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Where was the Sabbath Abolished?

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And the "way " of the Spirit is Not the same as the letter. Hence why the verse stated, that we are to walk according to the Way of the Spirit, and Not the letter...

Letter kill, but Spirit gives life. Two different ways ( or law), ie old and new.
Jesus explains what this means warning us not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments as it will affect our status in heaven- least in heaven Mat 5:19-30 which I don’t believe that means one will be there. Jesus teaches when we keep our rules/traditions over the commandments of God again quoting from the unit of Ten is like the blind leading the blind and both teacher and student end up in a ditch (off the narrow path) Mat 15 If you feel His teachings/warnings don’t apply to you for some reason thats a choice one can make, but seems like a bad idea if we are to be followers of Christ who kept all of the commandments and tells us to as well. My faith is in Jesus that He will lead us on the narrow path back to reconciliation to Him Rev 22:14
 
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hi, if you read those verses you quoted above, you'll see that is not about "literal letters" but ''spiritual, living letters." eg, verse 2, states that 'we' are the letters or epistle written by the Apostles and be seen and read by All men...verse 3, a letter not written in ink but "Spirit of the living God"...

so, deeper meaning...
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There is no "deeper meaning" than a changed heart which causes all who know us to see a different person than we were before conversion. Before I was converted I was a foul mouthed alcoholic/drug addict who used the f-bomb constantly. After I was converted I was changed completely. I was no longer an alcoholic/addict nor did I swear constantly. It wasn't me who overcame those things as I was so psychologically addicted I would walk down the street. smell pot smoke on someone I passed, get the physical symptoms of being stoned, yet had no desire to get high or drunk. Tell me how that happens. That's a miracle worked by God in my life which everyone who knew me back then could see. I was His epistle with His law written in my heart.
 
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There is no verse in Sacred Scripture where Christians are instructed to keep the Saturday Sabbath.
There is no scripture where anyone is commanded to worship on Sunday.
 
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hi SB, this idea of the change of law in Hebrews 7 is referring to the Priesthood only is absolutely wrong and show lack of understanding. this is the interpretation by @Studyman which you and others are uphold not Bible.

The priests (Levitical priesthood) are the ones who acts on behalf of the people and God when it comes to perform sacrifices and offerings whether it regards to SIN, thanksgiving etc in OC. In regard to Sin, this to anyone who breaks Gods commandments including 10 commandments. So you can see the interlink between the role of the Priest and the law and commandments.

so, if the priesthood change (ie Levitical priesthood of OC) then also the law they administer ie OC law. we as Christians are under a different priesthood ie Melchizedek and different law ie NC law.
And yet you never answered SB's points. Ins tead you went to other letters in the Bible to try to prove your point. When in fact Hebrews tells us what changed.
Who is our High Priest now? Hebrews 4:15 Heb 7:28 What law needed to change in order to have Jesus as our High Priest so we go directly to Him for forgiveness of sin 1 John 1:9 instead of an animal sacrifice to a human priest for sin. This is what Hebrews 7 spells out and shows what law that was changed, the priesthood and animal sacrifice's which was a placeholder until the Seed would come as it always pointed to Jesus Christ Hebrews 10:1-22 as the blood of animals was never perfect for the cleanings of sins, but the blood of Christ is perfect to cleanse us of sin and all unrighteousness when we repent confess and turn to Him for forgiveness and sanctification. What did not change is what sin is, the transgression of God’s law, the Ten Commandments Romans 7:7 Mat 5:19-30. Hope this helps.
Good post friend.
Back down the rabbit hole.
And yet when confronted you posted a link and did not actually address Sb's post. You did not adress the points she shared within the passages cited.
The context in chapters 7-10 tell us explicitly what changed, Verse 12, 13 and 14 of chapter 7 tell us that the law changed which told us what tribe the priesthood came from.



Since the priesthood is not to be from the Levites here on earth but our Lord from heaven, all the laws that pertained to the priesthood and their ministry changed or transferred to Christ. Jesus being the High Priest and we His royal priesthood through and in Him. In this change also is a change in how we are to receive the law. Whereas before the people receive the law, the word under the priesthood now we receive it through Christ by His Spirit, No longer by ink or tables of stone by a priest but the through fleshly tables of the heart through the Spirit, being begotten by the word of truth. We are the first fruit of Him having the engrafted word. As God had said He will put His Law in our hearts and in our minds. He will give us of His Spirit. This is brought out in chapter 8.




Chapter 9 begins by telling us the first covenant had ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary. All these laws, ordinances ended when the Levite's ministry ended through Christ, We are the Temple now the body of Christ, having entered in through the veil, that is to say His flesh. They, the ordinances of divine service were only imposed on them until the time of reformation. Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience, the inner man, the body of sin, who we are. For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience, the inner man, who we are, the body of sin from dead works, sin: acts the cause death to serve the living God?


