Which "Christians" will not be saved?

[FreeGrace2]

I asked a very simple question:
"What must I do to be saved?

What say you?"

Put Gods' will before your own.

Oh, that's real helpful. Maybe you could actually include what "God's will" is in your answer. That would be clear. As it is, your answer is as vague as they come.

Others before self (just as one thief on the cross did thus obtaining salvation while the other didn't because he was all about self)

So, this is it? Putting others before self? There are many unbelievers who do that regularly. Yet, they are still going to hell.

What is obvious is that you have no idea what the gospel is, or how to be saved.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Useful for doctrine as a basis, not doctrine itself. Scripture is of God, doctrine is of man.

I see you love to add your own opinions and words to Scripture. Where did you earn that authority?

 

[FreeGrace2]

I said:
"What must I do to be saved?

What say you?"

No we need scripture.

OK. I get it. You have rejected Paul's words.

However, Scripture is made up of doctrine, rebuke, correction and instruction in righteousness.

We also need a way of life as first practised by the earliest Christians (the Way) before the religion was created as a means of control, emulating not the Kingdom of God but the same institutional thinking as the Pharisees/Sadducees

This doesn't make a bit of sense. Way too vague.

And if you think some "way of life" is the way to salvation, you are just kidding yourself.

But again, you have shown that you do not understand biblical salvation.

 

[BCsenior]

Could you help me by pointing to any who are caught up in the mistake of
works-justification? I think I could possibly help them, because too often
people argue when they should instead read more fully in scripture.

Could you help me by pointing to any who are caught up in the mistake of
denying that works-justification is part of salvation (i.e. proving salvation)?
I think I could possibly help them, because too often people argue
when they should instead read more fully in scripture.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Which Christians won’t be saved? The ones who do not love God and love others. The ones who are not born again, do not walk in the Spirit, and don’t abide in Christ.

 

[BCsenior]

Hebrews 7
New King James Version
25 Therefore He (Jesus) is also able to save to the uttermost
those who come to (Father) God through Him,
since He (Jesus) always lives to make intercession for them.

Okay Johnny comes to the Father through Jesus.
But, he strays, falls from the faith, is NOT faithful, becomes a habitual sinner, etc.
Is Jesus still able to save Johnny to the uttermost, if he continues in this way?
Doesn't it depend now on Johnny's free-will to choose between sin and obedience?
E.G. see my signature below ...

 

[eleos1954]

Okay Johnny comes to the Father through Jesus.
But, he strays, falls from the faith, is NOT faithful, becomes a habitual sinner, etc.
Is Jesus still able to save Johnny to the uttermost, if he continues in this way?
Doesn't it depend now on Johnny's free-will to choose between sin and obedience?
E.G. see my signature below ...

well ... if one has a pure heart ... won't they be saved?

If one has a pure heart ... they will be obedient.

Matthew 5:8
“Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.

 

[renniks]

Most of us who post here in this forum are aware by now that there are tremendously diverse ideas of what it takes to make it to Heaven and escape Hell.

We know from the words of the Lord, if nowhere else in the scriptures, that there are a great many who consider themselves saved and even call Jesus their Lord who will be in for a rather rude awakening when they meet Him face to face.

I sincerely hope that the gospel net is so large that anyone who even names the name of Christ in any way will be saved. I just don't see that as being the case from the scriptures.

I suppose most Christians will agree about the out and out cults likely being lost _ with the exception of those who are in those cults of course.

But what about the ones in the general population of Christendom?

Being as careful as we possibly can to not say that any particular group as a whole is not saved (that's against the forum rules) - and understanding that obviously none of us here will be the final judge of these things - what is your general opinion as to where the line is when it comes to this rather upsetting truth about there not being salvation for all who name the name of Christ?

I.e. - in your opinion - what particular doctrine or lack of doctrine would likely form that God given line of division?

if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

 

[timothyu]

Maybe you could actually include what "God's will" is in your answer. That would be clear. As it is, your answer is as vague as they come.

I answer that all through my posts. Selflessness over self.The whole concept of loving all as self as commanded by Jesus

 

[His student]

I present scripture.

Please do. I'm all ears.

What must the Philippian jailer do to be saved according to the scriptures.

Doctrine is of man.

Incorrect doctrine is surely from man.

Correct doctrine is from the scriptures.

If you say that you only need the scriptures and not doctrine - what exactly do you use the scriptures for - napkins?

