Where is the Great Multitude from Rev 7:13,14

[Jeffrey Bowden]

They are specific believers of specific churches in the first century. Let's see how turning "you" into indefinite "believers" of all times works out.
In Rev 3:10 Because you have kept My command to persevere, I will also keep you from the hour of testing that is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.
the test is "about to" come upon the whole world. Whereas the "believers" in Rev 2:10 the devil was "about to" throw "you" into prison to be tested. So why are they going through the testing and not the church of Philadelphia?
Rev 2:10Do not fear what you are about to suffer. Behold, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and for ten days you will have tribulation. Be faithful unto death, and I will give you the crown of life.
In the following,

The whole world of the first century was the Roman Empire, not the 21st century "whole world".
oikoumené: World, inhabited earth
Original Word: οἰκουμένη
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: oikoumené
Pronunciation: oy-kou-men'-ay
Phonetic Spelling: (oy-kou-men'-ay)
Definition: World, inhabited earth
Meaning: (properly: the land that is being inhabited, the land in a state of habitation), the inhabited world, that is, the Roman world, for all outside it was regarded as of no account.
Word Origin: From the Greek verb οἰκέω (oikeō), meaning "to dwell" or "to inhabit."
Corresponding Greek / Hebrew Entries: The Hebrew equivalent often used in similar contexts is תֵּבֵל (tebel), Strong's Hebrew 8398, which also refers to the world or the inhabited earth.

Usage: The term "oikoumené" primarily refers to the inhabited world or the known world, particularly in the context of the Roman Empire during the New Testament period. It is used to describe the earth as the dwelling place of humanity, often with an emphasis on the civilized or politically organized world.

Rev 3:10: Because you have kept My command to persevere, I will also keep you from the hour of testing that is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.

You are still missing the two specified groups in Rev 3:10. It is "you" who will be kept from the Trib. We believers will be kept from the Trib.

After we are kept from the Trib, the hour of testing will then come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell upon the earth. You can't escape the fact that "those who dwell upon the earth" is a specific phrase that, in the context of the Trib, only means unbelievers. It is only unbelievers who are tried in the hour of trial by the 21 judgments of God's wrath. That is why it's a 7-year trial. Rev 6:1-2 start the Trib and the last seven of the 21 judgments of God's wrath end in Rev 16. That takes very close to seven years to complete.

 

[Ed Parenteau]

Rev 3:10: Because you have kept My command to persevere, I will also keep you from the hour of testing that is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.

You are still missing the two specified groups in Rev 3:10. It is "you" who will be kept from the Trib. We believers will be kept from the Trib.

After we are kept from the Trib, the hour of testing will then come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell upon the earth. You can't escape the fact that "those who dwell upon the earth" is a specific phrase that, in the context of the Trib, only means unbelievers. It is only unbelievers who are tried in the hour of trial by the 21 judgments of God's wrath. That is why it's a 7-year trial. Rev 6:1-2 start the Trib and the last seven of the 21 judgments of God's wrath end in Rev 16. That takes very close to seven years to complete.

"you" is singular and replaces the noun "church" which is also singular. Rules of grammar state that both the pronoun and the noun that the pronoun replaces agree in number.
Which believers are you referring to?
Everyone dwells on the earth, believers and unbelievers alike. Are you dwelling someplace other than on the earth?

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

"you" is singular and replaces the noun "church" which is also singular. Rules of grammar state that both the pronoun and the noun that the pronoun replaces agree in number.
Which believers are you referring to?
Everyone dwells on the earth, believers and unbelievers alike. Are you dwelling someplace other than on the earth?

Ed, once again, here is your Rev 3:10: Because you have kept My command to persevere, I will also keep you from the hour of testing that is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.

True or false? From "Because" to "hour of testing," "you" is kept from the hour of testing.

 

[Ed Parenteau]

Ed, once again, here is your Rev 3:10: Because you have kept My command to persevere, I will also keep you from the hour of testing that is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.

