Where is the Great Multitude from Rev 7:13,14

[Jeffrey Bowden]

John 17:15I am not asking that You take them out of the world, but that You keep them from the evil one....20I am not asking on behalf of them alone, but also on behalf of those who will believe in Me through their message, 21that all of them may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I am in You. May they also be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.
And this is validated by
Ephesians 3:21to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, forever and ever. Amen.

For you to claim He's preparing the the future church for the Ascension is quite puzzling.

My question to Chat GPT
Who's the antecedent noun in Revelation 4:1 to the pronoun "you"?

ChatGPT said:​

In Revelation 4:1, the pronoun "you" appears in the phrase:​

Revelation 4:1 (KJV)
"After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter."

Who is "you" referring to?​

The antecedent noun for "you" (thee, in KJV) is John—the author of Revelation.

• Throughout Revelation, John refers to himself in the first person ("I, me") as the recipient of divine visions.
• The command "Come up hither" is directed to John personally, inviting him to witness heavenly events.

Contextual Confirmation​

• Revelation 1:1 – "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants..."
• Revelation 1:9 – "I, John, who also am your brother..."
• Revelation 1:10-11 – John hears a voice speaking to him, which sets the pattern for Revelation 4:1.

Thus, the antecedent of "you" is John—he is the one being addressed by the heavenly voice.

There's no such thing as a seven year tribulation, and you can't find it, all you can do is claim it. Nor can you find a verse that says the church will be taken out of the world before the tribulation.

If Rev 4:1 is the resurrection the judgement and the dispensational version of the "rapture", then it's also the end of death and the marriage of the lamb. And it's also a black hole where the "church" is never seen nor heard from again.

What John 17:15 refers to is not taking the disciples to Heaven when Jesus ascends.

What John 17:19 refers to is sanctification of all believers. That has nothing to do with a request for them to go to Heaven, upon the ascension..

Jesus promised in Rev 3:10 to keep believers from the world before the Trib starts. That is all about the combined actions in 1 Th 4:16, 1 Cor 15:52, 1 Th 4:17 and Rev 4:1.

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

John 17:15I am not asking that You take them out of the world, but that You keep them from the evil one....20I am not asking on behalf of them alone, but also on behalf of those who will believe in Me through their message, 21that all of them may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I am in You. May they also be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.
And this is validated by
Ephesians 3:21to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, forever and ever. Amen.

For you to claim He's preparing the the future church for the Ascension is quite puzzling.

My question to Chat GPT
Who's the antecedent noun in Revelation 4:1 to the pronoun "you"?

ChatGPT said:​

In Revelation 4:1, the pronoun "you" appears in the phrase:​

Revelation 4:1 (KJV)
"After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter."

Who is "you" referring to?​

The antecedent noun for "you" (thee, in KJV) is John—the author of Revelation.

• Throughout Revelation, John refers to himself in the first person ("I, me") as the recipient of divine visions.
• The command "Come up hither" is directed to John personally, inviting him to witness heavenly events.

Contextual Confirmation​

• Revelation 1:1 – "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants..."
• Revelation 1:9 – "I, John, who also am your brother..."
• Revelation 1:10-11 – John hears a voice speaking to him, which sets the pattern for Revelation 4:1.

Thus, the antecedent of "you" is John—he is the one being addressed by the heavenly voice.

There's no such thing as a seven year tribulation, and you can't find it, all you can do is claim it. Nor can you find a verse that says the church will be taken out of the world before the tribulation.

If Rev 4:1 is the resurrection the judgement and the dispensational version of the "rapture", then it's also the end of death and the marriage of the lamb. And it's also a black hole where the "church" is never seen nor heard from again.

Rev 1:1 (ESV): The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,

Rev 22:8 (ESV): I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I heard and saw them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who showed them to me,

You are making up stuff. John never went to Heaven when writing Rev. The two verses above explain exactly how John learned all about what to write in Revelation. In Rev 1:1, John learned Rev by an angel who was sent to him while he was on Patmos. In Rev 22:8, John confirms the he "heard and saw" EVERYTHING about Revelation by "the angel who showed them to me."

Show me in Rev where John says he went to Heaven. Rev 4:1 was merely written by John while he was on Patmos, just like EVERYTHING else he wrote about Rev. He wrote ALL of Rev while on Patmos. Rev 4:1 is therefore the pre-Trib rapture of the Church. I am not making up anything, I am quoting the Bible. .

 

[Ed Parenteau]

What John 17:15 refers to is not taking the disciples to Heaven when Jesus ascends.

What John 17:19 refers to is sanctification of all believers. That has nothing to do with a request for them to go to Heaven, upon the ascension..

Jesus promised in Rev 3:10 to keep believers from the world before the Trib starts. That is all about the combined actions in 1 Th 4:16, 1 Cor 15:52, 1 Th 4:17 and Rev 4:1.

I'll put it in context so everyone cans see.

John 17:13But now I am coming to You; and I am saying these things while I am in the world, so that they may have My joy fulfilled within them. 14I have given them Your word and the world has hated them. For they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.

15I am not asking that You take them out of the world, but that You keep them from the evil one. 16They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 17Sanctify them by the truth; Your word is truth. 18As You sent Me into the world, I have also sent them into the world. 19For them I sanctify Myself, so that they too may be sanctified by the truth.

20I am not asking on behalf of them alone, but also on behalf of those who will believe in Me through their message, 21that all of them may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I am in You. May they also be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.

That prayer has been answered as no one has been taken out of the world for 2000 years.

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

I'll put it in context so everyone cans see.

John 17:13But now I am coming to You; and I am saying these things while I am in the world, so that they may have My joy fulfilled within them. 14I have given them Your word and the world has hated them. For they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.

15I am not asking that You take them out of the world, but that You keep them from the evil one. 16They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 17Sanctify them by the truth; Your word is truth. 18As You sent Me into the world, I have also sent them into the world. 19For them I sanctify Myself, so that they too may be sanctified by the truth.

20I am not asking on behalf of them alone, but also on behalf of those who will believe in Me through their message, 21that all of them may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I am in You. May they also be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.

That prayer has been answered as no one has been taken out of the world for 2000 years.

