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Where in Revelation is a Rapture Mentioned?

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The idea of multiple raptures, equated to the harvest feasts, is totally without foundation and merely wishful thinking.
Oh? It is easy to show the resurrection was on the 'first fruits'. The harvest of the church is directly equated to the wheat harvest in the parable of the wheat and tares.

Each of the feasts of Israel has specific things to be fulfilled by Yeshua. He became the 'passover lamb'. The last supper was a passover dinner on the Essene calendar that was slightly different from the Pharisee calendar. Communion is about specific cup of wine (cup of redemption) and specific bread in that dinner. It takes an indepth study of all the feasts and their fulfillment.

Let me guess, you are one of those new testament only christians that doesn't bother to study the OT foundational teachings.
 
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1st off, 'rapture' is a concept of scripture not a word used by scripture. So no where is the word rapture used in Revelation just as you won't find a concept like Calvinism in scripture.

Now John gets 'caught up' during the events before the 'things hereafter', at the start of chapter 4. At that time, the elders about the throne are already there and they are humans that have already gained their rewards, crowns, robes and such and declare Yeshua as their redeemer. That means they are not angels but members of the church already in heaven for the start of the events. They have already stood before the judgement seat of Christ where they gained those rewards and positions of authority.

For those elders to be present just as John is present, they had to have been through the rapture before/during the event that 'caught up' John. So we are not told when the rapture takes place but it is demonstrated by events.
Read thru the thread and find the answers to your post. I'm tired of repeating myself.
 
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Let me guess, you are one of those new testament only christians that doesn't bother to study the OT foundational teachings.
Wrong guess!
Having written over 500 articles on prophecy from all the Bible, I have a good understanding of what God plans for our future. We are given all the information, just a matter of placing it into a coherent and logical sequence.
The Seals, Trumpets and Bowls of Revelation lays the foundation, culminating in the Return of Jesus for His Millennial reign.
There is no rapture to heaven for us Christians mentioned anywhere. We have work to do here, that is our destiny and our honor.
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There were giants and mighty men post flood as well and we have 4 more angels that are bound at the Euphrates, not in Tartarus with the others that sinned pre-flood. There can be those of nephilim lineage even today. Lets not forget the parable of the wheat and tares. The tares are still in the field until the final harvest.
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Actually every where the term 'ben Elohyim' is used is a reference to angelic beings regardless of the location.

Yes it was angels that had sex with human women that created the giants and mighty men both pre-flood and post flood. Those events post-flood is where the pagan gods came from. That is my area of specialization, the ancient paganism that battled against Israel and was opposed by the prophets all over the OT.

There are many references in scripture that support that. Many of those references get missed by most readers. It takes serious study to understand those references. For example, the pre-flood angels that sinned were called Watchers. Watchers are referenced several places. One that most people miss is in the story of Balaam and the donkey. Balak takes Balaam to 3 different high places dedicated to 3 different members of the Baalim (plural of Baal, the entire pantheon) to try to get him to curse Israel. One of those places was the 'field of Zophim' on Mt Pisgah. Pisgah is a reference to a sex act with the goddess Asherah, ie 'mother earth'. Field is a Hebrew idiom for womb, the place the seed is sown and Zophim is the Hebrew word for Watchers. The location of that sacrifice was at the 'womb of the Watchers' of the goddess Asherah, the mother of Molech and Ashtoreth as well as grandmother of Baal. Molech, Ashtoreth and Baal were post flood nephilim born of Asherah by a post-flood Watcher. My understanding is that Watcher is one of the four angels bound at the Euphrates that gets let out in Revelation and was bound at Babel, the source of post-flood rebellion and source of the ancient paganism.

Another source of great knowledge about the actions of the pagan gods is in name meanings of cities and places in the land of Canaan. Doing a word study of the places mentioned in the book of Joshua is a good place to start. There are many references to the 'gods' having children. One city name references the 'children of lightning(one of the gods)'. Another references the 'god who scatters his seed', a reference to them having children. Even the OT Cockatrice has the 'fiery flying serpent' as his fruit/child/offspring.

All the paganism of the ancient biblical peoples followed the same group of gods but they followed them under different names/titles in different languages that got split at Babel. For example the Canaanite goddess Anath was the Egyptian goddess Neith was the Greek goddess Athena. Asthoreth of scripture was Astarte, Aphrodite of the Greeks, Diana Luciferah of the Romans... Nebo of the Babylonians was Thoth of the Egyptians was Hermes of the Greeks...