True or false? From "Because" to "hour of testing," "you" is kept from the hour of testing.

True
Now answer my question. Who is "you" specifically?

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

True
Now answer my question. Who is "you" specifically?

First, Rev 3:10 has not been fulfilled. The hour of TRIAL is the 7-year Trib. It fulfills the 21 judgments of God’s wrath that only unbelievers will experience.

Those 21 judgments are meant to prove God is real and that He is all-powerful, which unbelievers repeatedly deny.

Therefore, unbelievers will see 21 proofs of God during the Trib, because God wants no unbelievers to go to Hell. He gives them seven years of repeated proof of His existence and of His unlimited power — to get them to see that He is real and that He is truly all-powerful.

Please remember that the phrase, “those who dwell on the earth,” in the context of the Trib, is only about unbelievers. Please read Rev 11:10 to see my proof of that phrase being only about unbelievers: Rev 11:10 (ESV): and those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them and make merry and exchange presents, because these two prophets had been a torment to those who dwell on the earth.

Here’s another verse that proves the same thing: Rev 6:10 (ESV): They cried out with a loud voice, “O Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long before you will judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?”

In Rev 6:10, new converts in the Trib are murdered for giving testimony of Jesus Christ. They are saints for being new converts and for being martyrs. The murderers of the new converts are unbelievers. Again, in Rev 6:10, unbelievers are called “those who dwell on the earth.”

Therefore, when Rev 3:10 occurs in the future, “you” will be the Church because the “hour of trial” is only for “those who dwell on the earth,” just as Jesus says in Rev 3:10.

 

[Ed Parenteau]

First, Rev 3:10 has not been fulfilled. The hour of TRIAL is the 7-year Trib. It fulfills the 21 judgments of God’s wrath that only unbelievers will experience.

Those 21 judgments are meant to prove God is real and that He is all-powerful, which unbelievers repeatedly deny.

Therefore, unbelievers will see 21 proofs of God during the Trib, because God wants no unbelievers to go to Hell. He gives them seven years of repeated proof of His existence and of His unlimited power — to get them to see that He is real and that He is truly all-powerful.

Please remember that the phrase, “those who dwell on the earth,” in the context of the Trib, is only about unbelievers. Please read Rev 11:10 to see my proof of that phrase being only about unbelievers: Rev 11:10 (ESV): and those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them and make merry and exchange presents, because these two prophets had been a torment to those who dwell on the earth.

Here’s another verse that proves the same thing: Rev 6:10 (ESV): They cried out with a loud voice, “O Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long before you will judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?”

In Rev 6:10, new converts in the Trib are murdered for giving testimony of Jesus Christ. They are saints for being new converts and for being martyrs. The murderers of the new converts are unbelievers. Again, in Rev 6:10, unbelievers are called “those who dwell on the earth.”

Therefore, when Rev 3:10 occurs in the future, “you” will be the Church because the “hour of trial” is only for “those who dwell on the earth,” just as Jesus says in Rev 3:10.

Anyone who was in the church of Philadelphia and heard the letter written to them, would never in a million years guess it was talking about some mysterious unrevealed church in an unrevealed future. That flies in the face of scripture. In fact, your whole doctrine is based on secrets.
Amos 3:7“For the Lord God does nothing without revealing his secret
to his servants the prophets.
Deuteronomy 29:29“The secret things belong to the Lord our God, but the things that are revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may do all the words of this law.

Christ clearly states who would be avenged and revealed when it would take place per Rev 6:10

Matthew 23:29Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the monuments of the righteous. 30And you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partners with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ 31So you testify against yourselves that you are the sons of those who murdered the prophets. 32Fill up, then, the measure of the sin of your fathers. 33You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape the sentence of hell?
34Because of this, I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify, and others you will flog in your synagogues and persecute from town to town. 35And so upon you will come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36Truly I tell you, all these things will come upon this generation.
They are new converts? who told you that?
1 Th 2: 15who killed both the Lord Jesus and the prophets, and drove us out, and displease God and oppose all mankind 16by hindering us from speaking to the Gentiles that they might be saved—so as always to fill up the measure of their sins. But wrath has come upon them at last!