You are quoting verses out of context. Jesus was primarily praying for his disciples to understand that they cannot follow Him to Heaven upon His ascension. Those verses have nothing to do with 1 Th 4:16, 1 Cor 15:52, 1 Th 4:17 and Rev 4:1.

Jesus promised in Rev 3:10 to keep all believers out of the Trib. Jesus also said that only unbelievers ("those who dwell on the earth") will enter the Trib and be tried by God's 21 judgments of wrath.. Show me believers in the Trib and I will prove they are all new converts or Jews. At least 70% of the Bible is about Jews and Israel. They run on their own track throughout the Trib. Therefore, all new believers in the Trib are converted unbelievers.

Rev 1:1 and Rev 22:8 prove that apostle John was on Patmos the whole time he wrote 100% of Rev. He was shown 100% of Rev in an extraordinary vision that was shown to him by one angel. Rev 4:1 is therefore proven to be the pre-Trib rapture of the Church.

 

[Ed Parenteau]

Rev 1:1 (ESV): The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,

Rev 22:8 (ESV): I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I heard and saw them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who showed them to me,

You are making up stuff. John never went to Heaven when writing Rev. The two verses above explain exactly how John learned all about what to write in Revelation. In Rev 1:1, John learned Rev by an angel who was sent to him while he was on Patmos. In Rev 22:8, John confirms the he "heard and saw" EVERYTHING about Revelation by "the angel who showed them to me."

Show me in Rev where John says he went to Heaven. Rev 4:1 was merely written by John while he was on Patmos, just like EVERYTHING else he wrote about Rev. He wrote ALL of Rev while on Patmos. Rev 4:1 is therefore the pre-Trib rapture of the Church. I am not making up anything, I am quoting the Bible. .

It never says "one angel showed him everything", that's you saying that. Just read Chapter 14 and see how many angels and beasts showed him and told him things.
Rev 22:8 is a different angel than the angel in chapter 1. The angel who showed him "these things" (It says "these things" because this angel didn't show him everything) was the angel from Rev 21:9Then came one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues and spoke to me, saying, “Come, I will show you the Bride, the wife of the Lamb.” 10And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great, high mountain, and showed me the holy city Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God, ...read all the way to 22:8 to see what "these things" are.

John was indeed physically on the Isle of Patmos, but he was "in the Spirit" and traveled in the Spirit to see visions not of Patmos.

What do you think "carried me away in the Spirit" means?

It's obvious that it is John who is called up to heaven and is immediately there in verse 2.
Rev 4:1
1After this I(John) looked and saw a door standing open in heaven. And the voice I(John) had previously heard speak to me(John) like a trumpet was saying, “Come up here, and I(voice speaking like a trumpet) will show you(John) what must happen after these things.”
2At once I(John) was in the Spirit, and I(John) saw a throne standing in heaven, with someone seated on it.

How did John see a throne in heaven if he didn't go there in a vision in the Spirit? None of what he saw was a vision of the Isle of Patmos.

Revelation 3:10 in context.
Rev 3:7To the angel of the church in Philadelphia write:
These are the words of the One who is holy and true, who holds the key of David. What He opens no one can shut, and what He shuts no one can open.
8I know your deeds. Behold, I have placed before you an open door, which no one can shut. I know that you have only a little strength, yet you have kept My word and have not denied My name. 9As for those who belong to the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews but are liars instead, I will make them come and bow down at your feet, and they will know that I love you.
10Because you have kept My command to persevere, I will also keep you from the hour of testing that is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth. 11I am coming soon. Hold fast to what you have, so that no one will take your crown. 12The one who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will never again leave it. Upon him I will write the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God (the new Jerusalem that comes down out of heaven from My God), and My new name.
13He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

I see it as given the the church in Philadelphia, who do you say it's for?
Who's the Synagogue of Satan ? When they come and bow down at your feet?
Since verse 10 is written in the past tense, what exactly did you do 2000 years ago to keep His command to persevere?
Jesus said He was coming soon. Why would He say that if it wasn't true?
How would you hold fast to the crown you got 2000 years ago?

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

It never says "one angel showed him everything", that's you saying that. Just read Chapter 14 and see how many angels and beasts showed him and told him things.
Rev 22:8 is a different angel than the angel in chapter 1. The angel who showed him "these things" (It says "these things" because this angel didn't show him everything) was the angel from Rev 21:9Then came one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues and spoke to me, saying, “Come, I will show you the Bride, the wife of the Lamb.” 10And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great, high mountain, and showed me the holy city Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God, ...read all the way to 22:8 to see what "these things" are.

John was indeed physically on the Isle of Patmos, but he was "in the Spirit" and traveled in the Spirit to see visions not of Patmos.

What do you think "carried me away in the Spirit" means?

It's obvious that it is John who is called up to heaven and is immediately there in verse 2.
Rev 4:1
1After this I(John) looked and saw a door standing open in heaven. And the voice I(John) had previously heard speak to me(John) like a trumpet was saying, “Come up here, and I(voice speaking like a trumpet) will show you(John) what must happen after these things.”
2At once I(John) was in the Spirit, and I(John) saw a throne standing in heaven, with someone seated on it.

How did John see a throne in heaven if he didn't go there in a vision in the Spirit? None of what he saw was a vision of the Isle of Patmos.

Revelation 3:10 in context.
Rev 3:7To the angel of the church in Philadelphia write:
These are the words of the One who is holy and true, who holds the key of David. What He opens no one can shut, and what He shuts no one can open.
8I know your deeds. Behold, I have placed before you an open door, which no one can shut. I know that you have only a little strength, yet you have kept My word and have not denied My name. 9As for those who belong to the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews but are liars instead, I will make them come and bow down at your feet, and they will know that I love you.
10Because you have kept My command to persevere, I will also keep you from the hour of testing that is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth. 11I am coming soon. Hold fast to what you have, so that no one will take your crown. 12The one who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will never again leave it. Upon him I will write the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God (the new Jerusalem that comes down out of heaven from My God), and My new name.
13He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

I see it as given the the church in Philadelphia, who do you say it's for?
Who's the Synagogue of Satan ? When they come and bow down at your feet?
Since verse 10 is written in the past tense, what exactly did you do 2000 years ago to keep His command to persevere?
Jesus said He was coming soon. Why would He say that if it wasn't true?
How would you hold fast to the crown you got 2000 years ago?