Lucifer is just a latin epithet of an ancient pagan sun god meaning 'shining one' basically equivalent to Pheobus in the Greek, an epithet of Apollo, ie Apollyon of Revelation, king of the pit. Even Baalzebub, 'lord of the flies', is a reference to the plague bringer by insect plague while Apollo means 'destroyer' and he was a destroyer by insect/rodent plague and even Molech is a reference to the same deity in the Canaanite pantheon. Lucifer isn't 'ben Elohyim' but 'ben Shachar' and Shachar was a Canaanite deity called 'Morning' who was Hadad, 'the thunderer' to the Syrians and Zeus to the Greeks.

The ancient cuneiform is full of references to the angels that lived with man pre-flood and reference the four Apkallus that lived among men post flood, the four divine rivers that watered Eden. The same sources also call Hadad (the thunderer) and Shemesh (sun god) the ajudicators, ie Satans while we have one Satan cast down 'as lightning', ie Hadad the god of lightning and thunder replaced by his son, the sun god.

Lucifer himself, the current Satan is just a half-breed Nephilim ghost not some mighty angel that rebelled. He thinks he is a god but he is in actuality only a man and a dead one at that.

May the Lord bless you and guide you into a proper and correct understanding of His Word.

2 Timothy 3:16-17........
"All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work."

I noticed that you did not use one single verse from the Bible to support your thinking.

I asked myself self WHY and self said to me.........NOTHING you said is found in the Bible.

I suggest that you spend less time on internet forum sites and conspiracy sites and more time in the Bible.

Angels, whether fallen/demons or not are "ASEXUAL" and can not mate with or reproduce. That is from the mouth of God my friend and actually is not open for debate. YOU either accept it or reject it because there is no middle ground.

Matthew 22:30......
"For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God in heaven. "

Jesus is telling us that all the people in heaven will be in a state of perfect glorification and fellowship
 
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There were giants and mighty men post flood as well and we have 4 more angels that are bound at the Euphrates, not in Tartarus with the others that sinned pre-flood. There can be those of nephilim lineage even today. Lets not forget the parable of the wheat and tares. The tares are still in the field until the final harvest.

There were TALL men then just as there are today. If you read the actual words of Genesis 6 you will see that the "Giants" already existed on the earth and were not the offspring of the marriages of demons and humans.

That thought comes from Hollywood where they have come up with another way to make a movie and to discredit the Creation of God where man is made in the likeness of God.

The "Sons of God" refers to the Godly line of Seth, the 3rd son of Adam, whose children intermarried with the daughters of men, who were the ungodly line of humans through Cain.

"Mighty Men" simply means in the Hebrew......
"Men of renown. a reputation, known of".
 
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Wrong guess!
Having written over 500 articles on prophecy from all the Bible, I have a good understanding of what God plans for our future. We are given all the information, just a matter of placing it into a coherent and logical sequence.
The Seals, Trumpets and Bowls of Revelation lays the foundation, culminating in the Return of Jesus for His Millennial reign.
There is no rapture to heaven for us Christians mentioned anywhere. We have work to do here, that is our destiny and our honor.
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The Church will be removed from the earth BEFORE the appearing of the Antichrist (2nd Thessalonians 2:7,8). There isn't one verse in the entire Bible which indicates that the Church will go through the Tribulation period.

The Church ( all believers) MUST be removed from the world before any tribulation or the introduction of the A/C can happen.

2nd Thessalonians 2:3-10 clearly tells us that the Antichrist cannot be revealed on earth until the Church is removed from the world.

2nd Thessalonians 2:7-9 states.......
"For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders."

It's as obvious as can be to any genuine believer, who is familiar with the Word of God, who "He" in verse 7 is referring to... the Holy Spirit of God!

Jesus said in John 16:8 concerning the Holy Spirit... ....
"And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment."

Where does the Word of God say that the Holy Spirit lives? 1st Corinthians 3:16 says........
"Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?"

Are you starting to get the picture? The Antichrist doesn't stand a chance with Christians in the world, because we will EXPOSE him, just as we do other servants of Satan.

IMO, 2nd Thessalonians 2:7 is incontrovertible PROOF that the Rapture must precede the Tribulation! There can be NO other Person for "He" than the Holy Spirit.

Also, the events surrounding the Second Coming of Christ are irreconcilably different with the events concerning the Rapture--solid PROOF that the Bible teaches a Pretribulation Rapture!