As we go into 10 chapter 9 says leading into it that Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many. For the law pertaining to the ministry of the Levites could never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. For then would they not have ceased to be offered? Because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. The Body of sin being destroyed, hence there would be no more serving sin, right? But in those sacrifices, the Levite's ministry, there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. For it is and was not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. But we know that he was manifested to take away our sin. Wherefore Because of this, when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me. In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure. Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once, one sacrifice for sins for ever. For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. Whereof, this perfection in which he speakds the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before. This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
 
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And yet when confronted you posted a link and did not actually address Sb's post. You did not adress the points she shared within the passages cited.
The context in chapters 7-10 tell us explicitly what changed, Verse 12, 13 and 14 of chapter 7 tell us that the law changed which told us what tribe the priesthood came from.
There is nothing to address. There is no verse in Sacred Scripture that instructs Christians to follow the Mosaic Law, including the Saturday Sabbath in particular.

If there were such a verse, I'm sure you would have provided it by now.
 
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There is nothing to address. There is no verse in Sacred Scripture that instructs Christians to follow the Mosaic Law, including the Saturday Sabbath in particular.

If there were such a verse, I'm sure you would have provided it by now.
Sure there is and there could be no Greater Authority than the One who personally wrote and spoke His commandments... Exo 31:18 Exo 32:16

Exo 20:1 And God spoke all these words, saying:

8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Calling this unit of Ten My Commandments, not the law of Moses.

Exo 20:6 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

Calling the Sabbath My holy day, the holy day of the Lord Isa 58:16 that Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath i.e. the Sabbath of the Lord in His own Words. Mark 2:28 that He said is made for mankind Mark 2:27 Isa 56:6 Not what man assigned to God as holy when God called it common Exo 20:9, which is making an idol when exalting something above what God commands. Ezekiel 22:26

Jesus taught from these same Ten Commandments saying not to break or teach others to break the least of these and in doing so one will be in fear of judgement and sin Mat 5:19-30 James 2:10-12 Rom 7:7 because sin is the transgression of God's law Rom 7:7 1 John 3:4 and what our salvation is from sin Mat 1:21 not in sin.

I see a lot of people exalting their own opinions over the very words of God we are told to live by, something Jesus warns us about in clear, easy to understand teachings Mat 15:3-9 Mark 7:7-13.
 
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Sure there is and there could be no Greater Authority than the one who personally wrote and spoke His commandments... Exo 31:18 Exo 32:16

Exo 20:1 And God spoke all these words, saying:

8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Calling this unit of Ten My Commandments, not the law of Moses.

Exo 20:6 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

Calling the Sabbath My holy day, the holy day of the Lord Isa 58:16 that Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath i.e. the Sabbath of the Lord in His own Words. Mark 2:28 that He said is made for mankind Mark 2:27 Isa 56:6 Not what man assigned to God as holy when God called it common Exo 20:9, which is making an idol when exalting something above what God commands. Ezekiel 22:26

Jesus taught from these same Ten Commandments saying not to break or teach others to break the least of these and in doing so one will be in fear of judgement and sin Mat 5:19-30 James 2:10-12 Rom 7:7 because sin is the transgression of God's law Rom 7:7 1 John 3:4 and what our salvation is from sin Mat 1:21 not in sin.

I see a lot of people exalting their own opinions over the very words of God we are told to live by, something Jesus warns us about in clear, easy to understand teachings Mat 15:3-9 Mark 7:7-13.
Not one of those verses intructs Christians to keep the Saturday Sabbath.

You provided an essay with your personal interpretation of Sacred Scripture because there is no such verse, as you very well know.

If there were such a verse you would just post the text of the verse and spare us the essay.
 
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Not one of those verses intructs Christians to keep the Saturday Sabbath.

You provided an essay with your personal interpretation of Sacred Scripture because there is no such verse, as you very well know.

If there were such a verse you would just post the text of the verse and spare us the essay.
Israel is God's people both literally and metaphorically. Just like the New Covenant, where God writes His law in our hearts Heb 8:10 Jer 31:33 Exo 20:6 to the house of Israel i.e. God's people where there is no Jew or Gentile, just God's people grafted in through faith trusting the teachings of God and Jesus and following the example of Jesus and the apostles who all kept the Sabbath according to the commandment and keeping every Sabbath. Luke 23:56 Acts 18:4 Acts 13:42-44, Luke 4:16 etc. etc. etc. Jesus, the apostles and His faithful followers all kept the Sabbath and the commandments of God, His version, not what was changed by man. Thats a good group to belong to.
 