Rev 1:1 (ESV): The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,

Rev 1:1 says one angel was sent to John to make known to him the revelation of Jesus Christ. That means 100% of Rev.

Rev 1:9-12 (ESV): I, John, your brother and partner in the tribulation and the kingdom and the patient endurance that are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos on account of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus. 10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet 11 saying, “Write what you see in a book and send it to the seven churches, to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea.”

Rev 1:12 (ESV): Then I turned to see the voice that was speaking to me, and on turning I saw seven golden lampstands,

John was on Patmos. He was "in the spirit." He turned and saw the voice that was speaking to him, and on turning he saw seven golden lampstands.

John also said in Rev 1:10 (ESV): I was in the Spirit ... and I heard ... Rev 1:12 (ESV): Then I turned to see ...

"In the spirit" was defined in those verses. John had such rapt attention on what one angel was showing him, John was immersed in the scenes of his vision. That explains how John was able to see the golden lampstands in Heaven, while he was on Patmos.

Rev 22:8 (ESV): I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I heard and saw them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who showed them to me,

That verse is in the last chapter of Rev. It validates what is in the first chapter of Rev. John was on Patmos when one angel showed him everything about Rev by way of a supernatural vision. Per Rev 1:12, John could see Heaven in his vision, while on Patmos. When John was "in the spirit," he was immersed with rapt attention in what he was being shown. That includes all scenes that John describes with other angels, beasts, etc.

Rev 3:10 is about the 7-year Trib that will occur in the future. It therefore applies to the current generation of Christians, we who are alive in the end times. In the news, there's been a lot of talk about offers of peace, even by Russia to the U.S., in terms of Ukraine. If the push toward world peace continues, and under President Trump, that is a top priority, then this world is trending toward 1 Th 5:2-3. It should take 1-2 years to create world peace and security. The pre-Trib rapture has a real chance of occurring in 2-3 years.

2 Tim 4:8 (ESV): Henceforth there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, will award to me on that day, and not only to me but also to all who have loved his appearing.

"That day" in that verse means the day of the pre-Trib rapture. We will experience the Judgment Seat of Christ (2 Cor 5:10) on the day of the pre-Trib rapture, That is when each of us will be given our crown.

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

Rev 1:1 (ESV): The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,

Rev 1:1 says one angel was sent to John to make known to him the revelation of Jesus Christ. That means 100% of Rev.

Rev 1:9-12 (ESV): I, John, your brother and partner in the tribulation and the kingdom and the patient endurance that are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos on account of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus. 10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet 11 saying, “Write what you see in a book and send it to the seven churches, to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea.”

Rev 1:12 (ESV): Then I turned to see the voice that was speaking to me, and on turning I saw seven golden lampstands,

John was on Patmos. He was "in the spirit." He turned and saw the voice that was speaking to him, and on turning he saw seven golden lampstands.

John also said in Rev 1:10 (ESV): I was in the Spirit ... and I heard ... Rev 1:12 (ESV): Then I turned to see ...

"In the spirit" was defined in those verses. John had such rapt attention on what one angel was showing him, John was immersed in the scenes of his vision. That explains how John was able to see the golden lampstands in Heaven, while he was on Patmos.

Rev 22:8 (ESV): I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I heard and saw them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who showed them to me,

That verse is in the last chapter of Rev. It validates what is in the first chapter of Rev, John was on Patmos when one angel showed him everything about Rev by way of a supernatural vision. Per Rev 1:12, John could see Heaven in his vision, while on Patmos. When John was "in the spirit," he was immersed with rapt attention in what he was being shown. That includes all scenes that John describes with other angels, beasts, etc.

Rev 3:10 is about the 7-year Trib that will occur in the future. It therefore applies to the current generation of Christians, we who are alive in the end times. In the news, there's been a lot of talk about offers of peace, even by Russia to the U.S., in terms of Ukraine. If the push toward world peace continues, and under President Trump, that is a top priority, then this world is trending toward 1 Th 5:2-3. It should take 1-2 years to create world peace and security. The pre-Trib rapture has a real chance of occurring in 2-3 years.

I'll put it in context so everyone cans see.

John 17:13But now I am coming to You; and I am saying these things while I am in the world, so that they may have My joy fulfilled within them. 14I have given them Your word and the world has hated them. For they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.

15I am not asking that You take them out of the world, but that You keep them from the evil one. 16They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 17Sanctify them by the truth; Your word is truth. 18As You sent Me into the world, I have also sent them into the world. 19For them I sanctify Myself, so that they too may be sanctified by the truth.

20I am not asking on behalf of them alone, but also on behalf of those who will believe in Me through their message, 21that all of them may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I am in You. May they also be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.

That prayer has been answered as no one has been taken out of the world for 2000 years.

Luke 16:19-22 prove that all believers, upon death, go to Paradise. Paradise is part of Heaven. Therefore, all dead believers in the past have left this world and gone to Paradise.

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

It never says "one angel showed him everything", that's you saying that. Just read Chapter 14 and see how many angels and beasts showed him and told him things.
Rev 22:8 is a different angel than the angel in chapter 1. The angel who showed him "these things" (It says "these things" because this angel didn't show him everything) was the angel from Rev 21:9Then came one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues and spoke to me, saying, “Come, I will show you the Bride, the wife of the Lamb.” 10And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great, high mountain, and showed me the holy city Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God, ...read all the way to 22:8 to see what "these things" are.

John was indeed physically on the Isle of Patmos, but he was "in the Spirit" and traveled in the Spirit to see visions not of Patmos.

What do you think "carried me away in the Spirit" means?

It's obvious that it is John who is called up to heaven and is immediately there in verse 2.
Rev 4:1
1After this I(John) looked and saw a door standing open in heaven. And the voice I(John) had previously heard speak to me(John) like a trumpet was saying, “Come up here, and I(voice speaking like a trumpet) will show you(John) what must happen after these things.”
2At once I(John) was in the Spirit, and I(John) saw a throne standing in heaven, with someone seated on it.

How did John see a throne in heaven if he didn't go there in a vision in the Spirit? None of what he saw was a vision of the Isle of Patmos.

