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God saw that it was good ...


Gen 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.


God introduces clean and unclean out of what he saw as good.


Gen 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.


Both clean and unclean are given for food.


Gen 9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.

God saw that it was good ... introduces clean and unclean out of what he saw as good ... but gives both clean and unclean for food ... then delcares a further extrapolation between clean and unclean, and the consequences of eating what he originally said was good.

Lev 11:41 And every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth shall be an abomination; it shall not be eaten.

Lev 11:42 Whatsoever goeth upon the belly, and whatsoever goeth upon all four, or whatsoever hath more feet among all creeping things that creep upon the earth, them ye shall not eat; for they are an abomination.

Lev 11:43 Ye shall not make yourselves abominable with any creeping thing that creepeth, neither shall ye make yourselves unclean with them, that ye should be defiled thereby.

Lev 11:44 For I am the LORD your God: ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy; for I am holy: neither shall ye defile yourselves with any manner of creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Lev 11:45 For I am the LORD that bringeth you up out of the land of Egypt, to be your God: ye shall therefore be holy, for I am holy.

Lev 11:46 This is the law of the beasts, and of the fowl, and of every living creature that moveth in the waters, and of every creature that creepeth upon the earth:

Lev 11:47 To make a difference between the unclean and the clean, and between the beast that may be eaten and the beast that may not be eaten.

Then Jesus comes along ...

Mat 15:11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

Why does this start out as good then finds its end in that it literally has nothing to do with it?
 

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God saw that it was good ...


Gen 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.


God introduces clean and unclean out of what he saw as good.


Gen 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.


Both clean and unclean are given for food.


Gen 9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.

God saw that it was good ... introduces clean and unclean out of what he saw as good ... but gives both clean and unclean for food ... then delcares a further extrapolation between clean and unclean, and the consequences of eating what he originally said was good.

Lev 11:41 And every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth shall be an abomination; it shall not be eaten.

Lev 11:42 Whatsoever goeth upon the belly, and whatsoever goeth upon all four, or whatsoever hath more feet among all creeping things that creep upon the earth, them ye shall not eat; for they are an abomination.

Lev 11:43 Ye shall not make yourselves abominable with any creeping thing that creepeth, neither shall ye make yourselves unclean with them, that ye should be defiled thereby.

Lev 11:44 For I am the LORD your God: ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy; for I am holy: neither shall ye defile yourselves with any manner of creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Lev 11:45 For I am the LORD that bringeth you up out of the land of Egypt, to be your God: ye shall therefore be holy, for I am holy.

Lev 11:46 This is the law of the beasts, and of the fowl, and of every living creature that moveth in the waters, and of every creature that creepeth upon the earth:

Lev 11:47 To make a difference between the unclean and the clean, and between the beast that may be eaten and the beast that may not be eaten.

Then Jesus comes along ...

Mat 15:11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

Why does this start out as good then finds its end in that it literally has nothing to do with it?
Mat 15 is not about food. Jesus used food as an illustration in the parable as He did a few times throughout the Bible, Jesus explained verbatim what He meant, but no one ever quotes this for some reason. The premise was eating with unwashed hands

Mat 15:1 Then the scribes and Pharisees who were from Jerusalem came to Jesus, saying, 2 “Why do Your disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread.”

3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father [a]or mother.’ Thus you have made the [b]commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:

8 ‘These people [c]draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”

10 When He had called the multitude to Himself, He said to them, “Hear and understand: 11 Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.”

12 Then His disciples came and said to Him, “Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this saying?”

13 But He answered and said, “Every plant which My heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted. 14 Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch.”

15 Then Peter answered and said to Him, “Explain this parable to us.”

16 So Jesus said, “Are you also still without understanding? 17 Do you not yet understand that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and is eliminated? 18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and they defile a man. 19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies. 20 These are the things which defile a man, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man.”

What defiles a man in sinning and keeping manmade traditions over obeying the commandments of God.

Peter knew this was not about eating unclean food when after the death of Christ some 30 years later still never eating unclean foods when God using another illistration not about food, but explained again what He meant

Acts 10:14 But Peter said, “Not so, Lord! For I have never eaten anything common or unclean.”