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Israel is God's people both literally and metaphorically. Just like the New Covenant, where God writes His law in our hearts Heb 8:10 Jer 31:33 Exo 20:6 to the house of Israel i.e. God's people where there is no Jew or Gentile, just God's people grafted in through faith trusting the teachings of God and Jesus and following the example of Jesus and the apostles who all kept the Sabbath according to the commandment and keeping every Sabbath. Luke 23:56 Acts 18:4 Acts 13:42-44, Luke 4:16 etc. etc. etc. Jesus, the apostles and His faithful followers all kept the Sabbath and the commandments of God, His version, not what was changed by man. Thats a good group to belong to.
Another essay.

I am still waiting for you to post the text of the verse in Sacred Scripture that instructs Christians to keep the Saturday Sabbath.

You know there is no such verse. That is why you keep posting essays instead of the text of the verse.
 
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Another essay.

I am still waiting for you to post the text of the verse in Sacred Scripture that instructs Christians to keep the Saturday Sabbath.

You know there is no such verse. That is why you keep posting essays instead of the text of the verse.
Not sure if you realize this, but the verses quoted was God speaking. There is no scripture that say the Sabbath commandment ended in all of scripture and now Sunday is God's new holy day and the new commandment. I would be more concerned finding this missing scripture where the Sabbath commandment has been abrogated by God. God does not change and if you want to put yourself outside the teachings of Jesus, the apostles and His faithful followers and follow our own traditions, we have free will, but Jesus warns us about it Mat 15:3-9 Mark 7:7-8 if we have faith in Jesus should we believe His very teachings and the example He left for us. Jesus never once changed the Sabbath in His teachings or actions, He kept the Sabbath faithfully Luke 4:16 Mat 15:10 and all of the commandments. We can never go wrong following Jesus.

Guess we will have to agree to disagree and all gets sorted out soon enough, but wish you well in seeking Truth to His Word.
 
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Not sure if you realize this, but the verses quoted was God speaking. There is no scripture that say the Sabbath commandment ended in all of scripture and now Sunday is God's new holy day and the new commandment. I would be more concerned finding this missing scripture where the Sabbath commandment has been abrogated by God. God does not change and if you want to put yourself outside the teachings of Jesus, the apostles and His faithful followers and follow our own traditions, we have free will, but Jesus warns us about it Mat 15:3-9 Mark 7:7-8 and not sure how one can profess faith of Jesus, but does not believe in His very teachings and followings given for our example.

Guess we will have to agree to disagree and all gets sorted out soon enough, but wish you well in seeking Truth to His Word.
No, it is you who is putting yourself outside the teachings of the Bible. Your tradition is your interpretation that Christians are bound to keep the Saturday Sabbath, but there is no verse in Sacred Scripture that instructs Christians to keep the Saturday Sabbath. If any such verse existed you would recite the text, instead of trying to bind others to your tradition. I accept the word of God and I reject your tradition.

I wish you well too.
 
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There is nothing to address. There is no verse in Sacred Scripture that instructs Christians to follow the Mosaic Law, including the Saturday Sabbath in particular.

If there were such a verse, I'm sure you would have provided it by now.
Arguing from silence as you do on the Sabbath is a very weak argument.
However where did Christianity come from? Who/what is a Christian?
 
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Arguing from silence as you do on the Sabbath is a very weak argument.
However where did Christianity come from? Who/what is a Christian?
So you admit that there is no verse in Sacred Scripture that instructs Christians to keep the Sabbath.

I am glad that we agree.
 
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So you admit that there is no verse in Sacred Scripture that instructs Christians to keep the Sabbath.

I am glad that we agree.
Nope. You didn't answer my questions.
 
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And yet you never answered SB's points. Ins tead you went to other letters in the Bible to try to prove your point. When in fact Hebrews tells us what changed.

Good post friend.

And yet when confronted you posted a link and did not actually address Sb's post. You did not adress the points she shared within the passages cited.
The context in chapters 7-10 tell us explicitly what changed, Verse 12, 13 and 14 of chapter 7 tell us that the law changed which told us what tribe the priesthood came from.



Since the priesthood is not to be from the Levites here on earth but our Lord from heaven, all the laws that pertained to the priesthood and their ministry changed or transferred to Christ. Jesus being the High Priest and we His royal priesthood through and in Him. In this change also is a change in how we are to receive the law. Whereas before the people receive the law, the word under the priesthood now we receive it through Christ by His Spirit, No longer by ink or tables of stone by a priest but the through fleshly tables of the heart through the Spirit, being begotten by the word of truth. We are the first fruit of Him having the engrafted word. As God had said He will put His Law in our hearts and in our minds. He will give us of His Spirit. This is brought out in chapter 8.