I marvel at those people today are claiming that the Rapture doctrine didn't exist until recent centuries so we must reject it because it is a new teaching. That is absurd!

We are reading the exact same Words of God today which the Apostle Paul penned nearly 2,000 years ago! It's not a question of history, but of faith in the precious Words of God.
 
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What we are told to watch for now, is not Jesus' Return in glory; Matthew 24:42-44 doesn't say He is referring to the Return. Believing that a 'rapture' is next is NOT the only conclusion to His warning.
What Jesus was warning us about is the next prophesied event - namely the terrible Day of the Lord's wrath, the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster, followed later by the Great Tribulation. We will know to the day, when Jesus will Return, it will happen exactly 1260 days after the Anti-Christ sits in the Temple. No need to warn us about that!
The next event is proved by Jesus quote of Isaiah 61:1-2a, where He carefully stopped before: and the Day of vengeance of God. And the 100 + other prophesies describing this Day, that will come unexpectedly and when He won't be seen. Psalms 11:4-6

I know what a difficult thing it would be for you to renounce the rapture. Your family and friends would think you had gone crazy!
But think of how much the Lord will honor you for overcoming false teachings! For believing the real truth of His Word and being ready to stand firm in your faith during what must come.

The next event on God's prophetic time clock is the Rapture of believers.

Matt. 24:42-44 is about the 2nd Coming of Christ and not the Rapture, hence YOUR confusion.

Those verses referrer back to verse #36 where Jesus warns about setting dates concerning His 2nd Coming.

Again, just to make sure some people (YOU) did not get this wrong, He said in verse #29.......
"Immediately after the TRIBULATION of those days..............
(31) "And He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet and they shall gather together the elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other".

#36......BUT of that day (Verse 31)......knoweth no man, no not he angels of heaven, but my Father only".

That my friend is the 2nd Coming of Christ......Not the Rapture.
 
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The Bible tell us that Jesus will come as a thief AFTER the 6TH Vial of the Wrath of God Revelation 16:14-17...

The Christians ALIVE and REMAIN at that moment will be caught up to meet Jesus in the AIR [1 Thessalonians 4:14-17]only few moment before that the 7 TH Vial of the Wrath of God will be poured out...

I like to see how you will try to rub that Bible verse under the carpet.

Note ,even with that information it is still impossible to know precisely the day and the hour that Jesus will come... only the 'season'.

Revelation 16:14-17 KJV
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

God bless you my brother. I do not know how to rub any Scriptures under a rug. I do however know how to do Bible exegesis and expound and explain the Word of God.

Now, you just said that Jesus comes again after the 6th Vial judgment. That is a Yes and also a NO.

The 6th Vial of verse 12........"And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates..............".

That is an encouragement to the surviving believers who have come to Christ and refused the mark of the A/C to be watchful and alert and stay faithful during that time of persecution.

Verse 16 then tells us that the nations are brought together at Armageddon.

Then verse 17 says.......
"And the SEVENTH angel poured out his vial..........."

So you can clearly see that it is AFTER the 7th Vial that the Lord Jesus returns at His Second Coming.

Now then....other than your own imagination, where in the Scriptures do we find 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 as the point of the Rapture that you are espousing.

There is not ONE single verse that places 1 Thess. 4:14-17 at Armageddon my dear friend. NOT ONE. Now there are people (YOU) who read into Rev. 16 what they want to happen but that is not what the Bible says.

Rev. 16:18-21 is all about the destruction of the great city....Babylon.

Read it for yourself in 16:19........
"And the GREAT CITY WAS DIVIDED INTO THREE PARTS AND THE CITIES OF THE NATION FELL, AND GREAT BABLON CAME IN REMEMBERANCE BEFORE GOD".

Chapter 18 then goes into detail to explain that destruction of the city of Babylon.
 
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Read thru the thread and find the answers to your post. I'm tired of repeating myself.

I wasn't aware that I asked any questions. I gave answers.

Personally Revelation and end time prophecy is not my area of expertise but it is my mother's area and it has been a topic of conversation in my family my entire life. She is an author of many books on prophecy/Revelation and I sometimes attend some of the prophecy conferences with her to man her book table. My area of expertise is the ancient paganism in opposition to Israel and Yah.

My area of understanding of Revelation is in the identification of the players in Revelation by their correlation with the ancient pagan gods.
 
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God bless you my brother. I do not know how to rub any Scriptures under a rug. I do however know how to do Bible exegesis and expound and explain the Word of God.