Revelation 3:10 in context.
Rev 3:7To the angel of the church in Philadelphia write:
These are the words of the One who is holy and true, who holds the key of David. What He opens no one can shut, and what He shuts no one can open.
8I know your deeds. Behold, I have placed before you an open door, which no one can shut. I know that you have only a little strength, yet you have kept My word and have not denied My name. 9As for those who belong to the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews but are liars instead, I will make them come and bow down at your feet, and they will know that I love you.
10Because you have kept My command to persevere, I will also keep you from the hour of testing that is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth. 11I am coming soon. Hold fast to what you have, so that no one will take your crown. 12The one who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will never again leave it. Upon him I will write the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God (the new Jerusalem that comes down out of heaven from My God), and My new name.
13He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

I see it as given the the church in Philadelphia, who do you say it's for?
Who's the Synagogue of Satan ? When they come and bow down at your feet?
Since verse 10 is written in the past tense, what exactly did you do 2000 years ago to keep His command to persevere?
Jesus said He was coming soon. Why would He say that if it wasn't true?
How would you hold fast to the crown you got 2000 years ago?

Ed, we have the answer about how John wrote about Heaven in Rev.

First, John was always on Patmos during his vision of Rev. The vision showed to John showed him Heaven. That's proven in the following verses.

Rev 1:9-13 (ESV): I, John, your brother and partner in the tribulation and the kingdom and the patient endurance that are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos on account of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus. 10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet 11 saying, “Write what you see in a book and send it to the seven churches, to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea.” 12 Then I turned to see the voice that was speaking to me, and on turning I saw seven golden lampstands, 13 and in the midst of the lampstands one like a son of man, clothed with a long robe and with a golden sash around his chest.

There's the answer as to how John wrote all of Rev on Patmos. The vision showed to John, showed him Heaven. Right there in Rev 1:12-13, it is proven that while on Patmos, the vision showed to him by one angel, showed him Heaven.

 

[Ed Parenteau]

Rev 1:1 (ESV): The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,

Rev 1:1 says one angel was sent to John to make known to him the revelation of Jesus Christ. That means 100% of Rev.

Rev 1:9-12 (ESV): I, John, your brother and partner in the tribulation and the kingdom and the patient endurance that are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos on account of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus. 10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet 11 saying, “Write what you see in a book and send it to the seven churches, to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea.”

Rev 1:12 (ESV): Then I turned to see the voice that was speaking to me, and on turning I saw seven golden lampstands,

John was on Patmos. He was "in the spirit." He turned and saw the voice that was speaking to him, and on turning he saw seven golden lampstands.

John also said in Rev 1:10 (ESV): I was in the Spirit ... and I heard ... Rev 1:12 (ESV): Then I turned to see ...

"In the spirit" was defined in those verses. John had such rapt attention on what one angel was showing him, John was immersed in the scenes of his vision. That explains how John was able to see the golden lampstands in Heaven, while he was on Patmos.

Rev 22:8 (ESV): I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I heard and saw them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who showed them to me,

That verse is in the last chapter of Rev. It validates what is in the first chapter of Rev, John was on Patmos when one angel showed him everything about Rev by way of a supernatural vision. Per Rev 1:12, John could see Heaven in his vision, while on Patmos. When John was "in the spirit," he was immersed with rapt attention in what he was being shown. That includes all scenes that John describes with other angels, beasts, etc.

Rev 3:10 is about the 7-year Trib that will occur in the future. It therefore applies to the current generation of Christians, we who are alive in the end times. In the news, there's been a lot of talk about offers of peace, even by Russia to the U.S., in terms of Ukraine. If the push toward world peace continues, and under President Trump, that is a top priority, then this world is trending toward 1 Th 5:2-3. It should take 1-2 years to create world peace and security. The pre-Trib rapture has a real chance of occurring in 2-3 years.

2 Tim 4:8 (ESV): Henceforth there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, will award to me on that day, and not only to me but also to all who have loved his appearing.

"That day" in that verse means the day of the pre-Trib rapture. We will experience the Judgment Seat of Christ (2 Cor 5:10) on the day of the pre-Trib rapture, That is when each of us will be given our crown.

1The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things that must soon take place.
Based on this first sentence of Rev 1, what was Jesus to do with the Revelation God gave him?

"These things" are what the angel of 21:9 showed him.
You keep saying "seven year tribulation" but never show any verses that say so.
Rev 3:10 can't be about the "seven year tribulation" because it was a promise given to the Church at Philadelphia for what they had already done and of the seven churches, only they were given that promise. They were all already in the tribulation as Rev 1:9 states. On top of that, the word "try" doesn't mean what you think it means. Here is a complete list of verses that use that word. It is mostly used of Christ being tempted, tested by Satan and the Pharisees. Used of God testing the believers faith or Satan tempting believers. Never used of unbelievers being tested. Strong's Greek: 3985. πειράζω (peirazó) -- 39 Occurrences

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

1The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things that must soon take place.
Based on this first sentence of Rev 1, what was Jesus to do with the Revelation God gave him?

"These things" are what the angel of 21:9 showed him.
You keep saying "seven year tribulation" but never show any verses that say so.
Rev 3:10 can't be about the "seven year tribulation" because it was a promise given to the Church at Philadelphia for what they had already done and of the seven churches, only they were given that promise. They were all already in the tribulation as Rev 1:9 states. On top of that, the word "try" doesn't mean what you think it means. Here is a complete list of verses that use that word. It is mostly used of Christ being tempted, tested by Satan and the Pharisees. Used of God testing the believers faith or Satan tempting believers. Never used of unbelievers being tested. Strong's Greek: 3985. πειράζω (peirazó) -- 39 Occurrences

Read the ending sentence to Rev 1:1 for the answer to your question. John was sent to Patmos to learn and write the Revelation of Jesus Christ.

Rev 1:12-13 are about the first time John was shown Heaven through the vision he was shown by one angel. That means he never left Patmos to see anything in his vision. Everything written in Rev about the Revelation of Jesus Christ was shown to John in his vision.

Daniel 9:27 defines the 7-year Trib in its original terms: “a covenant of one week.” From those original terms, it computes to seven years. When comparing the timeline created by using the corresponding verses in Matt 24, you will also arrive at a 7-year period. That chapter is the general guideline to the 7-year Trib. Rev 6-16 are the play-by-play of the 7-year Trib. The Trib begins in Rev 6:1-2 (the first seal) and it ends in Rev 16 (bowl judgments) which corresponds with Matt 24:29.

