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Where is your evidence creationists?

Discussion in 'Creation & Evolution' started by revo74, Dec 8, 2011.

  1. USincognito

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    This is kind of ironic as your "list of frauds" has been addressed at least once by Split Rock and a second time by myself, and yet you chose, this morning, to address neither of the refutations of your "claims", but instead to bleet, blather and change the subject.

    Let me guess. What you've been reading are Creationist straw men of 2LoT and entropy so of course it would seem that way. Have you given a moments notice to either the actual science behind 2LoT or entropy or rebuttals to Creationist straw man claims about them?

    Hank Hanegraff is an idiot. His understanding of physics and biology make my laymans understanding of them appear professorial. I mean the last quoted sentence alone is such a farce, any person with even a passing acquaintence with biology would laugh at his parody... except it's not a parody.

    Ooops, there you go with the "out of nothing" claim again, which just shows you don't know anything about the Big Bang Theory.

    Wow, I thought Hank Hanegraff didn't know what he was talking about.

    See the post I made about a half hour ago. God started everything in motion and physics led to chemistry, chemistry led to life, life evolved. Now what? And since you claim to be arguing against evolution or "Darwinism" or whatever, what does it matter how the universe came to be or how life started? Evoultion only addresses extant life and what happens to it.

    Can you actually argue against evolution or would you rather stick to your God of the Gaps tactic and myopically focus on Cosmology and abiogenesis and muck about with atheists?

    There are scientists who are Creationists, but not because of the science. There are scientists who are creationists and not only accept evolution, they argue in favor of it like Francis Collins, Kenneth Miller, Mary Schweitzer, Robert Bakker, and a bunch of people who post to Christianforums like sfs, KerrMetric, lucaspa, and several others I'm embarrassed for forgetting now.
     
  2. USincognito

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    There's so much to absolutely destroy in this post, but I don't have the time so let me focus on this moment of supreme irony.

    You post walls of quote mined text with citations like "B. Johnson, Scientist" and "W. A. Moneybags, 1923" and have the temerity to accuse others of taking something at face value just "because you read it in some book"? You even admit in that post that you haven't read a single source for those supposed quotes? That's some chutzpah hon. The lack of actual citations for the "quotes" is all the more ironic in that you didn't link to the Creationist quote mine site from whence they came.
     
  3. USincognito

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    Whenever someone starts a response with "So you're saying", you can be sure a straw man is to follow. That said, I think my point was perfectly clear. Darwin had the same flaws regarding race and sex that virtually every other European male had in the mid-19th Century. And, as I noted, his views were actually more enlightened (especially after his voyage on the Beagle) than many here in America, especially Southern Baptists.

    Nope, try again.

    This is a straw man of his infamous quote from Descent of Man right? I forget because it's just not worth committing to memory. He got so much right and has been evidenced and vindicated over the last 150 years, that worrying about quote mines that reflect mid-19th Century European thought isn't worth my brain power.

    Really? You think Adolph Hitler and Margaret Sanger were living at the same time as Charles Darwin? No wonder you're so confused.

    Ooops, you're succumbing to the Creationist straw man that evolution advocated "Social Darwinism", that Hitler based the Holocaust on evolution and that Margaret Sanger was a big fan of Darwin and Hitler. Unfortunately it doesn't matter if every single one of those things were true. They wouldn't effect evolutionary theory one iota. Nuclear bombs don't tarnish atomic theory in the least. Facts are facts. Misuse of them doesn't change the fact that they are so.

    That said, Social Darwinism was not a logical outcome of Darwin's theory of evolution because it didn't take into account the "natural" part of "natural selection. The Holocaust was the result of numerous factors including Germany's historic anti-Semitism dating back to Martin Luther and earlier. And Margaret Sanger and other Eugenicists were suggesting a form of selective breeding (note, again, the lack of "natural selection") that had been practiced with our fellow animals for 10,000+ years and by societies dating back at least as far as the Spartans 2000 years before Darwin.

    I'm guessing you didn't know all this stuff before jumping into the Crevo debate, did you?
     
  4. Split Rock

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    As were all your quotes (or at least the non-creationist ones) :doh:

    BINGO! My point exactly. Does this mean we won't see any more quote mines from you here?
     
  5. CabVet

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    He didn't quote mine, he copied a wall of text from a single creationist website.
     
  6. Astridhere

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  7. Astridhere

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    I'll tell you. Evolutionists believe some dead lifeless elements poofed into a living factory to arrive at one beautiful living cell all alone that 'learned' to multiply. There was no reason it just happened here on earth and nowhere else so far.

    That was of course until along came HGT with a large knife and cut LUCA out of the program resulting in many cells, little factories, poofing into existence all by themselves, but none ever since.