Now, you just said that Jesus comes again after the 6th Vial judgment. That is a Yes and also a NO.

The 6th Vial of verse 12........"And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates..............".

That is an encouragement to the surviving believers who have come to Christ and refused the mark of the A/C to be watchful and alert and stay faithful during that time of persecution.

Verse 16 then tells us that the nations are brought together at Armageddon.

Then verse 17 says.......
"And the SEVENTH angel poured out his vial..........."

So you can clearly see that it is AFTER the 7th Vial that the Lord Jesus returns at His Second Coming.

Revelation 16:15-17 clearly show that Jesus say Behold i come as a thief in verse 15.Verse 16 tell us that at this moment the armies will all have been assembled at Armageddon ....then after in verse 17 it said that the 7th vial is poured out...Which prove my point that Jesus come as a thief only few moment before that the 7 th vial is poured out.
Now then....other than your own imagination, where in the Scriptures do we find 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 as the point of the Rapture that you are espousing.
There is not ONE single verse that places 1 Thess. 4:14-17 at Armageddon my dear friend. NOT ONE.
I said -few moment before the 7 Th Vial will be poured out-....
1 Thessalonians 4:15 tell us that the events mentioned in 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17[Resurrection and rapture to meet Jesus in the AIR ] are TIED TO THE COMING OF JESUS.
1 Thessalonians 4:15
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

Now there are people (YOU) who read into Rev. 16 what they want to happen but that is not what the Bible says.

Rev. 16:18-21 is all about the destruction of the great city....Babylon.

Read it for yourself in 16:19........
"And the GREAT CITY WAS DIVIDED INTO THREE PARTS AND THE CITIES OF THE NATION FELL, AND GREAT BABLON CAME IN REMEMBERANCE BEFORE GOD".

Chapter 18 then goes into detail to explain that destruction of the city of Babylon...
The 7th Vial is not limited only to the Judgment of God upon Great Babylon,it will include all what is described in Revelation 16:17-21 and will end with the Battle of Armageddon

Revelation 16:17-21
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: AND great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.

21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.
 
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The Church will be removed from the earth BEFORE the appearing of the Antichrist (2 Thessalonians 2:7-8)
I do agree that the 'HE' referred to is the Holy Spirit.
However the fact we have God's Spirit within us as Christians, does not mean we must be removed as the Restraining Hand will be. The result of that restraint being removed, is that the Anti-Christ is revealed for what he is. We Christians remain on earth doing God's work, as is our destiny.
There isn't one verse in the entire Bible which indicates that the Church will go through the Tribulation period.
This statement is an outright untruth.
I have posted before Daniel 7:25, Revelation 13:7, that both say the holy people are on earth when the Anti-Christ attacks them. There is only one People of God; they don't say Jews or recent converts, but God's people- the Saints of the Most High. All of us true, righteous believing Christians WILL be there, we must keep strong in our faith during the testing times ahead.
Confirmed by Revelation 12:8-17, about the 'woman', who we are plainly told in verse 17, means the Christian people.

It is you Major1, that needs to overcome your belief in the false rapture doctrine. This belief will cause many to fall away from their faith, when they find themselves still here as disasters happen around them.
But as you and millions of others who are locked into the rapture theory won't change, I can only pray that on the Day of the Lord's wrath, your faith in God will remain firm and I look forward to meeting you in the holy Land.
 
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I do agree that the 'HE' referred to is the Holy Spirit.
However the fact we have God's Spirit within us as Christians, does not mean we must be removed as the Restraining Hand will be. The result of that restraint being removed, is that the Anti-Christ is revealed for what he is. We Christians remain on earth doing God's work, as is our destiny.

This statement is an outright untruth.
I have posted before Daniel 7:25, Revelation 13:7, that both say the holy people are on earth when the Anti-Christ attacks them. There is only one People of God; they don't say Jews or recent converts, but God's people- the Saints of the Most High. All of us true, righteous believing Christians WILL be there, we must keep strong in our faith during the testing times ahead.
Confirmed by Revelation 12:8-17, about the 'woman', who we are plainly told in verse 17, means the Christian people.

It is you Major1, that needs to overcome your belief in the false rapture doctrine. This belief will cause many to fall away from their faith, when they find themselves still here as disasters happen around them.
But as you and millions of others who are locked into the rapture theory won't change, I can only pray that on the Day of the Lord's wrath, your faith in God will remain firm and I look forward to meeting you in the holy Land.

Not so my friend. I am in a really good place.