The word “tribulation” has a meaning outside of the 7-year Trib. It means the day-to-day challenges of being a Christian.

Rev 3:10 (ESV) refers to the 7-year Trib by calling it “the hour of trial.” “You” in that verse is about believers. “Those” in that verse is about unbelievers. Jesus said, “Because you have kept my word about patient endurance, I will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming on the whole world, to try those who dwell on the earth.

Jesus called the Trib “the hour of trial.” He also specified that only “those” (unbelievers) will be tried (as in a criminal trial). The 21 judgments of God’s wrath (seven seals, seven trumpets and seven bowls) will be the wrath of God that is poured out on a world of unbelievers. This trial has two goals: permanent rejection of Jesus Christ or repentance and salvation. There will be billions of unbelievers who will permanently reject Jesus Christ. The others will repent, be saved and be removed from the Trib. They will become known as the “great multitude” in Rev 7:9-17.

After John finished the letters in Rev 1-3, he wrote Rev 4-22. The first verse was Rev 4:1. That is the pre-Trib rapture of the Church straight to Heaven. Jesus will thereby fulfill his promise to believers stated in Rev 3:10, “I will keep you from the hour of trial…”

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

1The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things that must soon take place.
Based on this first sentence of Rev 1, what was Jesus to do with the Revelation God gave him?

"These things" are what the angel of 21:9 showed him.
You keep saying "seven year tribulation" but never show any verses that say so.
Rev 3:10 can't be about the "seven year tribulation" because it was a promise given to the Church at Philadelphia for what they had already done and of the seven churches, only they were given that promise. They were all already in the tribulation as Rev 1:9 states. On top of that, the word "try" doesn't mean what you think it means. Here is a complete list of verses that use that word. It is mostly used of Christ being tempted, tested by Satan and the Pharisees. Used of God testing the believers faith or Satan tempting believers. Never used of unbelievers being tested. Strong's Greek: 3985. πειράζω (peirazó) -- 39 Occurrences

I want to definitively prove the seven years of the Trib.

In the Bible, there are amounts of time that we find repeating in different verses. One example is Rev 11:1-3 (ESV: Then I was given a measuring rod like a staff, and I was told, “Rise and measure the temple of God and the altar and those who worship there, 2 but do not measure the court outside the temple; leave that out, for it is given over to the nations, and they will trample the holy city for forty-two months. 3 And I will grant authority to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.”

In the Jewish calendar, a month is 30 days. 42 months = 1,260 days. That total of months or days each equal 3.5 years.

Matt 24 is 31 verses long. Verse 15 is often referred to as "the midpoint" of the Trib in timelines of the Trib. That "midpoint" would therefore represent the ending of one period of 1,260 days (the first 3.5 years of the Trib) and the beginning of the second half of the Trib (another 1,260 days or 42 months or 3.5 years). The first half of the Trib (Matt 24:1-14) takes roughly 3.5 years to be completed. So, you have 2 x 1,260 days (2 x 3.5 years) as the length of the Trib, and that equals 84 months or seven years.

You can't escape the mathematical proof that the Trib is about seven years long. Also, since Rev 6:1-2 begin the Trib, there is no way those seven years have started because Rev 6:1-2 have not yet occurred. There are many other proofs in the Trib for what has not yet occurred, so Rev 6:1-2 are just one such proof of hundreds of such proofs. Therefore, there is no way the Trib has started, and when it does, it truly will be about seven years long.

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

I want to definitively prove the seven years of the Trib.

In the Bible, there are amounts of time that we find repeating in different verses. One example is Rev 11:1-3 (ESV: Then I was given a measuring rod like a staff, and I was told, “Rise and measure the temple of God and the altar and those who worship there, 2 but do not measure the court outside the temple; leave that out, for it is given over to the nations, and they will trample the holy city for forty-two months. 3 And I will grant authority to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.”

In the Jewish calendar, a month is 30 days.. 42 months = 1,260 days. That total of months or days each equal 3.5 years.

Matt 24 is 31 verses long. Verse 15 is often referred to as "the midpoint" of the Trib in timelines of the Trib. That "midpoint" would therefore represent the ending of one period of 1,260 (the first 3.5 years of the Trib) and the beginning of the second half of the Trib (another 1,260 days or 42 months or 3.5 years). The first half of the Trib (Matt 24:1-14) takes roughly 3.5 years to be completed. So, you have 2 x 1,260 days (2 x 3.5 years) as the length of the Trib, and that equals 84 months or seven years.

You can't escape the mathematical proof that the Trib is about seven years long. Also, since Rev 6:1-2 begin the Trib, there is no way those seven years have started because Rev 6:1-2 have not yet occurred. There are many other proofs in the Trib for what has not yet occurred, so Rev 6:1-2 are just one such proof of hundreds of such proofs. Therefore, there is no way the Trib has started, and when it does, it truly is about seven years long.

Rev 11:2-3 occur just before Matt 24:14-16 occur. The 2W (Two Witnesses) start their ministry (Rev 11:3) in Matt 24:14. The trampling of the city (Rev 11:2) occurs in Matt 24:16.

Rev 11:2-3 mention 42 months and 1,260 days. Both timeframes equal 3.5 years. They occur at the same time. That proves that the second half of the Trib is 3.5 years long. Therefore, the first half is also 3.5 years long.

 

[Ed Parenteau]

Read the ending sentence to Rev 1:1 for the answer to your question. John was sent to Patmos to learn and write the Revelation of Jesus Christ.

Rev 1:12-13 are about the first time John was shown Heaven through the vision he was shown by one angel. That means he never left Patmos to see anything in his vision. Everything written in Rev about the Revelation of Jesus Christ was shown to John in his vision.

Daniel 9:27 defines the 7-year Trib in its original terms: “a covenant of one week.” From those original terms, it computes to seven years. When comparing the timeline created by using the corresponding verses in Matt 24, you will also arrive at a 7-year period. That chapter is the general guideline to the 7-year Trib. Rev 6-16 are the play-by-play of the 7-year Trib. The Trib begins in Rev 6:1-2 (the first seal) and it ends in Rev 16 (bowl judgments) which corresponds with Matt 24:29.