    These cells poofed into all life we see today, regardless of the obvious limits to variation that are demonstrated and observed today.


    It is a great story. Too bad it is ridiculous.

    I wonder if some little group of mankind on some Island somewhere will morph into an aquatic creature, to escape rising sea levels. Maybe they will learn to fly.......


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  8. Astridhere

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    You should not worry about gender oversights. You have 150 years of overturned rubbish to deal with.
     
  9. Fastener

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    Why do you think no one else knows what you know? why do companies spend billions of dollars all over the world on projects that are based on the ToE? why don't they ever listen to creationists? don't let this fact stop you from saying what you're saying but doesn't it even make you wonder why?

    The sad fact is, evolution works every time, it can be relied on to give the same answers and results time after time.
     
  10. Astridhere

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    You are spot on here.

    The nice gradual rise of the horse is now disproved.

    Many researchers contest the dino to bird theory on the back of new evidence.

    Turk the athlete is undergoing a pelvis reconstruction and total stature rethink at being a 5'4" waddler with a whackey pelvis.

    150 yerars or more and they still only have a theory in evolution and the only thing that is evolving around here.

    Now this lot have got boofheaded waddling apes, Erectus, with cranial vaults comparable to Rudolfensis at 525cc caring for large brained babies with weak and vulnerable neck support, and immature immune and digestive systems that go along with large brained human babies, caring for them and lighting fires. What a laugh!

    I wonder how these apes kept their young from eating their own poop, knew to feed regularly, and clothe thier infant from the cold after migration out of Africa.

    Answer: They didn't because they were just apes. Apes are born with ability to cling to their mother and can seek the nipple themselves, Humans do not, infants are totally reliant on parental intelligence to survive.

    Creationists can never have the last word with evos. They always have some algorithmic magic to present as evidence. They also have research that backs any view. In fact all they agree on is "It all evolved". The how, when, where and why remain up for grabs by any enterprising evo wanting glory. They can be wrong and won't get fired.

    Too bad algorithms do not over ride observation although they would like them to. Algorithms are great. They can prove Tellitubbies are an intermediate human with the right insertion values.
     
  11. Astridhere

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    I will repeat again. You lot went on about mankinds knucklewalking ancestry for over 150 years. You lot had the diagrams and fossils to support this assertion. Any creationist that argued against this irrefuteable 'evidence' would have been demeaned and called an ignorant idiot.

    There are many examples of single fossils falsifying 'irrefuteable evidence' that ends up in the great garbage bin of evolutionary delusions past.


    NOW...who are the idiots? Evolutionists....... Case closed.
     
  12. Fastener

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    You could well be right but how come no one else in the world of science and business believes you?
    everything you say could be 110% right but no one believes you or backs you with one penny, how come?
    what does the rest of the world know that you don't? do oil companies ask creation scientists to help them?
    do any businesses in the world ask creation scientists to help them with ANYTHING?
    if we didn't know better we would think that creation scientists are only there to fool creationists.

    It's strange when you think how much the creation scientists of AiG have discovered over the years they have existed,
    by the way what have they discovered? what have they contributed to the knowledge of mankind?
     
  13. Jazer

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    Evolution is based on the Last Universal ancestor. For example Bible Adam and Eve were common ancestors 6,000 years ago for the Hebrew/Jewish people. But Adam still had a belly button, at least according to Science Adam descended from people that came before him.
     
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  14. Jazer

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    Oil companies do not ask evolutionists for help. They hire geologists. The same geological science that give us OEC creationism. So in a way yes they do hire creationists and not evolutionists. You somehow managed to paint yourself into a corner on that one. It just so happens that the data they come up with is very useful for evolution. Esp when they are looking for off shore oil. So evos owe a debt of gratitude to oil companys for paying for research. Oil companies owe nothing to evolution theory.
     
  15. CabVet

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    Geological sciences did not gave you OEC. Creationists did.
     
  16. RickG

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    Perhaps you might actually learn something about what evolution is before carelessly and erroneously criticizing and dismissing it.
     
  17. RickG

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    That is true.

    That is not true.

    No they hire geologists.
     
  18. mdancin4theLord

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    WHAT WAS THE FIRST CAUSE?

    And don't tell me what I can do and what i can't do. If you do not want to address me then don't. I would like to know who here is a scientists...who has written books or has published anything regarding this topic? We have so many experts here. What are your qualifications?
     
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  19. CabVet

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    Oh, we are in a qualifications match now? Can't kill the message? Kill the messenger. Lead by example and show yours first.
     
  20. Fastener

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    I love guessing games, what are the rules? must you say the first thing that come into your mind?
    how will we know who wins? who decides?
     
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