Why He shows us at His Second Coming He never changed His mind about eating uncleaned foods

Isa 66:17
“Those who sanctify themselves and purify themselves,
To go to the gardens
[a]After an idol in the midst,
Eating swine’s flesh and the abomination and the mouse,
Shall [b]be consumed together,” says the Lord.
 
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Why He shows us at His Second Coming He never changed His mind about eating uncleaned foods

And Noah? ... "Everything that lives and moves about will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything."

Peter had a mindset that needed to be broken ...
 
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And Noah? ... "Everything that lives and moves about will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything."

Peter had a mindset that needed to be broken ...
It doesn't say unclean foods. There are food if we eat that will kill us, so God never said anywhere in His Word we can eat unclean food, without taking it out of context. I will take Peter’s testimony over our manmade ones any day considering the warning Isa 66:17 It was eating something we weren’t supposed to that got us in the whole mess. Guess we will have to agree to disagree.
 
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It doesn't say unclean foods. There are food if we eat that will kill us, so God never said anywhere in His Word we can eat unclean food, without taking it out of context. I will take Peter’s testimony over our manmade ones any day considering the warning Isa 66:17 It was eating something we weren’t supposed to that got us in the whole mess. Guess we will have to agree to disagree.

Everything is everything though without taking it out of context ...

The garden scenario was meant to turn out as it did, just as (like his father) Jesus chose a devil, or a serpent in the path was one of two who had the wisdom to build the tabernacle ...
 
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Mat 15 is not about food. Jesus used food as an illustration in the parable as He did a few times throughout the Bible, Jesus explained verbatim what He meant, but no one ever quotes this for some reason. The premise was eating with unwashed hands

Mat 15:1 Then the scribes and Pharisees who were from Jerusalem came to Jesus, saying, 2 “Why do Your disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread.”

3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father [a]or mother.’ Thus you have made the [b]commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:

8 ‘These people [c]draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”

10 When He had called the multitude to Himself, He said to them, “Hear and understand: 11 Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.”

12 Then His disciples came and said to Him, “Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this saying?”

13 But He answered and said, “Every plant which My heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted. 14 Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch.”

15 Then Peter answered and said to Him, “Explain this parable to us.”

16 So Jesus said, “Are you also still without understanding? 17 Do you not yet understand that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and is eliminated? 18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and they defile a man. 19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies. 20 These are the things which defile a man, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man.”

What defiles a man in sinning and keeping manmade traditions over obeying the commandments of God.

Peter knew this was not about eating unclean food when after the death of Christ some 30 years later still never eating unclean foods when God using another illistration not about food, but explained again what He meant

Acts 10:14 But Peter said, “Not so, Lord! For I have never eaten anything common or unclean.”

Why He shows us at His Second Coming He never changed His mind about eating uncleaned foods

Isa 66:17
“Those who sanctify themselves and purify themselves,
To go to the gardens
[a]After an idol in the midst,
Eating swine’s flesh and the abomination and the mouse,
Shall [b]be consumed together,” says the Lord.
Two items in this post give a great deal of insight into your approach (and the SDA approach?) to successful Christian living.
  1. When Jesus said, "There is nothing that enters a man from outside which can defile him; but the things which come out of him, those are the things that defile a man (Mk 7:15)", it is true that he was referring to the residue on dirty hands that was the basis of the tradition He was pushing back against. But His statement was much broader than that. The subject of His sentence was, "nothing that enters a man from the outside". When His discples questioned Him about the scope of His statement, He said, "Are you thus without understanding also? Do you not perceive that whatever enters a man from outside cannot defile him, because it does not enter his heart but his stomach, and is eliminated, thus purifying all foods?" (Mk 7:18–19) This makes it clear that Jesus meant to include "food" in His original statement, not just dirt. And His point was clear that there is nothing you can put in your mouth that can defile you because sin and defilement originate in your heart. He made this crystal clear when He said, "What comes out of a man, that defiles a man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lewdness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within and defile a man." (Mk 7:20–23)

    But somehow you find a way to see the passage as upholding the law's prohibition of eating certain foods.

  2. Peter was rebuked whe he said, "Not so, Lord! For I have never eaten anything common or unclean." (Ac 10:14) Jesus told Him, "What God has cleansed you must not call common." (Ac 10:15) Even though this was a dream, Peter was clearly at odds with Jesus, and Jesus was not having any of this. When commanded to do something by the Lord, it is an oxymoron to say, "No, Lord". You are not following Him as Lord when you say, "no" to His command.