All who "dwell on the earth" is given the following qualifier:
Rev 13:8And all who dwell on the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written from the foundation of the world in the Book of Life belonging to the Lamb who was slain.
Rev17:8The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to rise from the bottomless pit and go to destruction. And the dwellers on earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world will marvel to see the beast, because it was and is not and is to come.

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

Anyone who was in the church of Philadelphia and heard the letter written to them, would never in a million years guess it was talking about some mysterious unrevealed church in an unrevealed future. That flies in the face of scripture. In fact, your whole doctrine is based on secrets.
Amos 3:7“For the Lord God does nothing without revealing his secret
to his servants the prophets.
Deuteronomy 29:29“The secret things belong to the Lord our God, but the things that are revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may do all the words of this law.

Christ clearly states who would be avenged and revealed when it would take place per Rev 6:10

Matthew 23:29Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the monuments of the righteous. 30And you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partners with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ 31So you testify against yourselves that you are the sons of those who murdered the prophets. 32Fill up, then, the measure of the sin of your fathers. 33You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape the sentence of hell?
34Because of this, I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify, and others you will flog in your synagogues and persecute from town to town. 35And so upon you will come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36Truly I tell you, all these things will come upon this generation.
They are new converts? who told you that?
1 Th 2: 15who killed both the Lord Jesus and the prophets, and drove us out, and displease God and oppose all mankind 16by hindering us from speaking to the Gentiles that they might be saved—so as always to fill up the measure of their sins. But wrath has come upon them at last!

All who "dwell on the earth" is given the following qualifier:
Rev 13:8And all who dwell on the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written from the foundation of the world in the Book of Life belonging to the Lamb who was slain.
Rev17:8The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to rise from the bottomless pit and go to destruction. And the dwellers on earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world will marvel to see the beast, because it was and is not and is to come.

Matt 23:29-37 are about the Pharisees who were enemies of Jesus. They end up in Matt 25:41-46.

Rev 6:10 is about the first martyrs from the 2nd - 4th seals in the Trib. Verse 11 says they will rest a little longer. That was about the need to rest until their “fellow servants”(verse 11) are killed like they were killed. Those fellow servants are found in Rev 20:4. All of the martyrs in the Trib are resurrected together in the last sentence of Rev 20:4. They all appear next in Heaven, in Rev 7:9-17. They all cry out in a loud voice in verse 10: and crying out with a loud voice, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!”

That crying out is about the thankfulness of the multitude of new converts in the Trib. The first word they shout is “Salvation!” They were all lost souls in the Trib and found salvation in the Trib by way of the 144k and the grace of God Almighty.

Those who dwell on the earth in the Trib are all unbelievers, every verse in the Trib with that phrase proves it. Billions of unbelievers will enter the Trib. Millions of them will become new converts as above in Rev 6:9 and Rev 20:4. The new converts are known as the “great multitude” in Rev 7:9.

Rev 3:10 remains unfulfilled. We are “you” in Rev 3:10. We will be kept from the Trib. We will be raptured straight to Heaven per Rev 4:1.

 

[Ed Parenteau]

Therefore, unbelievers will see 21 proofs of God during the Trib, because God wants no unbelievers to go to Hell. He gives them seven years of repeated proof of His existence and of His unlimited power — to get them to see that He is real and that He is truly all-powerful.

This cries out: "The gospel has failed", time to try something else.

 

[Ed Parenteau]

Matt 23:29-37 are about the Pharisees who were enemies of Jesus. They end up in Matt 25:41-46.

Rev 6:10 is about the first martyrs from the 2nd - 4th seals in the Trib. Verse 11 says they will rest a little longer. That was about the need to rest until their “fellow servants”(verse 11) are killed like they were killed. Those fellow servants are found in Rev 20:4. All of the martyrs in the Trib are resurrected together in the last sentence of Rev 20:4. They all appear next in Heaven, in Rev 7:9-17. They all cry out in a loud voice in verse 10: and crying out with a loud voice, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!”

