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Where is the record of God creating Homosexuals in the Creation Account?

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David Brider

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Everyone isnt always "gay" or attracted to members of the same sex all of their lives - there are tons of instances where it happened later in life as stated by the people themselves and again if you read through the thread someone in my own household did the same. I know you wont agree but I asked them with my own mouth and I have been around many many gay people who i have also discussed it with.

Im willing to bet this known also but wishes to be denied because it flies in the face of the truth. God doesnt make people sin - they do it themselves.

I can only speak for myself, but I spent most of my life assuming that I was heterosexual, and dismissing very infrequent feelings of attraction to other guys as just passing phases. It was only last summer that I finally realised that actually, being attracted to mostly women but also occasionally to men means that basically I'm bisexual.

I've no doubt that I'm not alone in this sort of experience. But I'm not sure that it's attraction itself that changes over time (in fact, I'm pretty sure it's not) - rather, it's our experiences and the labels we're prepared to attach to ourselves that change.

David.
 
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The gay claim of "immutable orientation" doesn't hold up in a court of law either as we've already seen in the New Hampshire Task Force Procedings on Marriage.

1. Do you mean this? http://nhhousegop.com/Reports/legislative_reports.htm
2. Citation was improper
3. It was created by the New Hampshire House of Representatives.
4. The House is the Legislative Branch, not the Judicial branch.
5. The Legislature is not a "court of law".
6. Issues of marriage are decided by a court of equity, not a court of law.


So you really don't have to prove anything here -- the legal authorities recognize there is no scientifc etiology for sexual orientation.

1. Most recent authority is the CA Supreme Court, which holds the opposite.

The scientific authorities agree: "homosexuality" is a social/political construct, not a scientific one. It serves little if any useful purpose in scientific etiology, as Kinsey disapproved of the "name" in his research.

1. Kinsey is old research. More recent evidence is contra.

Hence the whole argument (about homosexual/heterosexual orientation) is a relic anyway, but you get to see who "lost their ability to think rationally" when you bring up "mutability." Just take a good look at who desperately clings to their myth because of their sin-darkened minds. The bible says a reprobate mind can not be resonable. This is a good example. Take note. ;)

1. Tu quoque is not an argument.
2. I'm not gay.
 
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I can only speak for myself, but I spent most of my life assuming that I was heterosexual, and dismissing very infrequent feelings of attraction to other guys as just passing phases. It was only last summer that I finally realised that actually, being attracted to mostly women but also occasionally to men means that basically I'm bisexual.

I've no doubt that I'm not alone in this sort of experience. But I'm not sure that it's attraction itself that changes over time (in fact, I'm pretty sure it's not) - rather, it's our experiences and the labels we're prepared to attach to ourselves that change.

David.
16 years of marriage and kids didn't change my Bi-sexuality.

So I know where you are coming from David.:hug:
 
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Deaf people are mute to the real points that were made, and major on the minors instead, looking for a way to change the subject.
I think the word you are trying to use is "MOOT"
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2.of little or no practical value or meaning; purely academic.
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8.an actor whose part is confined to dumb show.
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tulc(see if this works) :)
 
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Dear CaDan,
1. Most recent authority is the CA Supreme Court, which holds the opposite.

So it seems the legal authorities don’t recognize there is no scientific etiology for sexual orientation. My goodness we are in trouble, the legal authorities recognise neither the Biblical truth nor the scientific facts, but they are in line with gay and lesbian organisations.
I might add that the CA Supreme Court isn’t necessarily representative of all legal authorities or the majority.
 
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Let me just remind everyone that the OP is asking for the evidence of God creating homosexuals in the creation account, discussing any and every tangent possible to avoid the fact that there is no record is not a helpful tactic.
The creation record continues with Adam and Eve conceiving Cain. Even if the creation record were referring to Humankind, men and women rather than one man Adam and one woman Eve, there is still nothing to support any homosexuality, same-sex attraction or same sex union... in fact the opposite its fundamnetally excluded.

NB Celibacy is the alternative offered to faithful man/woman union, but celibacy isnt a union rather the absence of any union, so what Jesus NT teaching offers is faithful man/woman union or no union at all. So the arrguments referring to other possiblilties and celibacy are irrelevant distractions.
 
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Let me just remind everyone that the OP is asking for the evidence of God creating homosexuals in the creation account, discussing any and every tangent possible to avoid the fact that there is no record is not a helpful tactic.

The question has been answered ad nauseam. God creates everybody. Everybody includes homosexuals. Therefore God creates homosexuals.

If you genuinely believe that God didn't create homosexuals, then - for the third time of asking - who do you believe did create them?

David.
 
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I will say again.
God created Adam and Eve.
God created the tree of knowledge, knowing they would partake of the forbidden fruit .
Because of this creation sin came into the world.
Therefore God created Homosexuality.
 
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Dear tulc,
Soooo God didn't make all people? Only some of them? :scratch:
No God made all people, male and female, He didnt make homosexuals or heterosexuals either or though of the two concepts only heterosexual fits. The question is where in the creation record does it say homosexuals? God created man and woman (Adam and Eve) to be united and they were (Cain Gen 4) thats not homosexual.
 
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No God made all people, male and female,
Ahhh! I suspected that was the answer! :)

He didnt make homosexuals or heterosexuals either
That may be true, but of course that wasn't what the OP asked though was it? :scratch:

or though of the two concepts only heterosexual fits. The question is where in the creation record does it say homosexuals? God created man and woman (Adam and Eve) to be united and they were (Cain Gen 4) thats not homosexual.
Again that wasn't what the OP asked but thanks for expanding on your answer. :)
tulc(glad someone answered) ;)
 
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Dear David Brider,
The question has been answered ad nauseam. God creates everybody. Everybody includes homosexuals. Therefore God creates homosexuals. [/quote] No the question hasn’t been answered at all, the question is WHERE in the creation account is the record for homosexuals?
Yours is an assumption which is based on people being who they think they are, not what God created them as and for. That means God created people who call themselves homosexual, but He didn’t create homosexuals. And like you others keep saying as God created all people he must have created homosexuals, but the creation account tells you He didn’t, He created woman for man, so that they may be united, so that a man shall leave his father and mother and be united with his wife. That’s not homosexual is it? yes or no? Father and mother isn’t a same-sex couple nor is husband and wife.

If you genuinely believe that God didn't create homosexuals, then - for the third time of asking - who do you believe did create them?
They don’t exist as a creation. The creation account tells you they are a human idea and contrary to God’s purpose. Don’t ask me to justify your misunderstanding,


Let me just remind you that the OP is asking for the evidence of God creating homosexuals in the creation account, not who created them, if they don’t exist they weren’t created, the onus is on you to show how they exist when the creation account is about man and woman, not same-sex union. You got your idea from your own thinking and it’s the opposite to the Biblical account.
 
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Dear Melancholy,
I will say again.
God created Adam and Eve.
God created the tree of knowledge, knowing they would partake of the forbidden fruit .
Because of this creation sin came into the world.
Therefore God created Homosexuality.
Ah yes, helpful post :thumbsup: Ok, thats partly true except that all God created He saw was good, God may have created the tree of knowledge of good and evil, homosexuality is just one aspect of the knowledge of evil therefore, but God didnt create man and woman to know evil the knowledge of evil came with disobedience.
Helpful post nonetheless which further shows from the creation account that God certianly didnt create homosexuals!
 
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Oh Phinehas2 you can't have it both ways: homosexuals are either people or not. If they are people then their creation account is in Genesis along with everyone else's. If you deny that, then where did they come from, this group not made by God? :scratch:
tulc(still plugging away here) :sigh:
 
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