As for your idea Daniel 7:25 IS NOT referring to the church as it is not in existence and you should know that brother. No one should have to point that out to you.

Not only that...the word "SAINT" is referring to Daniels people, the Jews and not Christians as Christians were not called such UNTIL Christ came and died to establish the Church.

Again...3rd time..........the "SAINTS" in Rev. 13:7 is speaking to those who have been saved during the Tribulation AFTER the Rapture has removed the Church.

The End times along with Daniel and the Revelation is really not that hard to understand. I mean no disrespect but your attempt to make them fit into your frame of thinking which is so obviously wrong that it is staggering.

Just the idea that I have to correct you on Daniel 7:25 with the word "SAINT" which you are making out to be Christians is to me very telling.

If you will stay of the internet for a while, take your Bible and study Daniel 2, Daniel 7 and Revelation 13, you will see that they fit perfectly when the pre-tribulation Rapture is seen.
 
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Jesus warned: Take care that you are not deceived. Matthew 24:4
Paul said: The time will come when people will not stand sound teaching, each will follow their own fancies and listen to anyone who speaks pleasant things. They will stop their ears to the truth and turn to fables. 2 Timothy 4:3-4
These prophesies have come to pass.

You are absolutely correct which is why myself and others are debating with you and your false teachings.

YOU have been terribly deceived and again, if you would spend as much time reading the Scriptures and doing the study instead of posting on the web sites such as this, you would come to see how wrong you are.
 
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but I can assure you that the Rapture is Biblical.
The rapture [caught up to meet Jesus in the CLOUDS in the AIR]is Biblical....The falsehood claim is made by those saying that it will happen BEFORE the tribulation and that it is a ticket to Heaven .

The rapture is only a caught up [of the believers] to meet Jesus in the Clouds in the AIR UNTO the Coming of Jesus as a thief who will happen few moment before that the 7th Vial will be poured out ...Revelation 16:15-17
Revelation 16:15
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

1 Thessalonians 4:14-17
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
 
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As for your idea Daniel 7:25 IS NOT referring to the church as it is not in existence and you should know that brother. No one should have to point that out to you.
Daniel 7:23-25 is plainly a prophecy about the end times.
God's Holy people are on earth then and they confront the Anti-Christ. Saying that God's holy Saints are not the church, [assembly, congregation, ekkelasia, etc] shows the depth of deception you are in.
Not only that...the word "SAINT" is referring to Daniels people, the Jews and not Christians as Christians were not called such UNTIL Christ came and died to establish the Church.
This idea is a complete misinterpretation of the main message of the Bible.
God did choose Israel, but gentiles of faith were always able to join them. Jesus came to give the Jews their last chance and when they rejected Him, now it is people from every tribe, race, nation and language, who will inherit the Kingdom. Revelation 5:9-10
Again...3rd time..........the "SAINTS" in Rev. 13:7 is speaking to those who have been saved during the Tribulation AFTER the Rapture has removed the Church.
Third time: this idea is not supported by scripture.
Revelation 12:6-17 describes what happens to all the Christians, who divide into two groups, as Daniel 11:32 describes.
We will all be living in the holy Land by that time; NOT in heaven, as you imagine, and when the Anti-Christ comes, Zechariah 14:1-2, it will be those who remain firm in their faith, who will be taken to a place of safety on earth for the 1260 days until Jesus Returns.
I can not agree with you Frank It is of course your choice as to what you believe, but I can assure you that the Rapture is Biblical.
THE RAPTURE TO HEAVEN OF LIVING CHRISTIANS IS NOWHERE TO BE FOUND IN THE BIBLE.
 
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Again...3rd time..........the "SAINTS" in Rev. 13:7 is speaking to those who have been saved during the Tribulation
The Tribulation will not be a time when the sinners will turn to God....
Thus your theory that the SAINTS refers to NEW believers that will turn to God during the tribulation falls flat on your face.
There will be two kind of Christians during those time ,those that will apostatize long before the imposition of the mark by the Beast and the Christians who will remain faithful to death. That is the way God have decided that the selection of true Christians will be made during the tribulation , no Christians will be removed to Heaven.

[Revelation 9 -- [5th trumpet/first woe 5 months of a striking pain upon those who have not the seal of God in their foreheads..] five months later --- [6th trumpet/second woe; 1/3 of humanity will be killed by the second woe]
Revelation 9:20
20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk: 21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

And some years later during the 7th vial---
Revelation 16:20
21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail;for the plague thereof was exceeding great.
 
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