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Where is your evidence creationists?

Discussion in 'Creation & Evolution' started by revo74, Dec 8, 2011.

  1. revo74

    revo74 Newbie

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    I am a deist of sort who support evolution in principle. I realize there is much detail that needs to discovered.

    If organisms do not evolve from other organisms than that means that they have to pop into existence. Creationists also argue that the evidence for evolution is weak or not there at all, but has anyone ever observed a living organism just pop into existence? No. The entire concept is rather silly, yet this this what creationists must believe if they do not accept evolution. If not then explain. If you do believe god makes organisms pop into existence then provide me with evidence.
     
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  2. CabVet

    CabVet Question everything

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    They don't need evidence, it is all in the bible.
     
  3. Flatland

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    Except half the garbage they spew isn't even in the bible. I'd say it's more like hallucinations and schizophrenia.
     
  4. CabVet

    CabVet Question everything

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    I've seen this quote in somebody's signature here and think it is absolutely correct:

    "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." Bertrand Russell
     
  5. someguy14

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    The proof is all around us, friend.
    When the doubters accept God, all doubts are deleted, friend.
     
  6. CabVet

    CabVet Question everything

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    See what I mean? They use "creation" itself as proof, but it can be perfectly well explained by a natural process.
     
  7. someguy14

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    And what a glorious process of God that is. :)
     
  8. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE Supporter

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    Take my Apple Challenge please, it's tailor-made for those who demand evidence for the creation week:
     
  9. FrenchyBearpaw

    FrenchyBearpaw Take time for granite.

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  10. revo74

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    There are billions of people on earth who believe in god and the theory of evolution. The notion that this has anything to do with doubters is simply baseless.

    Once again, if god makes all living things pop into existence then how come we have no evidence or eye witnesses of it? Notice that even Christian creationists who believe this don't ever mention it. You would think there would be reports all over the world of people walking around then 'poof' from nowhere springs a new organism, but it never happens.
     
  11. revo74

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    If I didn't have a video recorder to tape it or some other means of capturing the event, my friend would have to rely upon my personal testimony.

    And where are all the people claiming to have seen "anything" pop into existence ex nihilo?

    All you have is weak counter arguments against evolution, but no positive arguments, evidence or testimony that support your position.
     
  12. roach

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    um, ok, friend.

    This is what I'm gonna tell you if you ask me what proof there is that there is no god

    By your own standards, that should just about do 'er, huh?
     
  13. revo74

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    There seems to be confusion so let me clarify.

    I am not arguing against the existence of god. As a deist I believe that a creator is likely. I am arguing that evolution explains the diversity of life on earth and I am asking for evidence of creationism.

    What evidence do you have that supports creationism, other than your interpretation of scripture?

    If evolution is untrue as you suggest then god must be causing living things to pop into existence all the time, but where is the evidence for this? Where is the eye witness testimony for this?

    As for those who are atheists on these forums and I can present plenty of evidence that suggests design (intention) is a superior explanation to chance (non-intention) for the nature of the Universe, but that is a different discussion that shouldn't take place on this thread.
     
  14. CabVet

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    There is no evidence of creation other then every person's own spiritual experiences and interpretation of the Bible. Case closed.
     
  15. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE Supporter

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    He'll learn that -- soon enough.

    He just brushed off my Apple Challenge as "weak" -- and my Apple Challenge is meant to show conclusively that there is no physical evidence for creatio ex nihilo, God's method of choice for creating the universe.

    So by brushing it off, he is admitting that there must be evidence somewhere.

    I have a feeling he is confused, but doesn't know it.

    My guess is that he has a couple initials after his last name; probably got them from Harvard or Yale.
     
  16. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE Supporter

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    In this case, the universe.
     
  17. CabVet

    CabVet Question everything

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    It is called faith, and there is no reason for that other than personal spiritual experiences. The problem is that one of the pillars of every religion (and faith itself) is that you cannot question it (the absolute opposite of science). In other words, if you have doubts, your faith is not good enough or you are not religious enough. So you will never convince the really religious that they are wrong...
     
  18. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE Supporter

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    Then forget the universe -- use a marble.

    What is the difference between 'no evidence' and 'did not happen'?

    The marble.
     
  19. OllieFranz

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    The marble (or the Universe) is evidence for the fact that it exists. It is not, however,nin any way shape or form, evidence that it was created ex nihilo at any specific given point in history, especially if the claim is made that it was created with "embedded age."

    In fact, there is exactly the same evidence that the marble was created six millenia ago with "embedded age" as there is that it was created six seconds ago with an embedded age that includes false memories of possessing it before its creation.

    Science can only test for its so-called "embedded" age. Memories and history, to the extent that they can verify its prior existence usually tend to agree with Science's findings.

    Going beyond what science can tell us, in the case of the marble, although it is philosophically concievable that it was created ex nihilo recently, given that there is no authoritative claim neither that it was so created, nor dating its creation.

    In the case of the universe, there is one such claim, and it comes from a peculiar reading of Genesis.
     
  20. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE Supporter

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    Are you follow the conversation, OF; or are you just using my post to rant?

    Can you answer the question better than I did?

    What is the difference between no physical evidence and did not happen?

    I think it's a good question, myself.
     
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