Chapter 9 begins by telling us the first covenant had ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary. All these laws, ordinances ended when the Levite's ministry ended through Christ, We are the Temple now the body of Christ, having entered in through the veil, that is to say His flesh. They, the ordinances of divine service were only imposed on them until the time of reformation. Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience, the inner man, the body of sin, who we are. For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience, the inner man, who we are, the body of sin from dead works, sin: acts the cause death to serve the living God?


As we go into 10 chapter 9 says leading into it that Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many. For the law pertaining to the ministry of the Levites could never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. For then would they not have ceased to be offered? Because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. The Body of sin being destroyed, hence there would be no more serving sin, right? But in those sacrifices, the Levite's ministry, there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. For it is and was not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. But we know that he was manifested to take away our sin. Wherefore Because of this, when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me. In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure. Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once, one sacrifice for sins for ever. For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. Whereof, this perfection in which he speakds the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before. This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Hi, if you and @SabbathBlessings read Hebrews in general then you'll see its talking about the entire old covenant Vs New covenant. the priest is not separate from the covenant they are to administer ie Levites priesthood is to administer and perform duties ie offer gifts and sacrifices for SiNS under old covenant Hebrews 5:1, and so is Christ under the New covenant. see also Hebrews 9:15

so, its Old Covenant Vs New Covenant
eg, Hebrews 3..Jesus (NC) greater than Moses (OC)
Hebrews 5...Jesus as High Priest (NC) Vs Aaron (OC)
Hebrews 6&7...high Priest order of Melchizedek (NC) vs HP Order of Aaron (OC)
etc....

so, the change of law in Hebrews 7 is refer to the old covenant law (law which God gave to the people ie Israel Hebrews 7:11) where the Priest are to offer sacrifices for their SINS by breaking the law given under this covenant. Hebrews 9:15..He has died to set them free from the SINS committed UNDER THE FIRST/OLD COVENANT...
 
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And you did not provide the verse that instructs Christians to keep the Saturday Sabbath because there is no such verse in the Bible.
Christians are called Christians because they are supposed to follow Christ. Christianity grew out of Judaism. It is constructed from the same Biblical principles. and Bible.

Therefore the only day anyone has been instructed by God on which to worship is the sevent6h day Sabbath.. There is no other day God has commanded us to worship;

You've already agreed that there is no command to worship on Sunday so I can see why you were so hesitant to answer my questions as they destroy your position as a Sunday keeper. The Catholic church openly admits they changed the day of worship from the seventh day to the first day so Sunday keepers have no scriptural foundation for worshiping on Sunday.
 
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Christians are called Christians because they are supposed to follow Christ. Christianity grew out of Judaism. It is constructed from the same Biblical principles. and Bible.
Christians follow Christ. Thank you for sharing this brilliant revelation with the world.
Therefore the only day anyone has been instructed by God on which to worship is the sevent6h day Sabbath.. There is no other day God has commanded us to worship;
Your problem is that God did not command Christians to keep the Saturday Sabbath.

Now, are you going to recite the verse that instructs Christians to keep the Saturday Sabbath?

Or are you going to write another essay and ask more questions that you already know the answer to?
You've already agreed that there is no command to worship on Sunday so I can see why you were so hesitant to answer my questions as they destroy your position as a Sunday keeper.
No, I agreed that there is no command to worship on Sunday that is set forth in Sacred Scripture. Sola Scriptura is your standard, and I am holding you to your own standard.

So if you don't mind, I would appreciate it if you could spare me the essay and recite the verse that instructs Christiants to keep the Saturday Sabbath.
The Catholic church openly admits they changed the day of worship from the seventh day to the first day so Sunday keepers have no scriptural foundation for worshiping on Sunday.

You may refer to the catechism on that point:

The Lord's day
1166 "By a tradition handed down from the apostles which took its origin from the very day of Christ's Resurrection, the Church celebrates the Paschal mystery every seventh day, which day is appropriately called the Lord's Day or Sunday." The day of Christ's Resurrection is both the first day of the week, the memorial of the first day of creation, and the "eighth day," on which Christ after his "rest" on the great sabbath inaugurates the "day that the Lord has made," the "day that knows no evening." The Lord's Supper is its center, for there the whole community of the faithful encounters the risen Lord who invites them to his banquet:​
The Lord's day, the day of Resurrection, the day of Christians, is our day. It is called the Lord's day because on it the Lord rose victorious to the Father. If pagans call it the "day of the sun," we willingly agree, for today the light of the world is raised, today is revealed the sun of justice with healing in his rays.​
 
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