The word “tribulation” has a meaning outside of the 7-year Trib. It means the day-to-day challenges of being a Christian.

Rev 3:10 (ESV) refers to the 7-year Trib by calling it “the hour of trial.” “You” in that verse is about believers. “Those” in that verse is about unbelievers. Jesus said, “Because you have kept my word about patient endurance, I will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming on the whole world, to try those who dwell on the earth.

Jesus called the Trib “the hour of trial.” He also specified that only “those” (unbelievers) will be tried (as in a criminal trial). The 21 judgments of God’s wrath (seven seals, seven trumpets and seven bowls) will be the wrath of God that is poured out on a world of unbelievers. This trial has two goals: permanent rejection of Jesus Christ or repentance and salvation. There will be billions of unbelievers who will permanently reject Jesus Christ. The others will repent, be saved and be removed from the Trib. They will become known as the “great multitude” in Rev 7:9-17.

After John finished the letters in Rev 1-3, he wrote Rev 4-22. The first verse was Rev 4:1. That is the pre-Trib rapture of the Church straight to Heaven. Jesus will thereby fulfill his promise to believers stated in Rev 3:10, “I will keep you from the hour of trial…”

2nd Sentence of verse 1, actually a half a sentence. --He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,-- What you could do, is highlight where it says one angel showed John everything.
Revelation 10:1-7 A "mighty angel" appears with a small scroll and speaks of the mystery of God.
Revelation 14:6-9 Three angels proclaim messages about the gospel, judgment, and Babylon’s fall.
Revelation 17:1 One of the seven angels shows John the vision of the great harlot (Babylon).
Revelation 21:9 One of the seven angels also shows John the New Jerusalem which is the bride of Christ-the church.
Revelation 22:6-8 The angel from 21:9 confirms the truth of the revelation and that it must soon take place and tells John not to worship him.

7 year Covenant does not equal 7 year tribulation. Who told you that?

Explain how you change the rules of grammar to make words fit your doctrine. The first phrase of Rev 3:10 is stated in the past tense. ie, something they already did. What grounds do you have to change it to the future tense? The same with the personal pronouns "you".
What authority do you have to change the nouns they replace?

Rev 3::10Because "you" have kept My command to persevere, I will also keep "you" from the hour of testing that is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth. 11I am coming soon. Hold fast to what "you" have, so that no one will take "your" crown.

Rev 2:10Do not fear what "you" are about to suffer. Behold, the devil is about to throw some of "you" into prison to test "you", and "you" will suffer tribulation for ten days. Be faithful even unto death, and I will give "you" the crown of life.

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

2nd Sentence of verse 1, actually a half a sentence. --He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,-- What you could do, is highlight where it says one angel showed John everything.
Revelation 10:1-7 A "mighty angel" appears with a small scroll and speaks of the mystery of God.
Revelation 14:6-9 Three angels proclaim messages about the gospel, judgment, and Babylon’s fall.
Revelation 17:1 One of the seven angels shows John the vision of the great harlot (Babylon).
Revelation 21:9 One of the seven angels also shows John the New Jerusalem which is the bride of Christ-the church.
Revelation 22:6-8 The angel from 21:9 confirms the truth of the revelation and that it must soon take place and tells John not to worship him.

7 year Covenant does not equal 7 year tribulation. Who told you that?

Explain how you change the rules of grammar to make words fit your doctrine. The first phrase of Rev 3:10 is stated in the past tense. ie, something they already did. What grounds do you have to change it to the future tense? The same with the personal pronouns "you".
What authority do you have to change the nouns they replace?

Rev 3::10Because "you" have kept My command to persevere, I will also keep "you" from the hour of testing that is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth. 11I am coming soon. Hold fast to what "you" have, so that no one will take "your" crown.

Rev 2:10Do not fear what "you" are about to suffer. Behold, the devil is about to throw some of "you" into prison to test "you", and "you" will suffer tribulation for ten days. Be faithful even unto death, and I will give "you" the crown of life.

Rev 10 (NIV) begins with: Then I saw another mighty angel coming down from heaven.

The phrases “I saw” and “I heard” were used to indicate what John had seen and heard in his vision, a vision that included audio. This was not a vision on some TV screen. This was real “everything” made to appear right before John.

Other angels appeared in the vision. John had been made able to see Heaven in his vision beginning in Rev 1:12-13. That set the precedent for all verses where John comments on what he saw: other angels, beasts, mountain tops, wildernesses, etc. All were seen in his vision as if they were right in front of him.

Here’s Rev 14:1-2 (NIV): Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads. 2 And I heard a sound from heaven like the roar of rushing waters and like a loud peal of thunder. The sound I heard was like that of harpists playing their harps.

The phrases “I looked” and “I heard” were about, again, what John saw and heard in his vision.

Rev 17:3 (NIV): Then the angel carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness.

The carrying away of John is preceded by “I looked” -- again, more about his vision. In the spirit means having exceptionally rapt attention on what was in his vision that it immersed John into his vision. He would be carried away into a wilderness by his extraordinary vision, where what he was looking at (being carried away) was right there before him as it progressed to a wilderness within his vision. Once again, Rev 1:12-13 prove that John was able to see Heaven from Patmos. The same is true of all things and places in his vision. In Rev 17, John saw a wilderness in the same manner: in his vision as if it were right in front of him.

Rev 1:1 (NIV): … He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,

“It’ is the Revelation of Jesus Christ. John made it crystal clear in the first verse of Rev that he was shown 100% of Rev while on Patmos, through the extraordinary vision showed to him by one angel. This extraordinary vision made everything in his vision appear right before John.

Rev 22:8 (NIV): I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I had heard and seen them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing them to me.

That verse validates everything about Rev 1:1. John never says he went to Heaven or left Patmos for any reason during his vision. He didn’t have to, as his vision was made real right in front of him, as proven in Rev 1:12-13.

Rev 3:10 and Rev 4-22 are all in the future. In Rev 3:10 (ESV), Jesus promised, “I will keep you from the hour of trial …” “I will” is future tense. It is not yet fulfilled. It will be fulfilled through Rev 4:1, the pre-Trib rapture of the Church.