That crying out is about the thankfulness of the multitude of new converts in the Trib. The first word they shout is “Salvation!” They were all lost souls in the Trib and found salvation in the Trib by way of the 144k and the grace of God Almighty.

Those who dwell on the earth in the Trib are all unbelievers, every verse in the Trib with that phrase proves it. Billions of unbelievers will enter the Trib. Millions of them will become new converts as above in Rev 6:9 and Rev 20:4. The new converts are known as the “great multitude” in Rev 7:9.

Rev 3:10 remains unfulfilled. We are “you” in Rev 3:10. We will be kept from the Trib. We will be raptured straight to Heaven per Rev 4:1.

Then this is "you" also: Rev 2:10Do not fear what you are about to suffer. Behold, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and for ten days you will have tribulation. Be faithful unto death, and I will give you the crown of life.

The truth is, you use a private interpretation of grammar that is arbitrary, unknown and unknowable, as if the God of Heaven who created language wouldn't give it rules that govern it.

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

Then this is "you" also: Rev 2:10Do not fear what you are about to suffer. Behold, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and for ten days you will have tribulation. Be faithful unto death, and I will give you the crown of life.

The truth is, you use a private interpretation of grammar that is arbitrary, unknown and unknowable, as if the God of Heaven who created language wouldn't give it rules that govern it.

Rev 2 has been fulfilled. It was about the tribulation of that day. The disciples and early Church were frequently subjected to trials and tribulation in introducing the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Rev 3:10 has not been fulfilled because the 7-year Trib has not started. We are the “you” in Rev 3:10. We will not enter the 7-year Trib; the 7-year trial featuring 21 judgments of God’s wrath starting in Rev 6 through Rev 16.

We will be kept from the “the hour of trial” per Rev 3:10 and raptured straight to Heaven in Rev 4:1.

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

This cries out: "The gospel has failed", time to try something else.

The “hour of trial” in Rev 3:10 is seven years of 21 judgments of God’s wrath against an unbelieving Israel and the rest of the unbelieving world: those who dwell on the earth.

 

[Ed Parenteau]

Rev 2 has been fulfilled. It was about the tribulation of that day. The disciples and early Church were frequently subjected to trials and tribulation in introducing the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Rev 3:10 has not been fulfilled because the 7-year Trib has not started. We are the “you” in Rev 3:10. We will not enter the 7-year Trib; the 7-year trial featuring 21 judgments of God’s wrath starting in Rev 6 through Rev 16.

We will be kept from the “the hour of trial” per Rev 3:10 and raptured straight to Heaven in Rev 4:1.

Rev 2:10 and 3:10 were both "about to" take place. followed in 3:11 by Jesus saying "I am coming soon".

Daniel 12 says the great tribulation is 3-1/2 years. Daniel 12:1 and 7

Where does it say anything about a future generation being raptured for no reason at all and against the explicit prayer of Jesus to not take anyone out of the world. If you doubt the context, read the whole chapter.
John 17:
15I do not ask that you take them out of the world, but that you keep them from the evil one. 16They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 17Sanctify them in the truth; your word is truth. 18As you sent me into the world, so I have sent them into the world. 19And for their sake I consecrate myself, that they also may be sanctified in truth.
20“I do not ask for these only, but also for those who will believe in me through their word, 21that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me.

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

Then this is "you" also: Rev 2:10Do not fear what you are about to suffer. Behold, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and for ten days you will have tribulation. Be faithful unto death, and I will give you the crown of life.

The truth is, you use a private interpretation of grammar that is arbitrary, unknown and unknowable, as if the God of Heaven who created language wouldn't give it rules that govern it.

Rev 2:10 and 3:10 were both "about to" take place. followed in 3:11 by Jesus saying "I am coming soon".

