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Which Abominations are OK?

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That’s a non sequitur.

"'China is to blame because the culture where people eat bats and snakes and dogs and things like that, these viruses are transmitted from the animal to the people and that’s why China has been the source of a lot of these viruses like SARS, like MERS, the swine flu and now the coronavirus,' he said. 'I think they have a fundamental problem and I don’t object to geographically identifying where it is coming from.'"
Fact-check: Is Chinese culture to blame for the coronavirus?
 
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"'China is to blame because the culture where people eat bats and snakes and dogs and things like that, these viruses are transmitted from the animal to the people and that’s why China has been the source of a lot of these viruses like SARS, like MERS, the swine flu and now the coronavirus,' he said. 'I think they have a fundamental problem and I don’t object to geographically identifying where it is coming from.'"
Fact-check: Is Chinese culture to blame for the coronavirus?
Interesting. But it’s not the topic of the thread.
 
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"“Chinese as a whole do not have wildlife eating habit,” Li said in an email. “It is the eating habit of a small number of people, just like a small number of people in the U.S. dare to eat rattlesnakes or the like. ... The eating habit is not Chinese and not traditional.”

Even considering the small population that may consume these animals, Adam Kamradt-Scott, an associate professor of global health security at the University of Sydney in Australia, said “The consumption of exotic meats is not, in itself, the problem.”

“The issue is instead the level and extent of the human-animal interface that wet markets permit,” he said in an email. “Having said this, we have yet to identify the host animal for the COVID-19 virus. ... It has also not been verified whether the COVID-19 virus infected humans at the wet market in Wuhan, only that some of the first cases to be identified had a history of having visited the wet market.”
Fact-check: Is Chinese culture to blame for the coronavirus?

To be be clear, this is all up for debate, but I would put my money on what the Bible confirms...some animals are unclean and not fit to eat, healthwise.
 
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The subject of abominable animals has been a large part of the discussion.
I see. Have you found in scripture where anyone was destroyed for eating these abominable animals?
 
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But if I return from the SHAMBLES with Turkey-bacon, and others feel it has been sacrificed to idols...

Oh, never mind, today grocery stores don't sell things that have been sacrificed to idols anyway.
Halal meat is widely available. Halal meat is sacrificed to an idol.
 
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Leviticus 20

1And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,..

23 And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore
I abhorred them.

Jesus Christ the same yesterday,
and to day, and for ever.
Very interesting verse

God hated, and kicked the nations out, for doing the things he commanded the Israelites not to do, yet he revealed his commandments to Israel and no other nation.
 
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Are you suggesting that abominations only apply to Jews?

By the way, the ambiguous word "Jew" wasn't created until about 400 years ago.
I'm telling you that after the rebellion at Babel, when God split mankind into the original 70 nations, the Law of Moses was given only to Israel. The remaining nations, the Gentiles, continued under the rules that governed mankind from Adam through Noah.

So did those rules demand a kosher diet? No, because Noah was told by God Himself that he could eat anything that moves.

So the relevant question for me is this: being a Gentile and thus under Noah's dietary rules, must I now follow Moses' dietary rules since I'm a Christian? And Paul's letter to the Galatian church says that I don't. And the Council of Jerusalem says that I don't. And those, being scripture, they outweigh you.
 
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Are you suggesting that all of the abominations listed in Leviticus are OK?
No, homosexuality is condemned in the New Testament and the other moral laws are confirmed in the NT also. Things like what you eat or wear are not important under the New Covenant.
 
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How do we know which abominations are OK with YHWH, and which ones he finds abominable?

For example:

Leviticus 11:12 King James Version (KJV)

12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.


Eating shrimp is an abomination according to Leviticus.

Leviticus 18:22 King James Version (KJV)
22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

So is homosexuality according to Leviticus.

How do we know where to draw the line?

Fundamentally our questions according to what degree we are aware or even wether we are aware are based on the dual reality of our existence. It is no different in form to a tree that represents a dual reality, it permeates our/the physical/matter and spiritual/conscious reality of everything.