    But somehow you find a way to say Peter was correct in saying "no" to the Lord and see the passage as upholding the law's prohibition of eating certain foods.
 
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Two items in this post give a great deal of insight into your approach (and the SDA approach?) to successful Christian living.
  1. When Jesus said, "There is nothing that enters a man from outside which can defile him; but the things which come out of him, those are the things that defile a man (Mk 7:15)", it is true that he was referring to the residue on dirty hands that was the basis of the tradition He was pushing back against. But His statement was much broader than that. The subject of His sentence was, "nothing that enters a man from the outside". When His discples questioned Him about the scope of His statement, He said, "Are you thus without understanding also? Do you not perceive that whatever enters a man from outside cannot defile him, because it does not enter his heart but his stomach, and is eliminated, thus purifying all foods?" (Mk 7:18–19) This makes it clear that Jesus meant to include "food" in His original statement, not just dirt. And His point was clear that there is nothing you can put in your mouth that can defile you because sin and defilement originate in your heart. He made this crystal clear when He said, "What comes out of a man, that defiles a man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lewdness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within and defile a man." (Mk 7:20–23)
Jesus explained the parable, using food as only an illustration to show what defiles a man, which is sin. Mat 15:19-20 i.e. breaking God's law

Mat 15:15 Then Peter answered and said to Him, “Explain this parable to us.”

Peter knew it wasn't about food hence why 30 years later still never ate unclean food.
  1. Peter was rebuked whe he said, "Not so, Lord! For I have never eaten anything common or unclean." (Ac 10:14) Jesus told Him, "What God has cleansed you must not call common." (Ac 10:15) Even though this was a dream, Peter was clearly at odds with Jesus, and Jesus was not having any of this. When commanded to do something by the Lord, it is an oxymoron to say, "No, Lord". You are not following Him as Lord when you say, "no" to His command.

    But somehow you find a way to say Peter was correct in saying "no" to the Lord and see the passage as upholding the law's prohibition of eating certain foods.
This was a vision from God and nothing about food as the verses clearly explains, it was about people. Peter didn't even think it was about food, why he kept wondering what the vision meant

Acts 10:12 In it were all kinds of four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, creeping things, and birds of the air. 13 And a voice came to him, “Rise, Peter; kill and eat.”

14 But Peter said, “Not so, Lord! For I have never eaten anything common or unclean.”

15 And a voice spoke to him again the second time, “What God has [f]cleansed you must not call common.” 16 This was done three times. And the object was taken up into heaven again.

17 Now while Peter [g]wondered within himself what this vision which he had seen meant, behold, the men who had been sent from Cornelius had made inquiry for Simon’s house, and stood before the gate. 18 And they called and asked whether Simon, whose surname was Peter, was lodging there.

19 While Peter thought about the vision, the Spirit said to him, “Behold, three men are seeking you. 20 Arise therefore, go down and go with them, doubting nothing; for I have sent them.”

21 Then Peter went down to the men [h]who had been sent to him from Cornelius, and said, “Yes, I am he whom you seek. For what reason have you come?”

22 And they said, “Cornelius the centurion, a just man, one who fears God and has a good reputation among all the nation of the Jews, was divinely instructed by a holy angel to summon you to his house, and to hear words from you.” 23 Then he invited them in and lodged them.

On the next day Peter went away with them, and some brethren from Joppa accompanied him.

24 And the following day they entered Caesarea. Now Cornelius was waiting for them, and had called together his relatives and close friends. 25 As Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I myself am also a man.” 27 And as he talked with him, he went in and found many who had come together. 28 Then he said to them, “You know how unlawful it is for a Jewish man to keep company with or go to one of another nation. But God has shown me that I should not call any man common or unclean. 29 Therefore I came without objection as soon as I was sent for. I ask, then, for what reason have you sent for me?”

This was not about food and again the vision was explained, this was about the gospel going out to the gentiles.

Once God deems something an abomination like unclean food, it stays that way Isa 66:17,not something worth it for me, but we are given free will.
 
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God saw that it was good ...
Gen 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
God introduces clean and unclean out of what he saw as good.
Gen 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
Both clean and unclean are given for food.
Gen 9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.
God saw that it was good ... introduces clean and unclean out of what he saw as good ... but gives both clean and unclean for food ... then delcares a further extrapolation between clean and unclean, and the consequences of eating what he originally said was good.