Daniel 12 says the great tribulation is 3-1/2 years. Daniel 12:1 and 7

Where does it say anything about a future generation being raptured for no reason at all and against the explicit prayer of Jesus to not take anyone out of the world. If you doubt the context, read the whole chapter.
John 17:
15I do not ask that you take them out of the world, but that you keep them from the evil one. 16They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 17Sanctify them in the truth; your word is truth. 18As you sent me into the world, so I have sent them into the world. 19And for their sake I consecrate myself, that they also may be sanctified in truth.
20“I do not ask for these only, but also for those who will believe in me through their word, 21that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me.

Who are "they" in verse 15? They are disciples who wanted to follow Jesus to Heaven after He ascended, Jesus couldn't allow that because the disciples still had work to do on Earth..

The "great tribulation" is the biblical name of the 2nd half of the Trib. Jesus said as much in Matt 24:21. Jesus was speaking only about the second half of the 7-year Trib.

Rev 11 also proves the Trib is 7 years long, Rev 11 is halfway through the Trib. At Rev 11:2-3, two groups are known to start 3.5-year activities. In Rev 11:2, the folks who will trample the city of Jerusalem will do so for 42 months (3.5 Jewish years). In Rev 11:3, the Two Witnesses are assigned 1,260 days (3.5 Jewish years) for prophesying. They both begin those timeframes shortly after that verse. Now, that is at the halfway point of the 7-year Trib. Therefore, the first half, Rev 6-10, is also about 3.5 years. You can't escape the fact that the entire Trib is about seven years long,

Rev 3:10 is about the "hour of trial" that is the 7-year Trib's 21 judgments of God's wrath poured out onto unbelievers. That hasn't happened yet.

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

Then this is "you" also: Rev 2:10Do not fear what you are about to suffer. Behold, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and for ten days you will have tribulation. Be faithful unto death, and I will give you the crown of life.

The truth is, you use a private interpretation of grammar that is arbitrary, unknown and unknowable, as if the God of Heaven who created language wouldn't give it rules that govern it.

Rev 2:10 is only about that Church as Jesus specified they will experience ten days of tribulation. That is entirely a local matter. Therefore, Rev 2:10 has nothing to do with Rev 3:10.

 

[Ed Parenteau]

Rev 2:10 is only about that Church as Jesus specified they will experience ten days of tribulation. That is entirely a local matter. Therefore, Rev 2:10 has nothing to do with Rev 3:10.

The 7 churches are all local churches across from the Isle of Patmos on a road that begins in Ephesus and ends at Laodicea. And even if the test was coming on the whole Roman world, Christ promised the church in Philadelphia he would keep/guard them from it, but nowhere does it say He will take them out of the world. And the fact that both churches are told it was "about to" come.

Here's what the "about to" means in the two verses. I queried Chat GPT for the distinctions.
Below is an explanation of how the two forms convey the idea of something "about to" occur and what the differences imply in context.

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Overview of the Two Usages​

In the passages you’re referring to, Revelation 2:10 and Revelation 3:10 both speak of events “about to” happen, but they do so with different grammatical constructions:

1. A Present Indicative Form in Revelation 2:10
2. A Present Participle Form in Revelation 3:10

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1. The Present Indicative in Revelation 2:10​

• What It Does:
  When a finite (present indicative) verb is used to express an “about to” sense, it does so as a clear statement of what is impending.
• Function in Context:
  In Revelation 2:10, the text warns the church that they are going to face suffering—implying that the event (such as persecution or trial) is a sure, near-future occurrence.
• Implication:
  The use of the present indicative here serves to declare as a factual prediction: the event is imminent and definite. There’s no additional nuance about the ongoing process of its approach—it’s stated as a future reality that will occur as part of God’s judgment or testing.

