Which "Christians" will not be saved?

[BNR32FAN]

Are you able to describe what each means in layman's terms instead of religious speak?

Love God with all your heart, soul, and mind, and love each other as Jesus loves us. Here’s a few examples

“If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. My Father is glorified by this, that you bear much fruit, and so prove to be My disciples. Just as the Father has loved Me, I have also loved you; abide in My love. If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love. These things I have spoken to you so that My joy may be in you, and that your joy may be made full. "This is My commandment, that you love one another, just as I have loved you.”
‭‭John‬ ‭15:7-12‬ ‭NASB‬‬

“"But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne. All the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats; and He will put the sheep on His right, and the goats on the left. "Then the King will say to those on His right, 'Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in; naked, and you clothed Me; I was sick, and you visited Me; I was in prison, and you came to Me.' Then the righteous will answer Him, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry, and feed You, or thirsty, and give You something to drink? And when did we see You a stranger, and invite You in, or naked, and clothe You? When did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?' The King will answer and say to them, 'Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.' "Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels; for I was hungry, and you gave Me nothing to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me nothing to drink; I was a stranger, and you did not invite Me in; naked, and you did not clothe Me; sick, and in prison, and you did not visit Me.' Then they themselves also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not take care of You?' Then He will answer them, 'Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.' These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25:31-46‬ ‭NASB‬‬

What separated the sheep from the goats? Love for God and love for others

 

[renniks]

The Adversary/demons knew that. What is their fate.

Knowing is not the same as believing and confessing. Do demons praise God for being who he is?

 

[timothyu]

Love God with all your heart, soul, and mind, and love each other as Jesus loves us. Here’s a few examples

I agree. So why do so many interpret being born again as some form of prosperity rather than a change to servitude, walking in the spirit as some sort of justification for every human idea they have, or abiding in Christ (Messiah) as promoting a man (by way of another) while ignoring His teaching and Gospel of the Kingdom?

 

[timothyu]

Knowing is not the same as believing and confessing. Do demons praise God for being who he is?

They believed who He was/is. Their problem was with the Kingdom, a place they would not be allowed to be or function, just as neither will man who remains rebellious to the will of God. That is why they, both rebellious spirit and man, continually conspire to misdirect people/Christians in another direction, successfully for the most part so it seems as the alternating ways to man of the Kingdom are rarely mentioned. Love is mentioned while servitude is ignored. Simple effective misdirection.

 

[renniks]

They believed who He was/is. Their problem was with the Kingdom, a place they would not be allowed to be or function, just as neither will man who remains rebellious to the will of God. That is why they, both rebellious spirit and man, continually conspire to misdirect people/Christians in another direction, successfully for the most part so it seems as the alternating ways to man of the Kingdom are rarely mentioned. Love is mentioned while servitude is ignored. Simple effective misdirection.

At any rate the verse is referring to humans, if we truly believe in our heart that God raised Christ from the dead, and confess with our mouths, we will be saved.. . And yes if we truly believe, it will result in fruit, but that is another topic.

 

[timothyu]

. . And yes if we truly believe, it will result in fruit, but that is another topic.

Exactly, it's not a simple as folks would make out. There is choice and change involved and division/contrast between the Kingdom and the world of man. The non-humans may wish we serve only one (the world) but neither can humans (as you say) serve both.

 

[FreeGrace2]

I answer that all through my posts. Selflessness over self.The whole concept of loving all as self as commanded by Jesus

OK, provide just the single most clear verse that "selflessness over self" results in salvation.

 

[FreeGrace2]

I said:
"What is obvious is that you have no idea what the gospel is, or how to be saved."

Sez you.

I proved that from the Bible.

Are you accusing me of not being 'Christian'. I speak what Jesus spoke.

I am accusing you, from your own posts, that you don't understand how to be saved.

Maybe you used to believe what the Bible says. In that case, you received eternal life, and are saved, even though thoroughly confused.

But at this point in time, you are not even close to what the Bible says about salvation.