Lev 11:41 And every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth shall be an abomination; it shall not be eaten.

Lev 11:42 Whatsoever goeth upon the belly, and whatsoever goeth upon all four, or whatsoever hath more feet among all creeping things that creep upon the earth, them ye shall not eat; for they are an abomination.

Lev 11:43 Ye shall not make yourselves abominable with any creeping thing that creepeth, neither shall ye make yourselves unclean with them, that ye should be defiled thereby.

Lev 11:44 For I am the LORD your God: ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy; for I am holy: neither shall ye defile yourselves with any manner of creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Lev 11:45 For I am the LORD that bringeth you up out of the land of Egypt, to be your God: ye shall therefore be holy, for I am holy.

Lev 11:46 This is the law of the beasts, and of the fowl, and of every living creature that moveth in the waters, and of every creature that creepeth upon the earth:

Lev 11:47 To make a difference between the unclean and the clean, and between the beast that may be eaten and the beast that may not be eaten.

Then Jesus comes along ...

Mat 15:11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
Why does this start out as good then finds its end in that it literally has nothing to do with it?
Those were the temporary defilement laws to teach the meaning of sin as spiritual defilement.
Much of Leviticus was temporary, ending with the NT.
 
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My aim for this was never debate even though eating of the tree God commanded not to was.

God starts out with one and all things are gathered again into one. Clean and unclean are just another picture of the dialectic process that began with the words let there be light.
 
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Those were the temporary defilement laws to teach the meaning of sin as spiritual defilement.
Much of Leviticus was temporary, ending with the NT.
My aim for this was never debate even though eating of the tree God commanded not to was.

God starts out with one and all things are gathered again into one. Clean and unclean are just another picture of the dialectic process that began with the words let there be light.

A harlot is one who offers mingled wine ... one who also (in one picture form) is drunk on the blood/life of the saints ... she's confusion, a city, a moutain etc (all views of the same truth, like a garment of linen and wool or a field sown with mingled seed) Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman. A soul that is not lost can not be gained again, though this is far reaching in scripture (and pictures are abundant throughout scripture in myriads of ways), it all starts in a garden, which is God's.
 
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Jesus explained the parable, using food as only an illustration to show what defiles a man, which is sin. Mat 15:19-20 i.e. breaking God's law

Mat 15:15 Then Peter answered and said to Him, “Explain this parable to us.”

Peter knew it wasn't about food hence why 30 years later still never ate unclean food.

This was a vision from God and nothing about food as the verses clearly explains, it was about people. Peter didn't even think it was about food, why he kept wondering what the vision meant

Acts 10:12 In it were all kinds of four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, creeping things, and birds of the air. 13 And a voice came to him, “Rise, Peter; kill and eat.”

14 But Peter said, “Not so, Lord! For I have never eaten anything common or unclean.”

15 And a voice spoke to him again the second time, “What God has [f]cleansed you must not call common.” 16 This was done three times. And the object was taken up into heaven again.

17 Now while Peter [g]wondered within himself what this vision which he had seen meant, behold, the men who had been sent from Cornelius had made inquiry for Simon’s house, and stood before the gate. 18 And they called and asked whether Simon, whose surname was Peter, was lodging there.

19 While Peter thought about the vision, the Spirit said to him, “Behold, three men are seeking you. 20 Arise therefore, go down and go with them, doubting nothing; for I have sent them.”

21 Then Peter went down to the men [h]who had been sent to him from Cornelius, and said, “Yes, I am he whom you seek. For what reason have you come?”

22 And they said, “Cornelius the centurion, a just man, one who fears God and has a good reputation among all the nation of the Jews, was divinely instructed by a holy angel to summon you to his house, and to hear words from you.” 23 Then he invited them in and lodged them.

On the next day Peter went away with them, and some brethren from Joppa accompanied him.

24 And the following day they entered Caesarea. Now Cornelius was waiting for them, and had called together his relatives and close friends. 25 As Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I myself am also a man.” 27 And as he talked with him, he went in and found many who had come together. 28 Then he said to them, “You know how unlawful it is for a Jewish man to keep company with or go to one of another nation. But God has shown me that I should not call any man common or unclean. 29 Therefore I came without objection as soon as I was sent for. I ask, then, for what reason have you sent for me?”