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2. The Present Participle in Revelation 3:10​

• What It Does:
  A present participle (an adjective-like form) is used to qualify a noun—in this case, it modifies the noun that describes the event (usually “trial” or “temptation”).
• Function in Context:
  In Revelation 3:10, the participial form (from the verb μέλλω, “to be about to”) qualifies the “hour” or “time” of trial. For example, many translations render the phrase as “the hour of trial that is coming” (or “that is about to come”).
• Implication:
  By using the present participle, the text emphasizes not only that the event is imminent but also highlights the ongoing or dynamic character of its approach. It paints a picture of the trial as something in the process of “coming” into being—a continuously impending event that has the quality of immediacy and active approach.

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Key Differences Summarized​

• Finite vs. Modifying Function:
  • The present indicative in Revelation 2:10 is a finite verb form. It asserts directly that a specific event will occur—it’s a straightforward prediction or promise regarding the future.
  • The present participle in Revelation 3:10, on the other hand, functions adjectivally. It modifies the noun (e.g., “hour of trial”) to underscore that the event is not static but actively on its way.
• Nuance of Imminence:
  • The indicative form gives a simple “this is going to happen” sense without drawing attention to the process of coming.
  • The participle form, by describing the noun, suggests an ongoing process, enhancing the immediacy and the active nature of the approaching event.
• Contextual Impact:
  • In Revelation 2:10, the use of the present indicative places the reader in a posture of expecting a definite and soon-to-be-realized experience of suffering or testing.
  • In Revelation 3:10, the participial construction invites the reader to understand that the trial is not only sure to come but is already on its way—its approach is imminent and its effects are unfolding even as the promise of deliverance is declared.

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Conclusion​

Both forms communicate the idea of an impending event, but they do so with slightly different emphases:

• The present indicative in Revelation 2:10 serves to declare an imminent, assured future event in a straightforward manner.
• The present participle in Revelation 3:10 adds a layer of immediacy by describing the character of the event (the “hour of trial”) as actively and continuously approaching.

This nuanced difference helps shape the reader’s understanding of the nature of the coming trial and the assurance of deliverance promised to the faithful.

Would you like further details on the Greek forms or additional examples from the text?

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

The 7 churches are all local churches across from the Isle of Patmos on a road that begins in Ephesus and ends at Laodicea. And even if the test was coming on the whole Roman world, Christ promised the church in Philadelphia he would keep/guard them from it, but nowhere does it say He will take them out of the world. And the fact that both churches are told it was "about to" come.

Here's what the "about to" means in the two verses. I queried Chat GPT for the distinctions.
Below is an explanation of how the two forms convey the idea of something "about to" occur and what the differences imply in context.

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Overview of the Two Usages​

In the passages you’re referring to, Revelation 2:10 and Revelation 3:10 both speak of events “about to” happen, but they do so with different grammatical constructions:

1. A Present Indicative Form in Revelation 2:10
2. A Present Participle Form in Revelation 3:10

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1. The Present Indicative in Revelation 2:10​

• What It Does:
  When a finite (present indicative) verb is used to express an “about to” sense, it does so as a clear statement of what is impending.
• Function in Context:
  In Revelation 2:10, the text warns the church that they are going to face suffering—implying that the event (such as persecution or trial) is a sure, near-future occurrence.
• Implication:
  The use of the present indicative here serves to declare as a factual prediction: the event is imminent and definite. There’s no additional nuance about the ongoing process of its approach—it’s stated as a future reality that will occur as part of God’s judgment or testing.

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2. The Present Participle in Revelation 3:10​

• What It Does:
  A present participle (an adjective-like form) is used to qualify a noun—in this case, it modifies the noun that describes the event (usually “trial” or “temptation”).
• Function in Context:
  In Revelation 3:10, the participial form (from the verb μέλλω, “to be about to”) qualifies the “hour” or “time” of trial. For example, many translations render the phrase as “the hour of trial that is coming” (or “that is about to come”).
• Implication:
  By using the present participle, the text emphasizes not only that the event is imminent but also highlights the ongoing or dynamic character of its approach. It paints a picture of the trial as something in the process of “coming” into being—a continuously impending event that has the quality of immediacy and active approach.