Jesus promised in Rev 3:10 to keep all believers, as of Rev 4:1, from the 7-year Trib. Jesus confirmed that promise by saying that only “those who dwell on the earth” will be tried by God’s 21 judgments of wrath in Daniel’s 70th week, another phrase meaning seven years of hellish tribulation..

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

2nd Sentence of verse 1, actually a half a sentence. --He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,-- What you could do, is highlight where it says one angel showed John everything.
Revelation 10:1-7 A "mighty angel" appears with a small scroll and speaks of the mystery of God.
Revelation 14:6-9 Three angels proclaim messages about the gospel, judgment, and Babylon’s fall.
Revelation 17:1 One of the seven angels shows John the vision of the great harlot (Babylon).
Revelation 21:9 One of the seven angels also shows John the New Jerusalem which is the bride of Christ-the church.
Revelation 22:6-8 The angel from 21:9 confirms the truth of the revelation and that it must soon take place and tells John not to worship him.

7 year Covenant does not equal 7 year tribulation. Who told you that?

Explain how you change the rules of grammar to make words fit your doctrine. The first phrase of Rev 3:10 is stated in the past tense. ie, something they already did. What grounds do you have to change it to the future tense? The same with the personal pronouns "you".
What authority do you have to change the nouns they replace?

Rev 3::10Because "you" have kept My command to persevere, I will also keep "you" from the hour of testing that is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth. 11I am coming soon. Hold fast to what "you" have, so that no one will take "your" crown.

Rev 2:10Do not fear what "you" are about to suffer. Behold, the devil is about to throw some of "you" into prison to test "you", and "you" will suffer tribulation for ten days. Be faithful even unto death, and I will give "you" the crown of life.

Rev 3:10 specifies two distinct groups of people. “You” specifies believers. “Those” specifies unbelievers. The full phrase for unbelievers is “those who dwell on the earth.” That specific phrase, when used in the context of the Trib, always means “unbelievers.” A classic example is Rev 11:10 (ESV): and those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them and make merry and exchange presents, because these two prophets had been a torment to those who dwell on the earth.

Do you see the distinction between “you” and “those” in Rev 3:10? “You” are the believers who will be kept from the 7-year Trib. “Those” are unbelievers who will be left behind after the pre-Trib rapture to be tried in the hour of trial by 21 judgments of God’s wrath.

 

[Ed Parenteau]

Rev 3:10 specifies two distinct groups of people. “You” specifies believers. “Those” specifies unbelievers. The full phrase for unbelievers is “those who dwell on the earth.” That specific phrase, when used in the context of the Trib, always means “unbelievers.” A classic example is Rev 11:10 (ESV): and those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them and make merry and exchange presents, because these two prophets had been a torment to those who dwell on the earth.

Do you see the distinction between “you” and “those” in Rev 3:10? “You” are the believers who will be kept from the 7-year Trib. “Those” are unbelievers who will be left behind after the pre-Trib rapture to be tried in the hour of trial by 21 judgments of God’s wrath.

first, are you claiming the pronoun "you"(singular) in the letters to the seven churches = believers(plural)?

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

first, are you claiming the pronoun "you"(singular) in the letters to the seven churches = believers(plural)?

False. "You" is plural in Rev 3:10. Jesus was speaking to a group of believers. That verse is in future tense with "I will" in relation to "you." That means what Jesus promised applies to the current Church. Rev 3:10 and Rev 4-22 are 100% in the future.

 

[Ed Parenteau]

False. "You" is plural in Rev 3:10. Jesus was speaking to a group of believers. That verse is in future tense with "I will" in relation to "you." That means what Jesus promised applies to the current Church. Rev 3:10 and Rev 4-22 are 100% in the future.

Nope, you should have looked it up first before declaring it false. And you're adding the word "believers" to the text despite the warning of Rev 22:18I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, 19and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

As to the future tense, it's directly stated to the church in Philadelphia. "Because "you" have kept" "I will keep "you".
Here's Rev 3:10 Greek text analysis You can see with your own eyes that "you" is in the 2nd person singular. They refer to the antecedent noun "church" also in the singular.

5359 [e]	Φιλαδελφείᾳ Philadelpheia	Philadelphia	N-DFS
1577 [e]	ἐκκλησίας ekklēsias	church	N-GFS

Rev 3:10

3754 [e]	Ὅτι hoti	Because	Conj
5083 [e]	ἐτήρησας etērēsas	you have kept	V-AIA-2S
3588 [e]	τὸν ton	the	Art-AMS
3056 [e]	λόγον logon	word	N-AMS
3588 [e]	τῆς tēs	of the	Art-GFS
5281 [e]	ὑπομονῆς hypomonēs	patient endurance	N-GFS
1473 [e]	μου, mou	of Me,	PPro-G1S
2504 [e]	κἀγώ kagō	I also	PPro-N1S
4771 [e]	σε se	you	PPro-A2S
5083 [e]	τηρήσω tērēsō	will keep	V-FIA-1S
1537 [e]	ἐκ ek	out of	Prep
3588 [e]	τῆς tēs	the	Art-GFS
5610 [e]	ὥρας hōras	hour	N-GFS
3588 [e]	τοῦ tou	of the	Art-GMS
3986 [e]	πειρασμοῦ peirasmou	trial	N-GMS
3588 [e]	τῆς tēs	-	Art-GFS
3195 [e]	μελλούσης mellousēs	being about	V-PPA-GFS
2064 [e]	ἔρχεσθαι erchesthai	to come	V-PNM/P
1909 [e]	ἐπὶ epi	upon	Prep
3588 [e]	τῆς tēs	the	Art-GFS
3625 [e]	οἰκουμένης oikoumenēs	inhabited world	N-GFS
3650 [e]	ὅλης, holēs	whole,	Adj-GFS
3985 [e]	πειράσαι peirasai	to try	V-ANA
3588 [e]	τοὺς tous	those	Art-AMP
2730 [e]	κατοικοῦντας katoikountas	dwelling	V-PPA-AMP
1909 [e]	ἐπὶ epi	upon	Prep
3588 [e]	τῆς tēs	the	Art-GFS
1093 [e]	γῆς. gēs	earth.	N-GFS

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

Nope, you should have looked it up first before declaring it false. And you're adding the word "believers" to the text despite the warning of Rev 22:18I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, 19and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

As to the future tense, it's directly stated to the church in Philadelphia. "Because "you" have kept" "I will keep "you".
Here's Rev 3:10 Greek text analysis You can see with your own eyes that "you" is in the 2nd person singular. They refer to the antecedent noun "church" also in the singular.