This was not about food and again the vision was explained, this was about the gospel going out to the gentiles.

Once God deems something an abomination like unclean food, it stays that way Isa 66:17,not something worth it for me, but we are given free will.
Jesus explained the parable, using food as only an illustration to show what defiles a man, which is sin. Mat 15:19-20 i.e. breaking God's law

Mat 15:15 Then Peter answered and said to Him, “Explain this parable to us.”

Peter knew it wasn't about food hence why 30 years later still never ate unclean food.

This was a vision from God and nothing about food as the verses clearly explains, it was about people. Peter didn't even think it was about food, why he kept wondering what the vision meant

Acts 10:12 In it were all kinds of four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, creeping things, and birds of the air. 13 And a voice came to him, “Rise, Peter; kill and eat.”

14 But Peter said, “Not so, Lord! For I have never eaten anything common or unclean.”

15 And a voice spoke to him again the second time, “What God has [f]cleansed you must not call common.” 16 This was done three times. And the object was taken up into heaven again.

17 Now while Peter [g]wondered within himself what this vision which he had seen meant, behold, the men who had been sent from Cornelius had made inquiry for Simon’s house, and stood before the gate. 18 And they called and asked whether Simon, whose surname was Peter, was lodging there.

19 While Peter thought about the vision, the Spirit said to him, “Behold, three men are seeking you. 20 Arise therefore, go down and go with them, doubting nothing; for I have sent them.”

21 Then Peter went down to the men [h]who had been sent to him from Cornelius, and said, “Yes, I am he whom you seek. For what reason have you come?”

22 And they said, “Cornelius the centurion, a just man, one who fears God and has a good reputation among all the nation of the Jews, was divinely instructed by a holy angel to summon you to his house, and to hear words from you.” 23 Then he invited them in and lodged them.

On the next day Peter went away with them, and some brethren from Joppa accompanied him.

24 And the following day they entered Caesarea. Now Cornelius was waiting for them, and had called together his relatives and close friends. 25 As Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I myself am also a man.” 27 And as he talked with him, he went in and found many who had come together. 28 Then he said to them, “You know how unlawful it is for a Jewish man to keep company with or go to one of another nation. But God has shown me that I should not call any man common or unclean. 29 Therefore I came without objection as soon as I was sent for. I ask, then, for what reason have you sent for me?”

This was not about food and again the vision was explained, this was about the gospel going out to the gentiles.

Once God deems something an abomination like unclean food, it stays that way Isa 66:17,not something worth it for me, but we are given free will.
In the first instance, it is clear that Jesus was teaching us that eating things does not defile us. In the second instance, it is clear that Jesus was telling us that the animals in the sheet were OK for Peter to eat (because He cleansed them). But, I would say that if you think eating certain things is a sin, then by all means don't eat them. Just be careful in your law-driven approach to Christian living that you don't turn away from the grace of Christ to a different gospel (Ga 1:6-7).
 
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In the first instance, it is clear that Jesus was teaching us that eating things does not defile us. In the second instance, it is clear that Jesus was telling us that the animals in the sheet were OK for Peter to eat (because He cleansed them). But, I would say that if you think eating certain things is a sin, then by all means don't eat them.
Both were clearly defined and both had nothing to do with food itself but only used as an illustration. God gave us plenty of clean foods to eat, not sure why anyone would want to eat foods He deemed an abomination that He appeared never to take back as shown at His Second Coming Isa 66:17,
Just be careful in your law-driven approach to Christian living that you don't turn away from the grace of Christ to a different gospel (Ga 1:6-7).
Paul can be tough to understand, but do you really believe God's personal Testimony Exo 31:18, written personally by the God of the Universe, His perfect law converting the soul Psa `19:7 that is in the Most Holy of His Temple as revealed in heaven Heb 8:1-5 Rev 11:19 is "another gospel".

I wouldn't call it law driven, to me its love driven 1 John 5:3 John 14:15 Exo 20:6 and how someone in Christ lives Rev 14:12 John 15:10 1 John 3:24 May 4:4
 
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My aim for this was never debate even though eating of the tree God commanded not to was.

God starts out with one and all things are gathered again into one. Clean and unclean are just another picture of the dialectic process that began with the words let there be light.