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Key Differences Summarized​

• Finite vs. Modifying Function:
  • The present indicative in Revelation 2:10 is a finite verb form. It asserts directly that a specific event will occur—it’s a straightforward prediction or promise regarding the future.
  • The present participle in Revelation 3:10, on the other hand, functions adjectivally. It modifies the noun (e.g., “hour of trial”) to underscore that the event is not static but actively on its way.
• Nuance of Imminence:
  • The indicative form gives a simple “this is going to happen” sense without drawing attention to the process of coming.
  • The participle form, by describing the noun, suggests an ongoing process, enhancing the immediacy and the active nature of the approaching event.
• Contextual Impact:
  • In Revelation 2:10, the use of the present indicative places the reader in a posture of expecting a definite and soon-to-be-realized experience of suffering or testing.
  • In Revelation 3:10, the participial construction invites the reader to understand that the trial is not only sure to come but is already on its way—its approach is imminent and its effects are unfolding even as the promise of deliverance is declared.

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Conclusion​

Both forms communicate the idea of an impending event, but they do so with slightly different emphases:

• The present indicative in Revelation 2:10 serves to declare an imminent, assured future event in a straightforward manner.
• The present participle in Revelation 3:10 adds a layer of immediacy by describing the character of the event (the “hour of trial”) as actively and continuously approaching.

This nuanced difference helps shape the reader’s understanding of the nature of the coming trial and the assurance of deliverance promised to the faithful.

Would you like further details on the Greek forms or additional examples from the text?

Rev 3:10 (ESV) is about who will be tried in the "hour of trial" and who will be kept from it. The hour of trial is the 7-year Trib and its 21 judgments of God's wrath that are detailed in Rev 6 through Rev 16.

Jesus said in Rev 3:10 (ESV) that the hour of trial will "try those who dwell on the earth." That is a phrase that defines the unbelievers who will be left behind after the pre-Trib rapture in Rev 4:1.

 

[Ed Parenteau]

Rev 3:10 (ESV) is about who will be tried in the "hour of trial" and who will be kept from it. The hour of trial is the 7-year Trib and its 21 judgments of God's wrath that are detailed in Rev 6 through Rev 16.

Jesus said in Rev 3:10 (ESV) that the hour of trial will "try those who dwell on the earth." That is a phrase that defines the unbelievers who will be left behind after the pre-Trib rapture in Rev 4:1.

When God sent His servant Nebuchadnezzar against Israel and the nations that surrounded Israel He said this:
Jeremiah 25:
“‘The Lord will roar from on high,
and from his holy habitation utter his voice;
he will roar mightily against his fold,
and shout, like those who tread grapes,
against all the inhabitants of the earth.
31The clamor will resound to the ends of the earth,
for the Lord has an indictment against the nations;
he is entering into judgment with all flesh,
and the wicked he will put to the sword,
declares the Lord.’

So, what happened to the righteous of that time?

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

When God sent His servant Nebuchadnezzar against Israel and the nations that surrounded Israel He said this:
Jeremiah 25:
“‘The Lord will roar from on high,
and from his holy habitation utter his voice;
he will roar mightily against his fold,
and shout, like those who tread grapes,
against all the inhabitants of the earth.
31The clamor will resound to the ends of the earth,
for the Lord has an indictment against the nations;
he is entering into judgment with all flesh,
and the wicked he will put to the sword,
declares the Lord.’

So, what happened to the righteous of that time?

It was agreed that “you” in Rev 3:10 is kept from “the hour of trial.” Jesus said in Rev 3:10 (ESV): that the hour of trial “ … is coming on the whole world, to try those who dwell on the earth.”

We are removed from Earth before “the hour of trial” because it only tries “those who dwell on the earth.”

In the context of the Trib, “those that dwell on the earth” are unbelievers who are left behind after the pre-Trib rapture and it is only they who will be tried by God’s 21 judgments of wrath in the Trib.