The law is spiritual, so there is always a connection between the law and the image of who we consciously are.

The line begins and ends with a cross.
 
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Humans are allowed to eat everything on earth. This is about authority. Through the food laws, God indicates that humans need to exercise their authority with responsibility. It is thus a responsibility not to eat something not traditionally a practice, especially after humans are hit by virus such as SARS and now the covid-19. Irresponsible behavior may lead to disastrous consequences.
 
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So which abominations are OK with YHWH?
If you are filled with His Holy Spirit, you will know. It is written in our hearts.
Be blessed and stay healthy.
 
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How do we know where to draw the line?
you can start by not using the KJV to draw your conclusions. these are not the same words.

I thought you were a CLV person anyway, why the switch? Let's see how they put it

Leviticus 11:12 (CLV)
All that has no fins or scales in the waters, it is an abomination to you.

Leviticus 18:22 (CLV)
With a male you shall not lie as if going to bed with a woman. This is an abhorrence.

I think I get it now... this is a strawman.
 
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I'm telling you that after the rebellion at Babel, when God split mankind into the original 70 nations, the Law of Moses was given only to Israel. The remaining nations, the Gentiles, continued under the rules that governed mankind from Adam through Noah.

So did those rules demand a kosher diet? No, because Noah was told by God Himself that he could eat anything that moves.

So the relevant question for me is this: being a Gentile and thus under Noah's dietary rules, must I now follow Moses' dietary rules since I'm a Christian? And Paul's letter to the Galatian church says that I don't. And the Council of Jerusalem says that I don't. And those, being scripture, they outweigh you.
The remaining nations were given up to worship other gods.
 
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Dkh587 said:
Very interesting verse
God hated, and kicked the nations out, for doing the things he commanded the Israelites not to do, yet he revealed his commandments to Israel and no other nation.
Romans 1:18-32
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Psalms 19:1-6
1 To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,
5 Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.
6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.
 
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How do we know which abominations are OK with YHWH, and which ones he finds abominable?

For example:

Leviticus 11:12 King James Version (KJV)

12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.


Eating shrimp is an abomination according to Leviticus.

Leviticus 18:22 King James Version (KJV)
22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

So is homosexuality according to Leviticus.

How do we know where to draw the line?

It it's an abomination we would be wise to stay clear from it ... abomination is never used in a positive sense.
 
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you can start by not using the KJV to draw your conclusions.

That might be a good idea.

these are not the same words.

I thought you were a CLV person anyway, why the switch? Let's see how they put it

Let's do that.

Leviticus 11:12 (CLV)
All that has no fins or scales in the waters, it is an abomination to you.

abom·i·na·tion | \ ə-ˌbä-mə-ˈnā-shən
\
Definition of abomination
1 : something regarded with disgust or hatred : something abominable considered war an abomination
2 : extreme disgust and hatred : loathing a crime regarded with abomination

Leviticus 18:22 (CLV)
With a male you shall not lie as if going to bed with a woman. This is an abhorrence.

ab·hor·rence | \ əb-ˈhȯr-ən(t)s
, -ˈhär-, ab- \
Definition of abhorrence
1a : the act or state of abhorring or despising something or someone a crime regarded with abhorrence
b : a feeling of strong repugnance or disgust : loathing an abhorrence of war
2 : something regarded as repugnant or disgusting Slavery is an abhorrence.

I think I get it now... this is a strawman.

I see. So since you think you get it, on post #93; perhaps you can explain the fine points to the rest of us. Apparently, all the Kings horses, and all the Kings men, couldn't figure out the difference.
 
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If you are filled with His Holy Spirit, you will know. It is written in our hearts.
Be blessed and stay healthy.

The Ruach Ha'Kodesh tells me that none of them are OK with YHWH; and it just so happens to agree with the Torah,
 
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It it's an abomination we would be wise to stay clear from it ... abomination is never used in a positive sense.

This seems like good advice.
 
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