A harlot is one who offers mingled wine ... one who also (in one picture form) is drunk on the blood/life of the saints ... she's confusion, a city, a moutain etc (all views of the same truth, like a garment of linen and wool or a field sown with mingled seed) Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman. A soul that is not lost can not be gained again, though this is far reaching in scripture (and pictures are abundant throughout scripture in myriads of ways), it all starts in a garden, which is God's.

Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up,

And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all to Myself."


to be cast down 'star that fell from heaven' as in Adam in picture of the first born (natural) which relates to the perception by way of our flesh etc we find as with all things this phrase 'lifted up' having two meanings albeit one meaning in Truth

so we know when Jesus was lifted up as in caught between the two, its a casting down, but the image or serpent he became in picture is crucified ( put to death ) and so when the Truth is crucified in us we die but when the image is crucified we live as in drawn or gathered back ... understanding these are not separate issues seeing the way out is the way in and so to be lifted up is not separate from being raised up ...

could you please re-shuffle this with the two times Jesus lifted himself up ... the second time her accusers had gone ...
 
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Paul can be tough to understand,
Yes, it is well documented that some of the things Paul wrote are hard to understand.

14 Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless; 15 and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, 16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures. (2 Pe 3:14–16)​
but do you really believe God's personal Testimony Exo 31:18, written personally by the God of the Universe, His perfect law converting the soul Psa `19:7 that is in the Most Holy of His Temple as revealed in heaven Heb 8:1-5 Rev 11:19 is "another gospel".
Here is one:

21 For I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain. (Ga 2:21)​

What does it mean for a person to "set aside the grace of God"? What does it mean that righteousness does not come "through the law"? If righteousness were to come through the law, why would that mean "Christ died in vain"? How is setting aside the grace of God in favor of righteousness through the law and thereby making Christ's death a vain act not another gospel to be avoided?
 
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Yes, it is well documented that some of the things Paul wrote are hard to understand.

14 Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless; 15 and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, 16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures. (2 Pe 3:14–16)​

Here is one:

19 For I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain. (Ga 2:19–21)​

What does it mean for a person to "set aside the grace of God"? What does it mean that righteousness does not come "through the law"? If righteousness were to come through the law, why would that mean "Christ died in vain"? How is setting aside the grace of God in favor of righteousness through the law and thereby making Christ's death a vain act not another gospel to be avoided?
What law is Paul referring to in Galatians. Its in the same chapter you quoted but in verse 3. Not the same law he contrasted with Gal 2:3 and came to this conclusion 1 Cor 7:19. I beleive you might be missing the intent of this teaching by Paul and why what they were teaching was so dangerous. Paul is not teaching its okay to break God's law and dishonor Him Rom 2:21-23 and sin Rom 7:7 or be an enmity to God Rom 8:7-8. Paul can be hard to understand because if we do not have a good understanding of the different laws, there is a law that is perfect for converting our soul Psa 19:7 that is holy, just and good Rom 7:12 and another law that was added because of sin for breaking God's holy law, that was there as a witness against containing curses and blessing for breaking God's holy and eternal law Deut 31:24-26 Paul often will use the word law and if we are either not understanding the differences or not allowing the context to interpret itself, chances are we are confusing what is being discussed in its context. Something God blessed and is holy never becomes contrary and against or another gospel.
 
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Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up,

And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all to Myself."


to be cast down 'star that fell from heaven' as in Adam in picture of the first born (natural) which relates to the perception by way of our flesh etc we find as with all things this phrase 'lifted up' having two meanings albeit one meaning in Truth

so we know when Jesus was lifted up as in caught between the two, its a casting down, but the image or serpent he became in picture is crucified ( put to death ) and so when the Truth is crucified in us we die but when the image is crucified we live as in drawn or gathered back ... understanding these are not separate issues seeing the way out is the way in and so to be lifted up is not separate from being raised up ...

could you please re-shuffle this with the two times Jesus lifted himself up ... the second time her accusers had gone ...
Heres a short rendition ...