 

[FreeGrace2]

I said:
"I see you love to add your own opinions and words to Scripture. Where did you earn that authority?"

I repeat what Jesus said.

Without understanding anything of what you post. And you DID add words that Jesus didn't say.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Jesus taught us a way of life, loving neighbour as self, He did not create a religion.

But not for salvation. That's where you are way off track. I've given enough verses, so that there is no excuse for ignorance.

 

[timothyu]

OK, provide just the single most clear verse that "selflessness over self" results in salvation.

Mark 12:31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

 

[timothyu]

I proved that from the Bible.

You proved the words and teachings of Jesus wrong?

 

[timothyu]

I am accusing you, from your own posts, that you don't understand how to be saved.

I go by the Gospel of the Kingdom. What is yours? You are free to believe what you want however.

But at this point in time, you are not even close to what the Bible says about salvation.

Again I refer you to Jesus' Gospel of the Kingdom.

 

[timothyu]

Without understanding anything of what you post. And you DID add words that Jesus didn't say.

My posts surround the words and teachings of Jesus, no one else and no religion. I focus on the Kingdom, not the doctrines or religion of man.

 

[timothyu]

But not for salvation.

Sorry... explain please. Is not the Kingdom our salvation? Where would we be now without it?

 

[eleos1954]

Okay Johnny comes to the Father through Jesus.
But, he strays, falls from the faith, is NOT faithful, becomes a habitual sinner, etc.
Is Jesus still able to save Johnny to the uttermost, if he continues in this way?
Doesn't it depend now on Johnny's free-will to choose between sin and obedience?
E.G. see my signature below ...

well ... I referenced this verse as well

1 Kings 8:39

Then hear in heaven your dwelling place and forgive and act and render to each whose heart you know, according to all his ways (for you, you only, know the hearts of all the children of mankind),

there are good ways and bad ways ... and He will judge accordingly to what is in their heart ... that only He knows.

We don't know what is in peoples heart ... the Lord does. Nor are we to judge others.

If Johnny asks for forgiveness and repents, yes He will be forgiven.

Matthew 18

21 Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother who sins against me? Up to seven times?”

22 Jesus answered, “I tell you, not just seven times, but seventy-seven times!

What is the point that the Lord will no longer forgive a person? How many times can a person be forgiven?
Do you know?

Romans 9

15For He says to Moses:

“I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,

and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”

16So then, it does not depend on man’s desire or effort, but on God’s mercy. 17For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: “I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display My power in you, and that My name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” 18Therefore God has mercy on whom He wants to have mercy, and He hardens whom He wants to harden.

Was the thief on the cross saved?

 

[eleos1954]

That means most ofthose we see at political rallies on tv will not be obedient as they are focused on the wrong kingdom so to speak, celebrating the ideals/ways of man over the opposing ways of God..

Pray for them

 

[BCsenior]

If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus
and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead,
you will be saved.

This is like all of the other NT verses regarding ...
the result of INITIALLY believing to God's satisfaction!

My focus, however, is on keeping BACs saved
because of all of the many dire warnings regarding ...
the possibility of losing salvation.

And some of the best are right here ... enjoy ...
Some of the best NT verses threatening loss of salvation

 

[BNR32FAN]

I agree. So why do so many interpret being born again as some form of prosperity rather than a change to servitude, walking in the spirit as some sort of justification for every human idea they have, or abiding in Christ (Messiah) as promoting a man (by way of another) while ignoring His teaching and Gospel of the Kingdom?

Well I don’t think there’s any single answer to that question. Are the reformed theologians responsible? Is the Roman Catholic Church responsible? Are we each responsible for our own understanding? Or perhaps some of us prefer the scriptures to be interpreted in a way that best suits our lifestyle? I certainly can’t answer that question. One thing I do know is that God can touch the heart of anyone in any denomination and open their heart to Him.

 

[timothyu]

One thing I do know is that God can touch the heart of anyone in any denomination and open their heart to Him.

Yes, God has a way of bypassing man's religions.