With that proof that only unbelievers will inhabit Earth upon “the hour of trial,” Jesus’words about our being kept from the Trib mean that we are raptured straight to Heaven in Rev 4:1.

What is your point about Jeremiah 25? It has nothing to do with Rev 3:10 or the 7-year Trib.

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

When God sent His servant Nebuchadnezzar against Israel and the nations that surrounded Israel He said this:
Jeremiah 25:
“‘The Lord will roar from on high,
and from his holy habitation utter his voice;
he will roar mightily against his fold,
and shout, like those who tread grapes,
against all the inhabitants of the earth.
31The clamor will resound to the ends of the earth,
for the Lord has an indictment against the nations;
he is entering into judgment with all flesh,
and the wicked he will put to the sword,
declares the Lord.’

So, what happened to the righteous of that time?

Why are you asking this when it has nothing to do with the 7-year Trib? The fact of unbelievers as the sole inhabitant of this planet begins at Rev 6:1-2, the beginning of the Trib. Rev 4:1 will have already happened. Rev 6:1-2 begin the "hour of trial." All hell breaks loose as the 2nd seal (Rev 6:3-4) is opened that creates simultaneous wars all over this planet. There is nothing like what will occur in the Trib, in the Old Testament.

 

[Ed Parenteau]

The "great tribulation" is the biblical name of the 2nd half of the Trib. Jesus said as much in Matt 24:21. Jesus was speaking only about the second half of the 7-year Trib.

Rev 11 also proves the Trib is 7 years long, Rev 11 is halfway through the Trib. At Rev 11:2-3, two groups are known to start 3.5-year activities. In Rev 11:2, the folks who will trample the city of Jerusalem will do so for 42 months (3.5 Jewish years). In Rev 11:3, the Two Witnesses are assigned 1,260 days (3.5 Jewish years) for prophesying. They both begin those timeframes shortly after that verse. Now, that is at the halfway point of the 7-year Trib. Therefore, the first half, Rev 6-10, is also about 3.5 years. You can't escape the fact that the entire Trib is about seven years long,

Rev 3:10 is about the "hour of trial" that is the 7-year Trib's 21 judgments of God's wrath poured out onto unbelievers. That hasn't happened yet.

So, then, is the first half of your "7 year tribulation", just every day trials and tribulations per your definition? Then also, per your definition of "tribulation", the church has been going through "every day trials and tribulations" from the beginning. In fact, it says that the church must go through many tribulations right up until the time they enter the kingdom of God.

What, of course, you don't say is that you took a few words out of context and created your own scripture no where found in the bible. I've maintained all along when in context that the personal pronoun "you" replaces the specific antecedent noun "church in Philadelphia" in that paragraph. They alone are the ones who would be kept from the hour of trial/test/temptation and Jesus tells them it was because of what they had already done. That's why the past tense is used. "because you have kept", It doesn't say: "because they will keep" as would be the case in a future church. And to prove that, Jesus declares in the present indicative: "I am coming soon" I am assuming, like all futurists, you don't believe Him.

Nowhere in the New Testament does it say any fulfillment of the prophecies would take place in the distant future, other than the gospel and the church last forever..
Ephesians 3:21to Him be the glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, forever and ever. Amen. The only thing that was ever prophesied to end was Old Covenant Israel.

God's judgements are those which would be poured out on Israel and were poured out on Israel for the 3-1/2 years that lasted from ad 66 to ad 70 when God sent his armies to burn the city of the Pharisees down.
Matthew 22:1Once again, Jesus spoke to them(the Pharisees) in parables: 2“The kingdom of heaven is like a king who prepared a wedding banquet for his son. 3He sent his servants to call those he had invited to the banquet, but they refused to come......
7The king was enraged, and he sent his troops to destroy those murderers and burn their city. 8Then he said to his servants, ‘The wedding banquet is ready, but those I invited were not worthy. 9Go therefore to the crossroads and invite to the banquet as many as you can find.’
We can clearly see that the wedding of the Lamb takes place right after the Romans burned Jerusalem down in 70ad.