The second Adam does not accuse the woman (in the first Adam the commandment is cast down and the law of life becomes a rest unto death/or a truth/life/rest never entered into) (why Moses and the many things he is a picture of (as a first Adam) could see the land but not enter (among other such pictures), so she enters her second forty (by not eating) a cross picked up) as a garden inclosed or city with walls (wherein the law of our mother becomes the law of life) through the keeping of the commandment of our father). What once was a scattering is now a gathering back again. Knowledge (ladder with steps) drives us out (confusion of face) enter a 2nd forty) knowledge (without steps) gathers again (two gardens/city”s/ladders/sons etc (though they be the same truth); a place wherein nothing enters enter into that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie, where the first heaven and earth no place is found for).

The tree of life and the tree of knowledge are the same tree in the sense of marriage …

Hope this is somewhat satisfactory … as you know, to tug on one reshuffles the whole book and without fail quickly becomes unrelatable by its sheer volume.
 
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What does it mean for a person to "set aside the grace of God"?
I am going to let Paul answer this question of what it doesn't mean, to help us to determine within the context of what he is referring to.

Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3

Paul is obviously not teaching that setting aside the grace of God means to set aside the law of God, because God's law is what is sin

1 John 3:4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.
James 2:11 For He who said, (God) “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law breaking one we break them all and have become a transgressor of God's law, quoting directly from what God said in Exo 20:1-17 God's holy law and Testimony Exo 31:18

The law that Paul was referring to was circumcision Gal 2:3 and not that circumcision in itself is bad, but the Jews were teaching that they could save themselves by cutting off their skin and they no longer needed Jesus Christ for salvation. He spoke of this same situation in several chapters. No one can save themselves. We all need Jesus. Jesus came to save us from our sin Mat 1:21 we need a complete transformation in Christ because no one is saved in their sins Heb 10:26-30
What does it mean that righteousness does not come "through the law"? If righteousness were to come through the law, why would that mean "Christ died in vain"? How is setting aside the grace of God in favor of righteousness through the law and thereby making Christ's death a vain act not another gospel to be avoided?
Same theory as above, as if all they had to do was cut off their flesh meaning they can make themselves righteous and do not need God's righteousness to cover us. Lets make no mistakes all of God's commandments are righteous Psa 119:172 Isa 56:1-6 and they are holy, just and good Rom 7:12 and His righteousness is everlasting Psa 119:142, but we can't make ourselves righteous. Just like I can't make myself righteous for keeping the 4th commandment, or any commandment. Only God can make one righteous, but lets not deceive ourselves that because we need a Savior, that we can practice unrighteousness (sin)

1 John 3:7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous.

Our obedience to God is what leads us to righteousness, disobedience leads us down the wrong path

Rom 6:16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?

Does this make sense?
 
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What law is Paul referring to in Galatians. I will give you a hint, in the same chapter you quoted but in verse 3. Not the same law he contrasted with Gal 2:3 and came to this conclusion 1 Cor 7:19. I beleive you might be missing the intent of this teaching by Paul and why what they were teaching was so dangerous. Paul is not teaching its okay to break God's law and dishonor Him Rom 2:21-23 and sin Rom 7:7 or be an enmity to God Rom 8:7-8. Paul can be hard to understand because if we do not have a good understanding of the different laws, there is a law that is perfect for converting our soul Psa 19:7 that is holy, just and good Rom 7:12 and another law that was added because of sin for breaking God's holy law. Paul often will use the word law and if we are either not understanding the differences or not allowing the context will interpret itself, changes are we are confusing what is being discussed in its context.
Nothing you said addresses my questions about Galatians 2:21. If you are saying "the law" is a differnt law, then answer my questions using that definition of "the law". Here are the questions for easy reference...

What does it mean for a person to "set aside the grace of God"? What does it mean that righteousness does not come "through the law"? If righteousness were to come through the law, why would that mean "Christ died in vain"? How is setting aside the grace of God in favor of righteousness through the law and thereby making Christ's death a vain act not another gospel to be avoided?​

After you can explain Galatians 2:21 using your definition of "the law", we can discuss how your definition of "the law" fits with the context of its use in the verses that immediately follow. When we get there, we can start that discussion with Galatians 3:10-14 where Paul mentions "the law" five times in five verses, contrasting obedience to "the law" with faith in Christ and explicitly warning of the "curse of the law" for failure to obey and the impossibility that God will declare anyone righteous by way of "the law" despite the fact that "the law" explicitly says obedience to "the law" gives life.

Edit: I see your response above and will look at it.
 
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