 

[timothyu]

So, this is it? Putting others before self? There are many unbelievers who do that regularly. Yet, they are still going to hell.

None of those before Jesus had the Christian religion you rely on yet those of them that put the will of God ahead of their own will be saved.

What is obvious is that you have no idea what the gospel is, or how to be saved.

Sez you. Are you accusing me of not being 'Christian'. I speak what Jesus spoke.

 

[Halbhh]

Could you help me by pointing to any who are caught up in the mistake of
denying that works-justification is part of salvation (i.e. proving salvation)?
I think I could possibly help them, because too often people argue
when they should instead read more fully in scripture.

It's very often communication problems! People use the same words, but do not realize that others are having a somewhat different meaning for those very same words, and they end up misunderstanding each other, and don't even realize it for a while (if ever).

I try often to avoid that inevitable difficulty when I notice there is some ongoing beginning already of argument, by just quoting a full section of scripture that really helps, and then ideally I won't say too much (because that would distract and dilute the message).

Sometimes we can use a passage that includes some favorite verses of the people we are talking with, to help them listen.

The most wonderful passage for this for the dichotomy people fall under of Grace and Works is I think is Ephesians chapter 2, verses 1-10, because it includes the famous verse 8-9, but it also has verse 10. (sometimes it's best to just start at verse 8, cause you know they can barely listen to anyone! but you give them the full 8 through 10) It's one of the few places where Paul includes key parts together in one passage, instead of in separate chapters.

 

[timothyu]

I see you love to add your own opinions and words to Scripture. Where did you earn that authority?

I repeat what Jesus said.

 

[timothyu]

OK. I get it. You have rejected Paul's words.

However, Scripture is made up of doctrine, rebuke, correction and instruction in righteousness.

Jesus is my Messiah

No, scripture is not made up but used for those purposes. There is a difference.

 

[timothyu]

And if you think some "way of life" is the way to salvation, you are just kidding yourself.

Jesus taught us a way of life, loving neighbour as self, He did not create a religion.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Okay Johnny comes to the Father through Jesus.
But, he strays, falls from the faith, is NOT faithful, becomes a habitual sinner, etc.
Is Jesus still able to save Johnny to the uttermost, if he continues in this way?
Doesn't it depend now on Johnny's free-will to choose between sin and obedience?
E.G. see my signature below ...

Hence
“' THIS PEOPLE HONORS ME WITH THEIR LIPS, BUT THEIR HEART IS FAR AWAY FROM ME. ' BUT IN VAIN DO THEY WORSHIP ME, TEACHING AS DOCTRINES THE PRECEPTS OF MEN.'"”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭15:8-9‬ ‭NASB‬‬

 

[timothyu]

The ones who are not born again, do not walk in the Spirit, and don’t abide in Christ.

Are you able to describe what each means in layman's terms instead of religious speak?

 

[timothyu]

If one has a pure heart ... they will be obedient.

That means most ofthose we see at political rallies on tv will not be obedient as they are focused on the wrong kingdom so to speak, celebrating the ideals/ways of man over the opposing ways of God..

 

[BNR32FAN]

if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

“for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:10‬ ‭NASB‬‬

Does this mean simply professing by mouth results in salvation?

THIS PEOPLE HONORS ME WITH THEIR LIPS, BUT THEIR HEART IS FAR AWAY FROM ME. ' BUT IN VAIN DO THEY WORSHIP ME, TEACHING AS DOCTRINES THE PRECEPTS OF MEN

“"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7:21-23‬ ‭NASB‬‬

“Then they themselves also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not take care of You?' Then He will answer them, 'Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.' These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25:44-46‬ ‭NASB‬‬

“"I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit, He prunes it so that it may bear more fruit. You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it abides in the vine, so neither can you unless you abide in Me. I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned. If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. My Father is glorified by this, that you bear much fruit, and so prove to be My disciples. Just as the Father has loved Me, I have also loved you; abide in My love. If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love. These things I have spoken to you so that My joy may be in you, and that your joy may be made full. "This is My commandment, that you love one another, just as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends. You are My friends if you do what I command you. No longer do I call you slaves, for the slave does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all things that I have heard from My Father I have made known to you. You did not choose Me but I chose you, and appointed you that you would go and bear fruit, and that your fruit would remain, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name He may give to you. This I command you, that you love one another.”
‭‭John‬ ‭15:1-17‬ ‭NASB‬‬

 

[timothyu]

if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

The Adversary/demons knew that. What is their fate.