing conspiracies about the shooter (they also have generated a ton of tweets to distract from mass shootings to other types of violence or harm.) So that's how it got spread through Facebook, on Twitter, in the sections of Reddit dedicated to "The Donald," and now on CF. :(

It's dismaying how the shooter who, from the accounts given, grew up being nourished with love by a caring family, taught compassion, and the difference between right from wrong, can then commit himself to rejecting that and choosing hate. His mom had contacted the police weeks before the shooting to relay her concerns about him owning the semi-automatic rifle, so she was still an active presence in his life. I think the shooter having immersed himself in those cesspools of hate contributed to his heart and mind being infected with racist poison, to him believing the "father of lies" rather than the spirit of truth.
 
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Thank you for sharing. The amount of disinformation that is so readily consumed and spread by our citizens, is, IMO, the biggest threat to our democracy. It's really sad.

Posters on those sites have gone to feverish, elaborate extents to prove their entirely false assertions. You're right to have described it as ridiculous, disingenuous deflection, and silly. But, more than all that, I think it's about tribalism. From what my friend who was waded through it said, the main point the white nationalists are making is, he's not one of them. He's not truly white, therefore he's not really part of their tribe. He can be classified as an "other."
 
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Thank you for sharing. The amount of disinformation that is so readily consumed and spread by our citizens, is, IMO, the biggest threat to our democracy. It's really sad.

That's why we rely on journalists instead of just citizens. They're professionals at what they do and know how to be fair and balanced instead of biased.
 
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That's why we rely on journalists instead of just citizens. They're professionals at what they do and know how to be fair and balanced instead of biased.

That rules out most of them that claim to be journalists they don't know how to not be biased or they just reiterate something false they heard/seen elsewhere.
 
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Within the context of the erroneous claims made in other posts of this thread (not yours I'm quoting) about the perpetrator of the El Paso massacre, I find the philosophies of the German philosopher with the same surname who lived centuries ago to be rather ironic. Much of the work of Christian August Crusius is esoteric, mainly referenced in regards to his influence on and conflict with other far more prominent philosophers during the Age of Enlightenment, but I did study a bit of it in a class about Kant. IIRC, the philosopher Crusius argued that outside the realm of mathematics with its properties of certainty, human reason cannot reach any ultimate truth. That our notions of identity and contradiction are based on an inner criterion; that truth is essentially based on what is cogitable to us. He theorized that what cannot be thought of as false is therefore true. But he also argued that this principle is precarious. He believed a spirit who can neither err nor deceive originally implanted natural laws in us, but false principles are mixed in as well by the "father of lies." So with the lack of sure criteria for distinguishing an authentic origin from a spurious one, even our own cognition isn't reliable because we cannot ascertain between the spirit of truth and the work of the deceiver. So one can then choose to believe what he wants to believe despite facts to the contrary. Perhaps it's why humans are so malleable to misinformation, to controlling their perceptions based on chosen ideology and rejecting what should be self-evident if its in conflict with that ideology. I have no idea if Orwell ever read Crusius when writing about doublethink, about how even in math with indisputable answers people can be trained to ignore that and 2+2=5 can be accepted as fact. In our current era "Make Orwell Fiction Again" has been popularized because of the acceptance of patently false dogma and propaganda.

Last year the former chief security officer at Facebook joined the faculty of my school, after having been on the advisory board of our Cyber Policy program for years. He created a lab where amongst other things relating to cybersecurity and policy, they track the origins of trending misinformation, and how it's disseminated. One of my friends who is a part of it has had to put on a virtual hazmat suit and jump into the online cesspools of hate such as 8Chan, a forum which has been linked to three atrocities this year (it's currently, thankfully, offline), and other sites popular with those who embrace white nationalist ideology. He goes to the very sites the FBI does when investigating domestic terrorism threats. It's on those sites that misinformation about the El Paso shooter originated, such as him being Hispanic and the last name being of Portuguese descent. Posters on those sites have gone to feverish, elaborate extents to prove their entirely false assertions. You're right to have described it as ridiculous, disingenuous deflection, and silly. But, more than all that, I think it's about tribalism. From what my friend who was waded through it said, the main point the white nationalists are making is, he's not one of them. He's not truly white, therefore he's not really part of their tribe. He can be classified as an "other." Misinformation is sort of like a contagion, those infected with it can bring it with them and spread it around, sometimes with that express intent. The very ones who tend to guffaw about Russia's influence actually are prone to unknowingly reposting content generated by Russian troll farms, which also has a team to trawl through such sites hunting for material. The whole point of those farms is, more than anything, to cause divisiveness among Americans, to have us distracted from the massacre itself to be instead discussing conspiracies about the shooter (they also have generated a ton of tweets to distract from mass shootings to other types of violence or harm.) So that's how it got spread through Facebook, on Twitter, in the sections of Reddit dedicated to "The Donald," and now on CF. :(

It's dismaying how the shooter who, from the accounts given, grew up being nourished with love by a caring family, taught compassion, and the difference between right from wrong, can then commit himself to rejecting that and choosing hate. His mom had contacted the police weeks before the shooting to relay her concerns about him owning the semi-automatic rifle, so she was still an active presence in his life. I think the shooter having immersed himself in those cesspools of hate contributed to his heart and mind being infected with racist poison, to him believing the "father of lies" rather than the spirit of truth.

You sure have been missed something fierce around here! This is excellent!

It sure indeed is sad that the false claims about the El Paso shooter being white, his last name being of Portuguese descent that have been made right here in this thread trace back to sites popular with folks who embrace white nationalism. Unfortunately it's not at all surprising.
 
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Thank you for sharing. The amount of disinformation that is so readily consumed and spread by our citizens, is, IMO, the biggest threat to our democracy. It's really sad.

I think the word she used is spot on. Infected. Folks get infected with misinformation, spread it around. The more it goes around the harder it is to stop.
 
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That rules out most of them that claim to be journalists they don't know how to not be biased or they just reiterate something false they heard/seen elsewhere.

Agreed. I was being sarcastic. Most people know how I feel about the MSM and their obvious bias.
 
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That rules out most of them that claim to be journalists they don't know how to not be biased or they just reiterate something false they heard/seen elsewhere.

Well the gal who gave the information about the origins of the false claims about the El Paso shooter wasn't relying on journalists. She explained that. It's why the sarcastic post you replied to about journalists was kinda coming in from out of left field.


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She also didn't get it from the MSM. The false claims that the shooter is white, all that other nonsense, didn't come from the MSM or journalists. They're not at fault for that biased misinformation about the El Paso shooter.
 
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