5359 [e]	Φιλαδελφείᾳ Philadelpheia	Philadelphia	N-DFS
1577 [e]	ἐκκλησίας ekklēsias	church	N-GFS

Rev 3:10

3754 [e]	Ὅτι hoti	Because	Conj
5083 [e]	ἐτήρησας etērēsas	you have kept	V-AIA-2S
3588 [e]	τὸν ton	the	Art-AMS
3056 [e]	λόγον logon	word	N-AMS
3588 [e]	τῆς tēs	of the	Art-GFS
5281 [e]	ὑπομονῆς hypomonēs	patient endurance	N-GFS
1473 [e]	μου, mou	of Me,	PPro-G1S
2504 [e]	κἀγώ kagō	I also	PPro-N1S
4771 [e]	σε se	you	PPro-A2S
5083 [e]	τηρήσω tērēsō	will keep	V-FIA-1S
1537 [e]	ἐκ ek	out of	Prep
3588 [e]	τῆς tēs	the	Art-GFS
5610 [e]	ὥρας hōras	hour	N-GFS
3588 [e]	τοῦ tou	of the	Art-GMS
3986 [e]	πειρασμοῦ peirasmou	trial	N-GMS
3588 [e]	τῆς tēs	-	Art-GFS
3195 [e]	μελλούσης mellousēs	being about	V-PPA-GFS
2064 [e]	ἔρχεσθαι erchesthai	to come	V-PNM/P
1909 [e]	ἐπὶ epi	upon	Prep
3588 [e]	τῆς tēs	the	Art-GFS
3625 [e]	οἰκουμένης oikoumenēs	inhabited world	N-GFS
3650 [e]	ὅλης, holēs	whole,	Adj-GFS
3985 [e]	πειράσαι peirasai	to try	V-ANA
3588 [e]	τοὺς tous	those	Art-AMP
2730 [e]	κατοικοῦντας katoikountas	dwelling	V-PPA-AMP
1909 [e]	ἐπὶ epi	upon	Prep
3588 [e]	τῆς tēs	the	Art-GFS
1093 [e]	γῆς. gēs	earth.	N-GFS

Here’s Rev 3:10 (ESV): Because you have kept my word about patient endurance, I will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming on the whole world, to try those who dwell on the earth.

That verse has not been fulfilled. The “hour of trial” is the 7-year Trib because it is a 7-year trial. God’s 21 judgments of wrath occur in the Trib, to prove God is real and that He is all-powerful. Still, billions of unbelievers will continue to reject Jesus.

The great multitude of new converts in the Trib appears in Rev 7:9-17. They appear in Heaven and the first word out of their mouths is “Salvation!” They first praise God for their salvation because they were lost souls in the Trib until the 144k came along and, by the grace of God, converted that great multitude.

Rev 3:10 is about who will be kept from the Trib (believers) and who will be tried in the trial of 21 judgments of God’s wrath (unbelievers). The believers in Rev 3:10 are addressed as “you” and the unbelievers are cited as “those who dwell upon the earth,” as that phrase, in the context of the Trib, is always about unbelievers. A classic example is Rev 11:10 (ESV): and those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them and make merry and exchange presents, because these two prophets had been a torment to those who dwell on the earth.

 

[Ed Parenteau]

Here’s Rev 3:10 (ESV): Because you have kept my word about patient endurance, I will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming on the whole world, to try those who dwell on the earth.

That verse has not been fulfilled. The “hour of trial” is the 7-year Trib because it is a 7-year trial. God’s 21 judgments of wrath occur in the Trib, to prove God is real and that He is all-powerful. Still, billions of unbelievers will continue to reject Jesus.

The great multitude of new converts in the Trib appears in Rev 7:9-17. They appear in Heaven and the first word out of their mouths is “Salvation!” They first praise God for their salvation because they were lost souls in the Trib until the 144k came along and, by the grace of God, converted that great multitude.

Rev 3:10 is about who will be kept from the Trib (believers) and who will be tried in the trial of 21 judgments of God’s wrath (unbelievers). The believers in Rev 3:10 are addressed as “you” and the unbelievers are cited as “those who dwell upon the earth,” as that phrase, in the context of the Trib, is always about unbelievers. A classic example is Rev 11:10 (ESV): and those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them and make merry and exchange presents, because these two prophets had been a torment to those who dwell on the earth.

They are specific believers of specific churches in the first century. Let's see how turning "you" into indefinite "believers" of all times works out.
In Rev 3:10 Because you have kept My command to persevere, I will also keep you from the hour of testing that is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.
the test is "about to" come upon the whole world. Whereas the "believers" in Rev 2:10 the devil was "about to" throw "you" into prison to be tested. So why are they going through the testing and not the church of Philadelphia?
Rev 2:10Do not fear what you are about to suffer. Behold, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and for ten days you will have tribulation. Be faithful unto death, and I will give you the crown of life.
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The whole world of the first century was the Roman Empire, not the 21st century "whole world".
oikoumené: World, inhabited earth
Original Word: οἰκουμένη
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: oikoumené
Pronunciation: oy-kou-men'-ay
Phonetic Spelling: (oy-kou-men'-ay)
Definition: World, inhabited earth
Meaning: (properly: the land that is being inhabited, the land in a state of habitation), the inhabited world, that is, the Roman world, for all outside it was regarded as of no account.
Word Origin: From the Greek verb οἰκέω (oikeō), meaning "to dwell" or "to inhabit."
Corresponding Greek / Hebrew Entries: The Hebrew equivalent often used in similar contexts is תֵּבֵל (tebel), Strong's Hebrew 8398, which also refers to the world or the inhabited earth.

Usage: The term "oikoumené" primarily refers to the inhabited world or the known world, particularly in the context of the Roman Empire during the New Testament period. It is used to describe the earth as the dwelling place of humanity, often with an emphasis on the civilized or politically organized world.